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I mean, it makes sense to me, the part about removing the headphone jack. In a ~6mm thin iPad with small bezels, the headphone jack would have to go underneath the LCD at some point. There probably isn’t enough room in that thickness for glass, aluminum, the LCD, and a 3.5mm jack.
 
I mean, it makes sense to me, the part about removing the headphone jack. In a ~6mm thin iPad with small bezels, the headphone jack would have to go underneath the LCD at some point. There probably isn’t enough room in that thickness for glass, aluminum, the LCD, and a 3.5mm jack.
I think you might’ve nailed it. How many would want a large bezel, just to accommodate a headphone jack?
 
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Lmaooo seriously I’m not trying to be a d1ck, but some of you are acting loony.

You don’t have to buy Bluetooth earphones/headphones! Just use the dang adapter. It’s not that difficult.

Jeeeee Louise.

Yeah, that might not be your intent but it's definitely coming off that way. I've got specific use cases where using the adapter won't work for me. Just because the adapter will solve the problem for you, doesn't necessarily mean it solves it for all use cases.
 
Yeah, that might not be your intent but it's definitely coming off that way. I've got specific use cases where using the adapter won't work for me. Just because the adapter will solve the problem for you, doesn't necessarily mean it solves it for all use cases.
If removing the headphone jack gives everyone a smaller bezel, at the expense of supporting your niche requirement, that’s a tradeoff Apple is probably willing to make. Unfortunately for you. :(

There are a number of adapters that would support your use case, here’s one:

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I’m amazed at how many people equate the mini jack to other “legacy” ports. The mini jack long predates scsi, 5 ¼ inch floppies etc. It’s also not a computer port. It’s a universal connector, which will continue to be used as an audio out for decades to come (yes, really). In other words, it’s not the same. It’s more akin to Apple suddenly deciding they were getting rid of the qwerty keyboard. Which of course may happen at some point...

I use my iPad Pro for presentations which require good sound (I’m a senior Music examiner and I’m using it for examiner training: I connect them to a pair of high quality active monitors). So I really do use it for a purpose for which otherwise I’d buy a cheap laptop (windows) with an audio out port. There’s no logic to it’s removal. I’m not that worried though, because while I can imagine Apple doing this, I really can’t see them moving the keyboard or iPad to portrait only, so I’m assuming the whole thing is rubbish.
 
Can't read? I own an iphone x.

Didn't see the whole comment, I'm sorry. My bad.

Anyway, unless you have a faulty unit, the only explanation is that you personally don't like something that is loved by many and objectively great for the majority of users. Not everyone likes everything, even if it's so obviously great like Face ID. Sorry.
 
The iPad suits having reasonable bezels so you can hold it comfortably and. It obscure the screen with your hands. I could care less about the headphone jack, just leave some bezel at the top and bottom.
 
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I’m amazed at how many people equate the mini jack to other “legacy” ports. The mini jack long predates scsi, 5 ¼ inch floppies etc. It’s also not a computer port. It’s a universal connector, which will continue to be used as an audio out for decades to come (yes, really). In other words, it’s not the same. It’s more akin to Apple suddenly deciding they were getting rid of the qwerty keyboard. Which of course may happen at some point...

I use my iPad Pro for presentations which require good sound (I’m a senior Music examiner and I’m using it for examiner training: I connect them to a pair of high quality active monitors). So I really do use it for a purpose for which otherwise I’d buy a cheap laptop (windows) with an audio out port. There’s no logic to it’s removal. I’m not that worried though, because while I can imagine Apple doing this, I really can’t see them moving the keyboard or iPad to portrait only, so I’m assuming the whole thing is rubbish.

Your usage case is valid and you do objectively benefit from having such a port, no doubt there. However, you are in a small minority and for most people, this space will most likely be utilized better (for example, by putting a bigger battery). This port is quite large, when you think about it.

However, even for you, there is a solution which includes a very cheap lightning adapter. And if you need to charge the iPad at the same time, you can use a charging stand with the smart connector, or an adapter that supports both pass-through power and an audio port. I agree, this is not a better solution for you, but when you think about it, you have a (relatively) small trade-off, while the majority has benefits.

And I agree, not every change benefits everyone, especially people with specific needs. For example, I could really, really use a 15" or even 16" iPad Pro for illustration (heck, I could go for a 21" too), but I know this iPad would sell poorly and I understand why Apple won't make it. One day they may decide to stop making a 12.9" one in favor of a smaller one - I would be sorely disappointed, but I would understand that they do go for the needs of the many, not the needs of the few - to paraphrase Spock :)

You don't have to agree with this decision - in fact, you should be vocal about it if you dislike this (possible) change. This stands for everyone here criticizing this potential removal. Say you prefer the headphone jack, by all means. What I don't get is people acting like there is no good reason for Apple to do so. There is a good reason - and you have full right (and in your case, a good reason) not to like it.
 
