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With phablets, mini tablets have lost much of their value. There's simply not enough advantage to buying a separate, slightly larger tablet that cannot be used as a phone.
Well, it depends. You cannot really use it like a phone, because it lacks the built-in circuitry of a phone offering this convenience in making calls. But you can use as a phone through software. And at much lower cost than a normal phone.
 
A 7.0" iPad would not be a phone, as it would not fit in front and back pants pockets, or shirt pockets.
Right, iPhone is basically a small iPad (nano). But it wouldn't work the other way around if you wanted a phone as well since an iPad can't make phone calls.
 
Sure! I totally understand that.

But there are clearly benefits using a larger-screened tablet versus a smaller-screened phone.

A bigger tablet gives a more enjoyable movie-watching experience, easier to read on, bigger apps, etc.

Those benefits are still there even if you don't want to purchase it. :)

There are benefits, but they're not great enough. The declining iPad mini sales numbers support that.

No one is disputing the mini has a larger display. The problem is it's not big enough to justify buying as a second device.

It's undeniable how the introduction of phablets in 2014 corresponds with the decline of mini tablet sales. This is not just for Apple. It is for all Android tablet manufacturers as well.
 
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Anyone with a semi-analytical mind could tell you the iPad mini is dead.

With phablets, mini tablets have lost much of their value. There's simply not enough advantage to buying a separate, slightly larger tablet that cannot be used as a phone.

Even more nuts are people suggesting a 7.9" iPad Pro. Do people not look at the usability aspect at all? Who the heck wants to create content or do business on a 7.9" device?
Except in reality, a phablet is not a substitute for a 7.9" tablet. How do I know? I've tried reading ebooks and comics on my iPhone Plus. It doesn't work too well. On my iPad Mini? Perfect.
 
Thank you.

People always say "phones are getting so large now... why would I want a tablet?"

This is why:

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Yes... it's another device that you would have to purchase and carry... but you can't deny how much better watching movies or browsing the web would be on a larger device.

It's like I always say, the difference between a big phone and a small tablet is still quite pronounced, especially with the difference is aspect ratio. .
 
Right, iPhone is basically a small iPad (nano). But it wouldn't work the other way around if you wanted a phone as well since an iPad can't make phone calls.
You can make phone calls on some Samsung tablets. I would not call them phones.

Maybe one of their small smart cameras, I thought about getting one for everyday use.
 
No, one of the best things about iPad vs. iPhone is that you pay for one and that's the end of the cost. The other has an ongoing outlay of money (to get full use of it). And no, not everyone buys iPhones.

You can use a smartphone without any cell service and just use WiFi as you would a tablet. Hence no more cost to it. But spending so much on a smartphone, at least current ones to use as a small tablet is silly IMO. Unless you have older phone you can use as a small tablet.
 
If you want to do any long-form reading (i.e., books) on an Apple device, there is none better than the mini. I would expect Apple to make it easier to hold one-handed (which I already do, but this could be better) rather than to phase it out. What does Apple think we are going to use to read iBooks?
 
Except in reality, a phablet is not a substitute for a 7.9" tablet. How do I know? I've tried reading ebooks and comics on my iPhone Plus. It doesn't work too well. On my iPad Mini? Perfect.

In reality, mini 7-8" tablet sales have dropped significantly since the introduction of phablets. This applies to both Android and Apple tablets.

Whether or not you think it's a substitute isn't entirely relevant.
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Well, it depends. You cannot really use it like a phone, because it lacks the built-in circuitry of a phone offering this convenience in making calls. But you can use as a phone through software. And at much lower cost than a normal phone.

You can also use a spoon to eat spaghetti.
 
Steve actually meant that the demand for a small tablet is much smaller than a 10" tablet. And, that is definitely true.
Can you provide a link/quote to him stating that? I did a quick Google search and found this. He essestially said that they didn't think they were good products and would never sell one, and that they were dead on arrival which is obviously not the case.

On comments that Steve made before about 7 inch tablets, let me be clear, we would not make one of the 7 inch tablets, we don’t think they’re good products, we’d never make one.

7-inch tablets are tweeners: too big to compete with a smartphone and too small to compete with the iPad. ….7-Inch tablets are dead on arrival.
 
