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Apple Rumored to Build High-Speed Network for Faster Cloud Services

KillerTree said:
And Apple makes money off hardware. I wish people would stop giving Apple a pass and demand comparable services.
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You wish people would stop giving Apple a pass and demand that they give something away for free?

Think about that for a minute... you sound a though you are extremely dissatisfied that someone else isn't doing something for you, in exchange for you doing nothing at all.
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
Are you aware that .99 a month is not free? OP said "free" not relatively inexpensive. But reality is, when you consider everything Apple wants users to use iCloud for that was once the domain of roomy hard drives 20GB is really a pittance.

Here is how it should work (similar to how BMW offers free regular maintenance, in addition to warranty, for 4 years):

Buy a Mac - get 20GB free storage for 4 years for each one
Buy an iOS device - get 50% the hard storage on your device for 2 years; i.e., 16GB iPhone gets 8GB, 32GB gets 16GB, etc., etc.

Let's understand one thing: iCloud is meant to serve Apple's interests and products. It's not even a free standing program. It's purpose is to keep people as tied to Apple as possible so it's in Apple's interest to encourage users to actually want to use it.

The cost is baked into the price and gives all users a reasonable amount of starter storage. 5GB is useless and I'm just not interested in another monthly fee. To paraphrase Sen. Everett Dirksen, $120 on cloud storage here, $120 on music service there and pretty soon all those $120 annual fees starts to add up to real money. And lets not forget it's all rented space unlike a personal hard drive and owned music.
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Sounds fine but hiding costs by inflating hardware prices for everyone, even those who won't use the service, doesn't mean you aren't paying for it.

Really we are talking about a relatively inexpensive service which is completely unnecessary anyway, so the car analogy isnt great since the car actually requires maintenance.
 
Apple...............

You can't even stream an Apple Event without a MASSIVE Fail.

Even being unhelpful, (as always) and limiting your stream to Apple devices (which is being an arse to start with) you fail again and again.

How come Google can live stream to the world, without such restrictions, and yet, Apple, again you fail time after time.

Such a shame :( You are supposed to be the best, but come across a sa company that cannot get anything right. :(
 
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RickInHouston said:
You are talking to a brick wall at this forum. They can't wrap their head around this concept. Tim Cook standing at the podium saying the same thing doesn't help, either. He should be ashamed.
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Hmmmm....
Well, I'm sure you realize there are SOME fine distinctions.
I have "personalized" ad services disabled on BOTH platforms, but certainly worry a LOT more about Google. We all all know iAds is less than 1% of Apple's bottom line & not a big deal. Whereas, AdSense is close to 100% of Google's bread & butter, and they're MUCH more into data collection.
Maybe I read a bit too much Douglas Rushkoff (preeminent researcher on media's effects on society), but I think we'll see the day when "brainwashing" is simple, through these means.
Scenario:
"Ad/Influence" peddler tracks somebody completely... right when they are at their most blissful, two hours after work got out & 10 minutes into their Wed night gelato (which they monetized by suggesting a different place & popping up a digital coupon), subtlely reinforce that the current mayor is doing a fine job of keeping them safe & urge them to support him. The feelings of peace and safety that the delicious gelato are bathing them in strengthen the notion... Voila! Mind control.
Haha... that's a silly little scenario, but obviously Google could deliver on something like that currently & the power and ability to do the like will only increase dramatically over time.
 
McDLT said:
Sounds fine but hiding costs by inflating hardware prices for everyone, even those who won't use the service, doesn't mean you aren't paying for it.

Really we are talking about a relatively inexpensive service which is completely unnecessary anyway, so the car analogy isnt great since the car actually requires maintenance.
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Sure car's require maintenance but increasingly Apple is trying to make OS X and iOS more iCloud dependent. Also just because a company buries the cost in the selling price doesn't mean the price increases. It just means the cost is accounted for in the item vs. being offered free. It's no different than the former iWorks apps being included free in every new iOS and Mac. Those apps are also available "at cost" for others -- they are not free apps.

So when BMW includes the maintenance it's a convenience to owners but also gets owners into a BMW dealer for a simple oil change vs them taking it to Jiffy Lube. The net effect is that more owners will become dependent on their dealer and unlike to go elsewhere when the warranty and free main. expire OR they decide to just buy a new one.

The same concept here. Apple supplies users a decent amount of space for a limited time. It's a gateway. The time expires and users either buy a new machine (and a new lease on free space) or they buy iCloud space or they go though the pain of moving it elsewhere.
 
