Do you have a citation that the rumor of the headphone jack from the iPad will result in less sound quality through the lightning port of the iPad?
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Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models
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The problem with that in the US is with revenue accounting; if you add features in a free update you have to change how you account for revenue. Apple went through that a while back where they wound up charging for a wifi update that added 802.11n because it added a significant new feature.
I agree.
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I'm guessing Apple figures most users never use the headphone jack now that BT is pretty widespread and cheap; so removing the jack cuts costs and saves space. The small percentage who need a jack will either have to make due with a dongle or buy something else.
In past interviews, I can't remember which ones when asked why the iPad still has a headphone jack they cited DJ's and musicians who use it.
Me, I'm going to assume that's because of the ease of integrating into their (and most any) system, from both the universal 1/8" jack standard vs. lightning but also the near-instant usability factor. Being able to plug in a vast array of equipment and get near-instant usability is so overlooked by the "smart" designers at AAPL....I have a dozen LIFX lights in my ceiling can lights. They're great. But is it annoying a few times a day to take up to 30 seconds to turn the lights on or off by 1) walking to your phone or iPad, 2) opening the app and waiting, 3) turning off or on the lights you desire, and then 4) walking back to wherever/whatever you were doing. Compare that to flicking on the wall light switch at either end of a room. Pretty soon missing the headphone jack will be the smaller issue vs. the bigger issue of AAPL trying to find one thing to remove every 18 months. Currently heading to the great "It used to just work" village in the sky is the home buttons on the iPhone X.
How quickly we forget how valuable was iPhone's charm of not needing an instruction booklet to do most things. Now every 12 months you need youtube just to relearn certain basics. There's no dongle for that.
I love how because I have the opinion contrary to your tightly held belief, I have to show my work and you can be on a soapbox.
Here you go:
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2018/01/measurements-apples-lightning-to-35mm.html?m=1
Quoted for truth. That was my reason for being so committed to Apple.
My life is complicated enough. I dislike having to relearn basic things with every update or spending money on something vital that was removed ...because thin.
I really hope the headphone jack removal won’t happen.
Nice work, I "get" why you created that, being a curious engineer who creates music. Even though I'm on "your side" of this silliness, it would sadden me if your post might change @I7guy 's opinion quicker than much simpler idea hashed around here by many over the past 1-2 years that the jack is one of those vestigial ports whose existence still offers more flexibility and for efficiency and joy of use than cleverly engineering it away just because AAPL could do so. Why does everything need to be analyzed/justified to the nth degree and over-thought by AAPL when it's obvious to so many that the current way is still too universal, flexible, and full of plusses vs. the courageous new way, and where sticking to the current way doesn't really put out the courageous folk?
They can pull out the optical disk and VGA port arguments all day but: how often do you hear of users paying up on Ebay for a superdrive & VGA capable MacBook? None, because the time was right to "courageously" move on. How many up-priced iPod classics with clickwheels do you see on Ebay still, and pro-headphone-jack posts on macrumers? Quite a bit, because ipod touches and touch-iPhones are awful for working music files, and the headphone jack is still a keenly useful took not ready for courageously moving on.
AAPL really is in the stage of too much unnecessary plastic surgery over the age of 50 just because it has the chronic itch & resources to do so, coupled with too much time on their hands away from true innovation as well as a blind eye to the potential downsides.
Recently, function keys and magsafe are seeing their demise, replaced by inelegant work-arounds requiring more purchases and physical effort to enact. Very recently, the iPhone home button, replaced by a ton of new swipes to learn that will likely be replaced soon by something else:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/iphone-x-how-to-survive-with-no-home-button/
Tomorrow, I'm afraid will be volume buttons...
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I was installing last night a replacement router a friend gave me that's 4-5 years old but still powerful. The instructions say (I'm paraphrasing but not making this up):
"if you are an experienced user or mac user, then proceed to manual set-up. If you are a pc user, please use the setup wizard CD."
The Apple experience used to be "it just works" (see my signature), letting the user sail and without getting in the way or imposing or interrupting the creative/productive process (like Windows/PC's did too often).
Sadly, not so much more now....which way will things go after better business & design management interject overtop Tm & Jony? We shall see I guess, if other users and I don't just jump back to the equally clumsy PC/windows world and out of the Apple $tax world, pocketing a nice bit of change in the process.
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Yes you do. You don’t get to at least in this site, to cite facts without an opinion.
Now as far as the article, they tested with an iPad Air 2? Couldn’t a more up to date product be used. However the article did say the sound was good enough, but I may have missed in the article wherebthe sound through the headphone is great.
This is exactly what I expected you to come back with. You have an opinion, but it isn't backed up by facts. You challenge the facts that I provide - not on their legitimacy, but rather the semantics of a wording choice that *I* used as an opinion. I think the dongle sounds great *for casual listening* - something you take out of context because the article I provided to you was talking about it in a specific, great-is-only-great if you offer all the same things.
Yours is the problem with debate in the modern era. Your example of "Prove Me Wrong", and then when provided proof, you move the goalposts is exactly why facts are distorted and "fake news" carries the day. It isn't fake; it's contrary to your opinion, and you don't like the idea that you might, in fact, be wrong. I know you think being wrong is some sort of death sentence, but it's not. It's just an opportunity for you to learn something, be humble, and get behind facts.
So here it is... it's your chance to concede and show you're able to think critically and act on new information that should change your outlook, or you can remain part of the problem.