If you want to do any long-form reading (i.e., books) on an Apple device, there is none better than the mini. I would expect Apple to make it easier to hold one-handed (which I already do, but this could be better) rather than to phase it out. What does Apple think we are going to use to read iBooks?
Apple leaders are getting old who cannot read small text, but they need more health gadgets. Hence the current focus. Mini out, Watches with heart monitor in.

:p

/S
 
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In reality, mini 7-8" tablet sales have dropped significantly since the introduction of phablets. This applies to both Android and Apple tablets.

Whether or not you think it's a substitute isn't entirely relevant.

Of course it's relevant. I'm talking about the user experience, and you're talking about sales. Both are relevant.
It's entirely possible that people mistakenly think their big phone will substitute for an 8" tablet, and that accounts for decreased sales of small tablets.
 
This is an incredibly stupid and short-sighted decision on Apple's part.

The Mini form factor is extremely appealing to those who do not use regular sized iPads (or Pros) as workhorses... people who just read books, or just look at websites. Seniors, families... people who don't want to read books on their phones but don't want to carry the larger editions.

And people who don't upgrade all the time.

Why Apple chooses its form factors based upon what people replace every year is beyond me.
 
This could just as easily mean there will be a 7" iPad Pro

This was your original quote. Back to my point and aside from your frivolous semantics, Apple wouldn't delete a 7 inch iPad and and then reincarnate a 7 inch iPad Pro. That makes zero sense. Not To mention, Apple has hardly put any emphasis into the 7 inch iPad at all, and his lead you to believe that they might make a 7 inch iPad Pro? That's asinine.

As stated previously, The 7.9 iPad mini is been basically consumed by the 5.5 inch iPhone Plus. Phones are getting larger and the demographic for for larger iPads has expanded because of what one can accomplish.

Look how Apple has expanded the iPad, they haven't gotten smaller, have they? Granted, you're entitled to speculation, but in theory, ask yourself why your post would make any sense at all if Apple were to retain a 7 inch form factor for an iPad Pro and discontinue the Mini. Not happening.

If you want to make a valid argument, then Why would Apple manufacture a 7 iPad Pro if they discontinue the iPad mini?
 
You can also use a spoon to eat spaghetti.
No. I need often to make calls that would be prohibitively expensive with a normal phone. All of those go through my iPad mini. Convenience in such cases is of zero value.
 
I really hope they don't; or at least give us one last update, like the iPod family, which includes the "Pro" Pencil support. I too was just planning to pick up a mini when it presumably got Pencil support in the next update to use at work. That size would be perfect for taking to meetings and leave my phone in my office without sacrificing anything.

Hmmm. Was thinking about picking up a low price Mini if they pro-ified it. Thought the form factor would be amazing for note taking in meetings with the Pencil. But they're the ones that are seeing the revenue split and I imagine the Plus fills a nearly big enough hole for most customers.

Still think the sizing is going to be weird with the 9.7, 10.5 and then 12, but guess the 9.7 will be gone within a year or two and will just occupy the budget spot until then.

Yeah. Saw this coming. Big enough display to run iPad applications, fits in the back pocket, super light weight, as portable as a phone but more useful, and better data options due to not being a dedicated phone. Most practical and useful form factor for a device Apple ever made. All it could have used was Pencil support and to lose its bezels. Better kill it instead!

No 17" MacBook Pro, no iPad mini.

Super.

I guess I can look forward to the end of my griping about the worsening state of the software.

Funnily enough I think the iPad Mini size is the perfect sketch notepad. Apple should release a low cost iPad Mini 4 with 16GB and bundle it with a silicone case with integrated Pencil holder and an Apple Pencil of 3/4 the length of the current one. Business meetings, education, general note taking etc, loads of uses.

Problem is that it goes against their mantra that the Apple Pencil technology is ''premium'' and if they did release such a device it wouldn't sell due to their expensive pricing strategy.

Actually, I went the opposite direction. I started with a 6+ and went down to an SE which I love. Paired with my iPad Mini 2, it is the perfect portable combination for me. I use my phone for work and my Mini for content and a light business app on the go.

I too was hoping for a Pro (Pencil support) version of the Mini. Maybe?

