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Maybe people are a little confused about this.
Apple , like other large corporations use the current internet backbone and hubs for data transfers. I think this article is implying Apple want's to build out it's own backbone for data between it's data centers.

That's a large infrastructure job there.
 
I agree, though I do like that Apple at least implies that they don't mine your icloud data to sell to advertisers. Still, 5GB fills up too quick and leaves the users with a negative experience when it does.

I think the tiers should be:
20GB - Free
200GB - $12/year
1TB - $50/year

Do you know how much redundant storage costs? I'm sure Apple has priced it out, and the prorated "$0" 5GB makes sense--they probably cost Apple $10-20/year/user to maintain (on average). The 20GB+ tiers are prorated against this.

For example, in my business, I price out a slice of our private cloud storage for our clients at about $3 per GB/year. A 2TB rack drive for an off-the-shelf Lenovo D430 rack is about ~$300/drive. Would need 2 of them at minimum.
 
Google "wants you" to put your photo library in the cloud so they can harvest it for data and sell it.

Apple is giving you the option to put your photo library in the cloud. You can pay to enjoy this feature or you can choose not to use it.

The choice is yours. I don't see how that's a smack in the face.

Charging $0.99 for 20GB when their competitor offers 15GB for free and 100GB for $2 is a smack in the face. Apple has plenty of cash. They can afford it; don't act like they can't.
 
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Charging $0.99 for 20GB when their competitor offers 15GB for free and 100GB for $2 is a smack in the face. Apple has plenty of cash. They can afford it; don't act like they can't.

I think you missed the authors point.

Google makes it's money by using your personal information. That is how they make money. It's part of their bottom line.

That's why you get cheeper storage from Google.
 
Charging $0.99 for 20GB when their competitor offers 15GB for free and 100GB for $2 is a smack in the face. Apple has plenty of cash. They can afford it; don't act like they can't.

So just because "they can afford it" means they should do it? I'm sorry, but that's just the same as saying, "A billionaire (ceo of your mortgage company) should pay for my mortgage, they can afford it" or more broadly "Any company that makes lots of money, should charge less for the services I use of theirs."

I'm sorry, but I'm not quite sure you fully understand what a businesses purpose is. Your comment hints of "We are the 99%". I don't know about you, but I'm working towards being the 1%. Btw, if you live in America, you are the 1% of the world. Perspective helps.
 
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Apple is building a high-speed content delivery network and plans to upgrade its data centers with more of its own equipment in an effort to better compete with Amazon, Google, Microsoft and other cloud service providers, according to Bloomberg. The improved infrastructure will enable Apple to provide faster delivery of cloud-based content and services such as iCloud, iTunes and Siri.

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The high-speed network may be a prerequisite for Apple's much-rumored streaming music and TV services, the first of which is expected to be announced at Apple's annual Worldwide Developers Conference today in San Francisco. Efficient content delivery will be important for both services, especially if the company plans to fulfill its ambitious goal of signing up 100 million subscribers for Apple Music.

The foundation of Apple's high-speed data network will reportedly be long-haul pipes connecting the company's data centers in California, Nevada, North Carolina and Oregon. Apple has also been planning ways to send data via fiber lines at hundreds of gigabits per second, as opposed to solely using off-the-shelf technology rented from third-party vendors, according to the report.Apple will not move away from using Hewlett-Packard servers, Cisco ethernet switches and other off-the-shelf technology entirely, but the iPhone maker has been in talks with companies that could help design its own equipment that would be produced by third-party manufacturers. The new gear would mainly be used in Apple's future data centers in Arizona, Ireland, Denmark and elsewhere.

Apple was the seventh-largest cloud infrastructure spender in 2014, investing $1 billion towards its data centers around the world last year according to research firm Analysys, matching the billions of dollars spent by Amazon, Google, Microsoft and other rivals in the cloud storage and services race. iCloud was introduced in October 2011 and is available on Mac, iPad, iPhone and other Apple products.

Article Link: Apple Rumored to Build High-Speed Network for Faster Cloud Services
APPLE PLEASE DO THIS. sometimes when I use iCloud (which is often) feel like I'm using aol.com dial up.
 
They better be because my nexus 5 seems so fast syncing all the stuff like calendar, google keep, docs, contacts etc when my iphone 6 feels not as fast as the nexus in term of syncing data across device and laptops.

