I'm in the same boat. If Apple decides to remove the headphone jack from the next iPhone SE I will be looking elsewhere. I have high end headphones that require a 3.5mm jack and I would rather keep those then stay in a failing eco system...
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Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models
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I'm in the same boat. If Apple decides to remove the headphone jack from the next iPhone SE I will be looking elsewhere. I have high end headphones that require a 3.5mm jack and I would rather keep those then stay in a failing eco system...
It’s called moving forward. Yes there are people who still use it but there were still people who used the floppy drive when Steve Jobs removed that, or the DVD drive on Mac’s when that was removed. Apple aims for the masses, like I’ve said in another post you can’t please everyone.
By the way Apple are updating the Mac Pro, it’s a completely new design for and a 2019 thing. As for customer support I don’t know what company you’re talking about because I’ve always had excellent customer service with Apple. As for the MacBook Pro’s they just got a big update.
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Good luck with that other companies are following suit and also removing the headphone jack.
You're a bit confused about some of the technology it seems. First off, the quality of wireless depends on the quality of the speaker. My B and H wireless have beautiful sound. Second, wireless are now well over half of the revenue in headphone sales, but wireless is also available at all price points. Third, you don't have to switch to wireless! As now hundreds of millions of people are doing, you can simply use either a lightning equipped headphone (Apple gives them to you with your purchase) or you can use any legacy WIRED headphone you want simply by taking two seconds to attach the free adapter they send you and never think about it again your entire life.
Most people don’t need any adapters.
Here's how I see it.
The new UI in iOS 12 hints at the notch coming to the iPad (since it moves the time from the middle to the left. A notch on the screen really only makes sense if there is no bezel (or very thin bezels). Thin bezels necessitate the removal of the headphone jack.
I still think Face ID working only in vertical is wrong though. It will definitely have to support both orientations if it is going to work properly on the iPad, which can be used in either setting.
That said, I find it funny that in the Mac thread, virtually everyone and their mother was claiming that the iPad was a toy incapable of serious work. Then here, everyone is claiming that the removal of the headphone jack will ruin their workflows.
So which is which now? Is the iPad capable of legitimate serious productivity or not? Or is this just another case of moving the goalposts to whichever best suits your argument at any one point?
The new UI in iOS 12 hints at the notch coming to the iPad (since it moves the time from the middle to the left. A notch on the screen really only makes sense if there is no bezel (or very thin bezels). Thin bezels necessitate the removal of the headphone jack.
I still think Face ID working only in vertical is wrong though. It will definitely have to support both orientations if it is going to work properly on the iPad, which can be used in either setting.
That said, I find it funny that in the Mac thread, virtually everyone and their mother was claiming that the iPad was a toy incapable of serious work. Then here, everyone is claiming that the removal of the headphone jack will ruin their workflows.
So which is which now? Is the iPad capable of legitimate serious productivity or not? Or is this just another case of moving the goalposts to whichever best suits your argument at any one point?
Charging and using your headphones is a privilege not a right! Where do I pre-order? 
I think few of these predictions will come true. If there is Face ID, it will work regardless of orientation. A narrower keyboard to accomo
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Right. There wouldn’t even be iPad Pros for you to complain about either as he favoured a specific screen size.
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If Steve had never returned to Apple, Apple wouldn’t exist. But I agree with you otherwise. Steve was great, but I can hardly believe that 7 years after his death people are still not moving on. Apple is the new Disney. Wildly successful, but everything is still “what would Steve do?” As if anyone could know. This is also the same guy that brought us the hockey puck mouse and MobileMe. Not infallible. But now all we remember is the highlight reel.
Don’t kid yourself. Steve was all for adopting new standards and removing ports for the sake of aesthetics and form.
It’s possible the 3.5mm jack would have been removed SOONER under Jobs. The difference is the fanboys would have accepted this change because Steve would have sold them on it.
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3.5mm is outdated. Sorry but it is. It is analogue and digital standards have been around since the 80s. The lighting port offers a purely digital signal which suffers none of the potential signal loss in analogue. Anyone concerned about sound quality would never advocate for analogue. The nature of the technology is inferior.
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It’s a RUMOUR not FACT. Come on. Remember the “home button under the glass” bs at this time last year? There is no chance the iPad will have an unlock system that doesn’t accommodate different orientations. Zero chance.
I have heard that before it was removed from the iPhone.
That's exactly what it was said (some people have a short memory to remember it)
Would not give a flying monkey myslelf.
Have not used wired one for a year and a half and there is no way I will go back to wires.
But I feel for the audiophiles
But the thing is floppy disk were dying when apple removed it. And the same when they decided to remove the CD rom drive.
Wired headphones are still widely used.
You do realize that it’s not just about headphones, right? Square payment system, audio out for soundboard use and many other uses that Bluetooth just does not work for.
There you have it.
It fascinates me how short some peoples memory is.
This is exactly why I love Apple. They see potential and they are not afraid to make a change. They move on to the next stage, regardless of what customers think. Obviously people do hate changes, If it was for people we would still be using floppy, cd drive and what not, Every time these old tech were removed customers got outraged. Nothing different here with the 3.5mm jack. I say, go for it Apple, just do it.
That being said, FaceId not working on landscape orientation and now the vertical smart keyboard to me make absolutely no sense and I am not sure what Apple is thinking. It does seem like a terrible move but I would be glad to be proven wrong and there could be something we don't know. I rarely use my iPad on vertical mode, unless I am browsing something on the internet.
On the side note, amazes me how many people have been adapted to using the AirPods. I don't know a single person or I have not see/read a single review of a person who is not happy with them.