It was by far the most portable and useful iOS device. Having owned and used everything from the 4" iPhone all the way to the 12.9" iPad Pro I can say, personally, that the best on-the-move combo I carried with me was the iPhone Plus and the iPad Mini 4.

The iPhone is far from being a tablet replacement and never will. Anyone who says so doesn't need a tablet. Even the accessories told the tale of the iPad Mini being ... a mini iPad. The iPhone plus is a BIG phone. They were never built to be interchangeable.

If it does happen, I won't shed too many tears. The market is INUNDATED with iPad Minis and I'll grab a Mini 4 on discount ... maybe a few of them for the kids.

p.s. I would love to see a 7" iPad Pro ... at least some support for the Apple Pencil across the spectrum of iOS devices.

If they can fit a 5.5" display into the current 4.7" iPhone form factor, then what's to stop them from putting a 6.5" display into the current 5.5" iPhone form factor? At that point you're almost iPad Mini.

What I'd really like to see is some differentiation. 10.5" seems to close to 9.7". Maybe they could knock the 9.7" cheaper model down to 9" with a reduced bezel and it would be close enough to the size of the iPad Mini? The main issue here is the PPI. The 10.5" iPad makes sense because it's supposedly the same resolution as the 12.9" but at 326ppi instead of 264ppi. It's basically what Apple did with the iPad Mini when it had the same resolution as the iPad but at 326ppi instead of 264ppi.

I hope the new Pros come out at WWDC. I'm not holding my breath, but if they do it at WWDC I'm hoping they're going to show off a redesigned iPad iOS that makes it a lot easier to get work done on the device. I decided to hold out for gen 2 of the iPad Pro due to the 2GB of RAM, which seemed like it would become outdated with Pro apps rather quickly. I also figured it would give more time for Pro apps to come on the market, but that is questionable. At least a lot of apps support Apple Pencil now, which is the main reason I want one. Hopefully it can be used as a drawing tablet with the Mac.
 
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You can use a smartphone without any cell service and just use WiFi as you would a tablet. Hence no more cost to it. But spending so much on a smartphone, at least current ones to use as a small tablet is silly IMO. Unless you have older phone you can use as a small tablet.

OK, you offered reason #2 yourself: you can buy a tablet to use as a tablet for much less cost than buying a cell phone to use as a much smaller-screened tablet.

And really, people think 5.X" phone screen vs. 7.9" iPad Mini screen is very close but that is not true. See the post (#209) that puts them side-by-side. The screen real estate difference is huge... yet the mini form factor is still much more portable than the 9.7" (or bigger) iPads. The attraction to the mini might be summed up as the attraction to "medium" (size) in general: obviously bigger than a phablet and noticeably smaller than an iPad. For some, it's a "just right" size. Thus, you have this thread filling with people who obviously like this form factor.
 
Of course it's relevant. I'm talking about the user experience, and you're talking about sales. Both are relevant.
It's entirely possible that people mistakenly think their big phone will substitute for an 8" tablet, and that accounts for decreased sales of small tablets.

Action speak louder than words.

Consumers have spoken. Apple now sells one-quarter volume of the iPad minis compared to the peak in 2013/2014.
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No. I need often to make calls that would be prohibitively expensive with a normal phone. All of those go through my iPad mini. Convenience in such cases is of zero value.

You're a corner case. How many other consumers do you think need to "make calls that would be prohibitively expensive with a normal phone"? And that the convenience factor is "zero"?
 
God some of these people here are obnoxious. Quoting sales etc when people are talking about the aspect ratio and benefits. Really annoying super Apple fanboys. If Apple discontinues it, it must be correct.
 
I'll be really disappointed if this happens as I love my iPad Mini 4. If this rumor happens to be true, I'll continue to happily use my Mini until it dies. I'll have to start looking at the plus model iPhone's more.
 
Apple leaders are getting old who cannot read small text, but they need more health gadgets. Hence the current focus. Mini out, Watches with heart monitor in.

I'm old myself, but we old folks still read books. And if those books are in electronic form, we would read them on book-sized tablets. If the Mini disappears, that probably will mean the Amazon Kindle for many, which would be a blow to iBooks.
 
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