I've never been aware of the milliseconds taken to sync data...
How on earth do you claim to?? Lol, are you saying when you send an email using gmail, it shows up immediately in your outbox on your Nexus, but NOT your iPhone? When you add a new contact or calendar event on your PC, it shows immediately on your Nexus, but not on your iPhone? Sounds like a crock to me... I don't believe you in the slightest. I work in the cell phone industry & troubleshoot mobile phone issues DAILY. I have literally never ever ever ever even heard anybody else claim such a thing. Sync is a teeny tiny little background action that nobody is even aware of happening. I struggle to think of how you could even time it. I know when I'm using either my iPhone or iPad & have the other present as well, I'd consider the amount of time for any action to be mirrored on the other device to be virtually simultaneous.
I don't think I've seen anybody actually "sync" data in a measurable amount of time since iPods went out of fashion, about five years ago. I don't even understand in what way you're using the term here.
I suppose, when you initially set up a phone- it "syncs".... after that, it is simply "in sync", it stays in sync by a per transaction basis.
Are you wiping both your phones every single morning, then syncing all data again??? What are you even talking about?
 
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Charging $0.99 for 20GB when their competitor offers 15GB for free and 100GB for $2 is a smack in the face. Apple has plenty of cash. They can afford it; don't act like they can't.

Apple can afford to give you something for nothing so they should? That's an awfully entitled perspective to take.

Keep in mind, Google profits from you sharing your data with them, so they're being compensated and you are paying for it, just not in the ways you think.
 
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Like Tim said, if something is free, it's generally because your data is being sold.

I'd rather pay for a service and know it's secure, than get something for free and know I'm being ripped off.

But each to their own.
I start to feel like a parrot. I pay for a premium smartphone, I pay double premium for the memory in it, I pay for a third time to use the cloud services. Then that last part - let's face it - still doesn't (always) work as desired.

I do love my Apple products and I will defend that they're superior to anything else on the market. But something is not right.

Like Tim said, if something is free, it's generally because your data is being sold.
Absolutely right. However, like Larry said, don't be evil.
 
Google "wants you" to put your photo library in the cloud so they can harvest it for data and sell it.

Apple is giving you the option to put your photo library in the cloud. You can pay to enjoy this feature or you can choose not to use it.

The choice is yours. I don't see how that's a smack in the face.

Its amazing how slow people are to grasp this concept. Google don't sell data they sell ads. So do Apple.
 
Its amazing how slow people are to grasp this concept. Google don't sell data they sell ads. So do Apple.
Good point! Apple DOES offer targeted ads with iADs. Where does it get the target data?

And why doesn't Apple allow me to pay the 20GB on a yearly base? That would ease the anger a bit as every month I get 2 mails from icloud. One telling me my subscription is about to end, another one that my plastic has been swiped.
 
Its amazing how slow people are to grasp this concept. Google don't sell data they sell ads. So do Apple.

Don't for a second think that Google isn't using the meta-data from photos (GPS coordinates from where pictures were taken, when they were taken, what phone/camera they were taken on, etc.) and other similar info to target the ads they show. They know if you vacation in Europe or prefer to party in Cancun. They know if you use an Android phone to take your pics or an expensive DSLR. All of that data helps them put the right ads in front of your eyes. So even if they don't directly sell our data, the are better able to sell access to us to advertisers based on what they know about us.
 
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Id say it should be at least 10 GB per device you attache to your Apple ID and even then it would be bordering not enough. Now 5 Gb i can use only with email and couple of device backups.
 
I've never been aware of the milliseconds taken to sync data...
How on earth do you claim to?? Lol, are you saying when you send an email using gmail, it shows up immediately in your outbox on your Nexus, but NOT your iPhone? When you add a new contact or calendar event on your PC, it shows immediately on your Nexus, but not on your iPhone? Sounds like a crock to me... I don't believe you in the slightest. I work in the cell phone industry & troubleshoot mobile phone issues DAILY. I have literally never ever ever ever even heard anybody else claim such a thing. Sync is a teeny tiny little background action that nobody is even aware of happening. I struggle to think of how you could even time it. I know when I'm using either my iPhone or iPad & have the other present as well, I'd consider the amount of time for any action to be mirrored on the other device to be virtually simultaneous.
I don't think I've seen anybody actually "sync" data in a measurable amount of time since iPods went out of fashion, about five years ago. I don't even understand in what way you're using the term here.
I suppose, when you initially set up a phone- it "syncs".... after that, it is simply "in sync", it stays in sync by a per transaction basis.
Are you wiping both your phones every single morning, then syncing all data again??? What are you even talking about?