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Analogue audio ports are not outdated. Audiophile headphones are wired because of zero latency. The only way to out-date 3.5mm is through powered, wired digital headsets through, for example, the USB port. Once you see those in the supermarket and corner store, then we can discuss how 3.5mm is outdated.
This would be a terrible decision if true. Stupid is as stupid does anymore. Apple is ridiculous on its so called “pro” devices anymore
I sold my iPP 10.5” and am ready for the new iPad. I truly hope Apple releases this rumored iPad this September... unrealistic hop is: they keep the bezel design and smart connector on the side so maybe I can still use the expensive smart covers I bought for the 10.5”, lol.
Apple's upcoming iPad Pro models will feature slightly smaller bodies, a relocated Smart Connector, and no headphone jack, according to information shared by Japanese site Mac Otakara.
Citing supply chain sources, Mac Otakara says the new 10.5-inch iPad Pro will measure in at 247.5mm tall, 178.7mm wide, and 6mm, compared to the current size of 250.6mm x 174.1mm x 6.1mm. The 12.9-inch iPad Pro is said to measure 280mm tall, 215mm wide, and 6.4mm thick, compared to the current measurements of 305.7mm x 220.6mm x 6.9mm.
These dimensions line up with rumors suggesting Apple plans to introduce a full redesign with the 2018 iPad Pro models, slimming down the bezels much like it did with the iPhone X. Though smaller in size, the new iPads will feature larger displays thanks to the bezel reduction. The new iPad Pros are not expected to feature a Home button, and according to previous rumors, will include a TrueDepth camera system for Face ID.
Mac Otakara also suggests that the 2018 iPad Pro models will not feature a 3.5mm headphone jack, with Apple opting to eliminate it.
iPhones have not had a headphone jack since it was removed in the iPhone 7, and Apple has instead relied on Bluetooth devices like the AirPods along with Lightning-based headphones. Apple is not expected to ship the new iPad Pro models with a Lightning to 3.5mm adapter, which would be in line with analyst predictions suggesting that adapter will not come with the 2018 iPhones either.
In the iPhone lineup, the headphone jack was removed for improved water resistance and to make space for internal components like a bigger battery, the Taptic Engine, and the rear camera system. It is not clear if Apple is facing the same space constraints in the iPad Pro with the introduction of the TrueDepth camera system or if this is a move to align iPad and iPhone features.
A portion of Mac Otakara's report says that Apple will use a "diamond cut" for both the front and the back of the new iPad Pro models, which seems to mean that the tablets could have a design that's similar the iPhone SE with beveled edges.
The Smart Connector on the iPads has reportedly been relocated from the side to the bottom near the Lightning port, which may require a new vertically oriented Smart Keyboard. It's not clear how a vertical Smart Keyboard would work, as it would likely be unstable in that orientation, especially for the larger iPad Pro.
Apple is said to be making this change because Face ID will work only when the iPad Pro is in a vertical orientation, with Mac Otakara saying that it is "impossible to release the lock with the main unit turned sideways." Previous information from Mac Otakara suggested Apple was working on horizontal Face ID for the iPad Pro, and hints of such a feature were discovered in iOS 12.
In addition to these changes to the iPad Pro, Mac Otakara also shared a bit of information on the rumored 6.1-inch low-cost iPhone. Confirming previous rumors, the site says the device will use a "Full Active" LCD display sourced from Japan Display. Full Active panels allow Apple to slim down the bezels of the LCD iPhone, bringing it in line with the two OLED devices.
Mac Otakara's sources have also echoed previous reports pointing towards production difficulties for the 6.1-inch iPhone. When production on the phone started this month, Apple was reportedly seeing a 1 percent completion rate, suggesting a delayed November launch for the device.
Possible front glass panels for the 2018 iPhones, with 6.1-inch model in middle
Morgan Stanley analyst Katy Huberty made a similar prediction earlier this week, suggesting issues with "LED backlight leakage" could lead to a one month delay in production. Huberty's information indicated the delay had originally been six weeks, so it's possible Mac Otakara is working with older data. Other sources, such as Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, are not expecting launch delays, so it's unclear what's going on with the 6.1-inch iPhone at this time.
Mac Otakara has a somewhat mixed track record when it comes to rumors, sometimes sharing information that's spot on and sometimes missing the mark. For that reason, though this information is quite specific, these new details should be viewed with some skepticism until confirmed by secondary sources.
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Yeah but not everyone wants to buy AirPods, my girlfriend and I both have them. But that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to drop $170 on them. Especially after giving $1000+ for an iPhone. They should come in the box for that price.
This, I remember when the iPad Pro first came out with the pencil and it’s Smart Keyboard, people were saying how it wouldn’t be any good for productivity, some people are still saying that yet in another thread they want to mention how removing the headphone jack will disturb people’s video editing, photoshop work and so on. So are we finally at a stage where people are saying the iPad Pro CAN be used for productivity?
Personally I love the iPad Pro, I use it for drawing, note taking and so on, I do still love to use a Mac tho because I enjoy MacOS and I find typing on the Mac keyboard is just great.
Not sure I agree. He removed the floppy drive. RS-232 serial ports; both well before the PC industry moved on. With Bluetooth and Lightning, I haven't used a corded headphone in three years. Its time to go.
For Garageband the Bluetooth audio latency is a much worse issue than audio quality.
The most important thing using the wired audiophile headphones is that you can use any DAC/amp you want to. And usually you want to use hifi one with enough power to drive the headphones. With wireless headphones you are always stuck with the integrated amp of the headphones.