In this case, you can still advocate for the removal of a headphone jack because it's your PREFERENCE, but you can't use rhetoric that no longer stands up to facts, and you can no longer feign a lack of knowledge to propagate your tightly held beliefs and opinions. You need to make a new argument, and you are entitled to that. But please, this is your chance to not be this guy:
Music producers usually use an external audio interface, no serious "music maker" is going to be monitoring their audio through an Headphone jack lol.
Every "serious" music production masters through multiple monitors, including often, $20 computer-desk speakers. Why? If they sound good everywhere but there, they won't sell.
Your assumption here is naive. Ask a producer (not me), and they'll all tell you that they have to target the environment.
First of all not all producers master their tracks, second of all where do you think that monitors are connect to? An external audio interface, third I'd love to see someone mixing and mastering through $20 speakers it would be a lovely "white noise" sound. Even if the producer is great there's $20 computer speakers wouldn't help because they lack a LOT of low and high end range so how do you mix the lower frequencies from 0 to 100 db if those speakers usually lack the lower frequency ranges? You're going to have to cut from 60db which means almost no sub frequencies. The same for higher frequencies, and final my assumption isn't naive at all, you are free to ask any serious producer about using the "headphone jack" for mixing or mastering, the least they'll tell you is to get an affordable audio interface.
Exactly the type of response I was expecting and I see we are done here. You cannot tell me why 3 year old hardware is being used and if newer hardware is any different, etc.
If apple products don't suit you, there is a whole world of hardware out there. Or maybe Apple doesn't want it's products to be used by musicians.
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You have to accept what apple is doing and you haven't done that yet. I keep saying that if this company doesn't suit you, find a company that does. The headphone jack is going the way of betamax. It's only a matter of time. Other than the serial complainers, the dongle provides most of what people want. The ability to use their headphones.
Jumping to the hyperbole of a ton of new swipes, I don't see it nor did I think swipes weigh that much.
One thing I agree with you on.
Nobody has to accept anything that's not working for them. They would be smart to instead keep providing feedback to the company and remain hopeful Apple will return to the company with great software and hardware systems that don't get in the users ways but instead let them quickly shine, which was what Apple's foundation was built on till they turned into a fashion and forced-trend company.
Except betamax & VHS arrived & competed in the arena at the same time, like Sirius & XM, where it comes as much less of a surprise for one standard to rise to the top. Apple repo a decades-old world-wide established standard
It's funny you tell others how to be/feel but can't fathom that perhaps it's equally OK that we others have a point in telling Apple how they should be. Just kinda really funny.
And coming up with new swipes and such every 12 months due to an incessant body-dismorphia issue over thickness & buttons & ports instead of picking something good and sticking with it, generally, like the Apple of 2005-2012 was known for, is pretty related to the discussion of removing an industry standard having many negative trade-offs. But better you have your thought process than me having it.
Check.
You're right, if a product doesn't suit your fancy you have options. Find a product that does or lobby the manufacturer that made the product. Either way one is an instant gratification and one isn't.
You're right, I should have used a floppy disk in the example.
You can tell apple what you want and feel the way your want. I don't care any which way, except if you post on a public internet forum, the discussion is up for grabs. The funny part is a hint of maybe you think it shouldn't be.
Seems like apple is still known for it, how else would they have hit $1T. Seems like a lot of cognitive dissonance is happening in these very fora.And coming up with new swipes and such every 12 months due to an incessant body-dismorphia issue over thickness & buttons & ports instead of picking something good and sticking with it, generally, like the Apple of 2005-2012 was known for, is pretty related to the discussion of removing an industry standard having many negative trade-offs. But better you have your thought process than me having it.
Maybe they’ll scrap iOS GarageBand then? Audio quality aside, all musicians from novices to pros are going to notice and be annoyed about the Bluetooth audio delay when trying to record any live instument. GarageBand even warns about the issue if it detects Bluetooth is being used.
Yeah they would, if they were actually forced to use BT. But they’re not, as has been pointed out many times in the thread.
I didn't run the test, so…
Did you show why that invalidated that test? No? Don't like it when proof exists that shows you're wrong?
You're right, we are done.
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Maybe you don't fully understand what I was saying. Of course when mixing and producing, you use very high fidelity, high quality equipment. Often, you'll find 3 or even 5 different combinations of stereo monitors to hear how things sound. But in addition to that, there is always something cheap that things get checked on... this particularly includes checking phase and cutover, as well as stereoscape. Often that's a sort of sanity check, and usually it's off a device with a 3.5, and cabled in, or it's bluetooth'd in. Either way, it's often an export that you listen to as part of a mixing session, and that is often in use of a convenient 3.5.
Cheers.
I know more producers who test their mix in their car than with a 3.5 mm headphone jack, so your argument is invalid, and mine stands for the simple fact that you are throwing stuff out of nowhere when the point was that no “music maker” as I was telling the other guy, is going to use the headphone jack to mix and master.
The iPad isn’t an iPhone. I totally agree the headphone jack needed to be removed from a purely mobile consumer device that on occasion serves a higher professional purpose.
But the fact that the iPad appears to be positioned as a MacBook replacement, and is marketed as such on occasion, suggests it should cater to those minimum requirements. Wireless audio is no good for gaming, or audio recording, without low latency which Apple products don’t currently offer. It’s also bad for sharing content with another person, like a movie, audio book, or music which iPads are often used for. Apple has solved none of these problems. There’s not even an adapter to use a Lightning headphone on a Mac! And that’s to say nothing about the ability to plug multiple Lightning devices in at the same time, while charging to use with processor intensive apps for long periods. Who knows maybe Apple will solve some of these issues with this iPad, but I doubt it.