I bet he's talking about the time it takes an item added to one Apple device (for example, a picture taken on an iPhone, or a new calendar entry on an iPhone) to show up on his other Apple devices (for example, an iPad or an iMac.) This can take minutes to complete sometimes. There are all sorts of possible reasons why this can take a while - and the compute power and network throughput of Apple's iCloud infrastructure could be a factor.

Anyway, to change topics - I'd like to know what OS is running on these HP servers Apple is using. I suspect they are all running Darwin, the BSD-based UNIX core of OS X.
 
I think you missed the authors point.

Google makes it's money by using your personal information. That is how they make money. It's part of their bottom line.

That's why you get cheeper storage from Google.
That still makes no sense relative to the small amount of free storage Apple provides. Focusing on Google is a cheap and easy cop out. There are other services out there that provide storage and they are more generous with their free storage and less expensive than Apple with their paid storage. None of those companies, including Google, is sitting on a $180 billion cash stockpile. Apple gives a small amount of free storage because they can. Their customers accept it.
 
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Do you know how much redundant storage costs? I'm sure Apple has priced it out, and the prorated "$0" 5GB makes sense--they probably cost Apple $10-20/year/user to maintain (on average). The 20GB+ tiers are prorated against this.

For example, in my business, I price out a slice of our private cloud storage for our clients at about $3 per GB/year. A 2TB rack drive for an off-the-shelf Lenovo D430 rack is about ~$300/drive. Would need 2 of them at minimum.

If Apple charged cost + small margin on everything, we wouldn't be having this conversation. They don't though. Looking at my iPhone, iPad, and Mac, I have close to 15GB of apps. Some free, some paid, some IAP. Apple hosts all of those, and certainly doesn't charge me nor the developer based on cost of hosting them. Some of that is subsidized by the high-priced apps paying a 30% cut to Apple, some of that is subsidized by the high cost of my devices. Cloud storage, especially for photos, should be similar. In theory, more iCloud storage would translate to more people paying for premium apps that use iCloud, and more iDevices sold.
 
Apple still relies on non-OS X operating systems lol.

Not surprising; I believe Microsoft uses Linux in the DCs, and plenty of Google employees use Macs (as shown in pictures of their offices, there are probably plenty who use Windows too).
 
If Apple charged cost + small margin on everything, we wouldn't be having this conversation. They don't though. Looking at my iPhone, iPad, and Mac, I have close to 15GB of apps. Some free, some paid, some IAP. Apple hosts all of those, and certainly doesn't charge me nor the developer based on cost of hosting them. Some of that is subsidized by the high-priced apps paying a 30% cut to Apple, some of that is subsidized by the high cost of my devices. Cloud storage, especially for photos, should be similar. In theory, more iCloud storage would translate to more people paying for premium apps that use iCloud, and more iDevices sold.

Or to put it another way - when you buy an iPhone etc you're not just buying the hardware (if you were you'd be getting ripped off), you're buying the whole user experience.
 
are you aware its only .99 a month for 20 Gigs

Are you american? That sounds very american. It's just .99 a month for 20 gigs! It's just 10 a month for streaming music! It's just X a month for netflix! It's just X a month for... Oh poor mainstream artists and damn free Spotify!! Whatever. But then... Nearly HALF of American households would not be able to afford a $400 emergency without borrowing money



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rd-400-emergency-without-borrowing-money.html

If you applaud someone for charging you for something, you're just that word that starts with S and ends with a D, and has tupi in the middle.
 
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Don't for a second think that Google isn't using the meta-data from photos (GPS coordinates from where pictures were taken, when they were taken, what phone/camera they were taken on, etc.) and other similar info to target the ads they show. They know if you vacation in Europe or prefer to party in Cancun. They know if you use an Android phone to take your pics or an expensive DSLR. All of that data helps them put the right ads in front of your eyes. So even if they don't directly sell our data, the are better able to sell access to us to advertisers based on what they know about us.
And is there something wrong with that? If they're not giving my data to 3rd parties what's the issue? If I'm going to see ads I'd much rather see ones for things I'm interested in.
 
That might be very nice for many of you in the US, but, at least in Europe, the big problem is local. While in Austria I have DL speeds around 73 Mbps, the fastest I can get in Italy (which has the slowest internet in Europe) is 2 Mbps (that's TWO!). Nothing Apple can do will loosen that bottleneck (unless they fix Italy's internet - which, with their money, they probably could easily).
 
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