EDIT: posted something on wrong thread... WWDC post is too long and clicked on the comments for the article under it. Sorry
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
Sure car's require maintenance but increasingly Apple is trying to make OS X and iOS more iCloud dependent. Also just because a company buries the cost in the selling price doesn't mean the price increases. It just means the cost is accounted for in the item vs. being offered free. It's no different than the former iWorks apps being included free in every new iOS and Mac. Those apps are also available "at cost" for others -- they are not free apps.

So when BMW includes the maintenance it's a convenience to owners but also gets owners into a BMW dealer for a simple oil change vs them taking it to Jiffy Lube. The net effect is that more owners will become dependent on their dealer and unlike to go elsewhere when the warranty and free main. expire OR they decide to just buy a new one.

The same concept here. Apple supplies users a decent amount of space for a limited time. It's a gateway. The time expires and users either buy a new machine (and a new lease on free space) or they buy iCloud space or they go though the pain of moving it elsewhere.
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I see your point. Wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
Gasu E. said:
Then why don't you tell us what you think Google is doing to make money off this. Because they aren't doing it out of charity.
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No one claimed they're offering free services for altruistic reasons. They aggregate data and build anonymous profiles to sell ad space to advertisers. The advertisers specify the type of consumer they want to see their ads (male, 18-34, athletic, rock and country music, etc.). Google serves up the ad and the advertiser has no idea who the males actually are that fit the targeted profile.

It's the same thing that Apple does. Apple has over 400 targeting options, 135 in iTunes alone. So when I suggested the poster stop embarrassing himself by posting bad info, I meant just that. Google doesn't sell anyone's info to the highest bidder. Besides, it makes absolutely no business sense for Google to sell someone's data. They would be out of business in short order. Sell the data and no one needs Google for advertising.
 
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Kajje said:
Did you know at Jaguar they don't use actual Jaguars to transport the cars to the dealers?
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The same happens at Telsa. Not that I don't want a Tesla car--I do. But I always find it ironic seeing a Telsa being towed on the gas-powered flatbed (owned by Telsa) for maintenance and whatnot.
 
ChrisCW11 said:
After today, Apple TV streaming is vaporware...for another year at least.
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Bringing Apps the to AppleTV platform, I agree. But launching the TV service at WWDC wouldn't make sense--that deserves an event by itself, not tacked on to a developer conference.
 
5GB iCloud base service and 16GB flash on iDevices are two things that Apple has held on to for too long.

10GB free would be very reasonable for basic iCloud, and they could even keep the $1/20GB format for those who wish to double it for a low price.

32GB base model iPhones and iPads should have been the standard a couple of years ago, last year for sure. Apple making it a point to say that download sizes for iOS updates will be smaller hints to me that they plan on keeping the paltry 16GB option on this year's new phones. I hope that's not the case.
 
Gasu E. said:
Then why don't you tell us what you think Google is doing to make money off this. Because they aren't doing it out of charity.
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Simple. They use some of the information gathered about you to produce a fairly vague ad profile which, from what I've seen, doesn't seem to try all that hard to be accurate, to more effectively target advertising to the demographic their ad clients wish to target. This targeting can be turned off if you have a Google account and you will receive generic ads.

Google's core business is advertising, not search, and certainly not selling your data.
 
A search revealed some old (from 2011) job postings from Apple that reference Solaris and AIX. But all the current job postings Apple have that reference "iCloud" only mention UNIX and/or Linux in a generic manner.

Thinking about it more, it makes sense to me that they'd use a distro like RHEL or similar, rather than Darwin, due to the support such a distro would have for running on enterprise hardware like HP servers, including device drivers, while Darwin, being a UNIX that probably could run parts of the iCloud infrastructure, was never intended to run on HP servers or in such a distributed environment.
 
I'd love to use Apple's services more, but it's not the price or the speed that's keeping me away from them. Improving infrastructure is great, but the basic services have severe faults. iCloud email still doesn't support customer-owned domains or multiple accounts under one banner, and its anti-spam is weak. iCloud Drive's syncing is unreliable and harder to use than Dropbox.
 
I love the way some people around here are trying to defend Apple's measly offering of 5GB for free per month and 'just 99c per month for a whole lot extra'. Guys, I just spend $999 on a phone FFS. Come on, Apple. You're better than this. Give us the first 100GB free. Most of your customers won't use that much and we'll repay you by buying devices from you for the next 20 years. Fair deal.
 
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