I’m amazed at how many people equate the mini jack to other “legacy” ports. The mini jack long predates scsi, 5 ¼ inch floppies etc. It’s also not a computer port. It’s a universal connector, which will continue to be used as an audio out for decades to come (yes, really). In other words, it’s not the same. It’s more akin to Apple suddenly deciding they were getting rid of the qwerty keyboard. Which of course may happen at some point...

I use my iPad Pro for presentations which require good sound (I’m a senior Music examiner and I’m using it for examiner training: I connect them to a pair of high quality active monitors). So I really do use it for a purpose for which otherwise I’d buy a cheap laptop (windows) with an audio out port. There’s no logic to it’s removal. I’m not that worried though, because while I can imagine Apple doing this, I really can’t see them moving the keyboard or iPad to portrait only, so I’m assuming the whole thing is rubbish.
The logic seems to be they want to bring the screen out to the edge of the device, and there’s no bezel available to house the jack.

There’s a $9 adapter that will give you a headphone jack though.
 
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I disagree.

You’re completely underestimating the number of people using it minus keyboard, reading and browsing in portrait mode. When mine isn’t attached to the Smart Keyboard, I never ever use it in landscape. I’m not alone.

Landscape/portrait both have their place.

If we’re talking purely about the 12.9”, then yes, vast majority of use is likely landscape.



What absolute nonsense. I’m not advocating for jack removal (although I don’t use it), but this statement is totally incorrect.

You strongly remember me on a guy who knows everything better.
No other in the world can beat his [place here what you want].
 
"I'll let you get away with it THIS time, Apple - but you'd better watch yer step! You ever pull somethin' like this again and I'll go back to Windows 95! You hear me?? PEE-CEES, Apple!"

-said every Apple buy ever.
 
But the industry has already moved on towards what you want and you can experience that if you buy products other than Apple.

Android and other devices will give you latency 6 times less than Apples Airpods :)

Android? You mean that one phone that uses Qualcomm’s aptX Low Latency proprietary technology.

https://www.aptx.com/products?field_product_category_tid=126&field_aptx_type_tid=484

Oh and it’s a Vertu phone that sells for $6700, runs Android Jelly Bean and the company went bankrupt last year...

www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/vertu-constellation-announced/

But sure, there are many more phones that uses the standard Qualcomm aptX which have a latency of above 100ms. Not 6x less but still much better than normal.
 
What a terrible idea. The fact that this is a plausible prediction for a "Pro" product is a pathetic statement as to what Apple has become.
Nothing has changed. Apple are still the number 1 tech company.

The fact you are taking this rumour seriously is up to you.
 
Lmaooo seriously I’m not trying to be a d1ck, but some of you are acting loony.

You don’t have to buy Bluetooth earphones/headphones! Just use the dang adapter. It’s not that difficult.

Jeeeee Louise.

This comes a change from before it went all dongles.. When we still had physical ports/connectors, there was none of this needing a dongle.

I think the idea, is "optional" vs "required." we have a hard time adjusting to
 
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Long live the headphone jack and home button!!! (at least on one model).
I have the iPhone 4S (2011) and the iPadG4 (2012). They both work great and do everything I need. But they are both getting long in the tooth. And I am willing to spend money now to upgrade both to future proof my iDevices. While I love the headphone jack and the home button, I don't care about bio login and don't plan to use it.
So unless the mythical SE2 is announced in September, I'll be getting an iPhone SE and the current iPad Pro. I just hope both are still available in 2 months...
 
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The logic seems to be they want to bring the screen out to the edge of the device, and there’s no bezel available to house the jack.

There’s a $9 adapter that will give you a headphone jack though.
This one... https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MMX62ZM/A/lightning-to-35mm-headphone-jack-adapter?fnode=85

£9, with 104 reviews averaging 1 star out of 5. And in any case, as has been outlined, unless it’s able to work in conjunction with both lightning to vga and lightning to hdmi adapters, it’s no help to me.

I worry that Apple don’t really use the term ”pro” any more in the way they used to: now it simply means “with newer features we will eventually bring to the cheaper models”. Which could be something useful like the Apple Pencil, or less so like losing the headphone port.
 
This comes a change from before it went all dongles.. When we still had physical ports/connectors, there was none of this needing a dongle.

I think the idea, is "optional" vs "required." we have a hard time adjusting to
Those who move along with the times and adopt the new technology don’t need the adapters.

If you want to keep using older peripherals, adapters allow you to do that, either temporarily during a transition period, or for many, many years.
 
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