Apple Said to Be Removing Headphone Jack From Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Models

[Sefstah]

Yes but the majority of people don’t do that and Apple is aiming for the majority, you can never please everyone. Besides most video editors don’t edit on iPads they do it on a MBP or iMac which still have the headphone jack.

In this situation, you actually can please everyone. Leave the headphone jack in. Problem solved. Bluetooth still works, everyone’s happy.

 

[Dave245]

In this situation, you actually can please everyone. Leave the headphone jack in. Problem solved. Bluetooth still works, everyone’s happy.

But for the majority of people who don’t use it, it’s a pointless thing to have. Nothing would move forward if everything was left the same.

 

[mrex]

But for the majority of people who don’t use it, it’s a pointless thing to have. Nothing would move forward if everything was left the same.

but isnt it much easier and more functional not to use it if you dont need than not having it at all?

i have ipp and a pencil, then i have wired sennheiser headphones... i wonder, if i need to charge my pencil, to where i plug the headphones then? and more common case, to where i plug the headphones when i need to charge the ipad?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Funny seeing this story whilst connected wirelessly with my sennheiser headphones. Come on people, just move with the times, wireless is so convenient

 

[yurc]

About time. MacBook Pros next.

Soon : Macs without headphone jack, audio output using bluetooth, added lightning ports as audio output, or using USB-C dongle.

Macbook family are good for first candidate.

Though I'm here just to get 8 core power of A12 cpu, as it doesn't have a notch it will became my first iPad (never touched iOS device except iPod Touch 6th gen for music and app testing)

 

[one more]

Mac Otakara has a somewhat mixed track record when it comes to rumors, sometimes sharing information that's spot on and sometimes missing the mark. For that reason, though this information is quite specific, these new details should be viewed with some skepticism until confirmed by secondary sources.

 

[RevTEG]

but isnt it much easier and more functional not to use it if you dont need than not having it at all?

i have ipp and a pencil, then i have wired sennheiser headphones... i wonder, if i need to charge my pencil, to where i plug the headphones then? and more common case, to where i plug the headphones when i need to charge the ipad?

Belking makes a dongle for that. Works really well too.

 

[Dave245]

but isnt it much easier and more functional not to use it if you dont need than not having it at all?

i have ipp and a pencil, then i have wired sennheiser headphones... i wonder, if i need to charge my pencil, to where i plug the headphones then? and more common case, to where i plug the headphones when i need to charge the ipad?

If there’s no headphone jack you won’t be able to plug you’re wired headphones in. The AirPods are great tho you could try a pair of those

 

[Ciclismo]

This would be a terrible decision on Apple’s part.

I agree - everyone I have ever seen using wired headphones with an iPad will be furious. Both of them.

 

[mrex]

The logic seems to be they want to bring the screen out to the edge of the device, and there’s no bezel available to house the jack.

or maybe they shoudnt try to get another 0,3mm away and keep the jack?

There’s a $9 adapter that will give you a headphone jack though.

Belking makes a dongle for that. Works really well too.

that is not enough, you actually have to buy a dongle having a headphone jack and the charger port too, like RevTEG said (and apprently you also many post above). so the headphone jack adapter is actually quite a useless adapter without power input. otherwise you cant attach both as you can do now. does it work both way? the one i have from apple for my macbook it doesnt work both ways. can you plug your pencil to the belkin or is it only for charging the ipad?

i start feeling that next time i need another travel bag for dongles and dingles when leaving at house... maybe i need to buy that terrible ”man bag” to be able to use apple devices outside my desk

There are a number of adapters that...

that seems to be a solutuon for everything nowadays with apple. rather than making functional devices, they consentrate how to make things thinner and apparently ”hotter” too. the worst part is that they make decisions and they dont have their own dingledongles to replace which they just removed but you need to rely on third party solutions which may work or not.

 

[Burger Thing]

Funny seeing this story whilst connected wirelessly with my sennheiser headphones. Come on people, just move with the times, wireless is so convenient

I have 2 high quality pairs of wireless headphones and one pair of a conventional headphone, the Shure 1540. And yet, when I listening to music or watch movies on my iPad, i usually only use the Shures. To me, just to plug in and play without ever to worry about charging the headphones, is convenience. When I watch something on my iPad, I lay stationary in my bed or sit on the couch. Why would cable be a hindrance?

But I absolutely believe in the rumor. Nowadays it’s not about Apple moving us forward into the future. Bluetooth can't be it, because Bluetooth has been around for ages.

It's about Apple not being able to design something without compromises. Small bezels? "Ok, then a 3.5 mm jack can’t be done!" [\s]

 

[yurc]

In iPod Touch 6th, each time I'm plugged different earphone into headphone jack, it saves and remember last volume I'm used for different earphones. It's very convenient because I'm use several earphone for different activity (e.g for running) and I'm never find this feature on other music player device/android based device.

If anybody know are those behavior still same when using lightning adapter on iOS device without audio jacks? (iPhone 7/8/X)

 

[johannnn]

I also used the 3.5mm jack ......... before September 2016!
Why the heck should I need that jack nowadays? When the new iPads are released together with the new phones, the last THREE iPhones have come with Lightning connector.

 

[dantroline]

But for the majority of people who don’t use it, it’s a pointless thing to have. Nothing would move forward if everything was left the same.

Nothing would move backwards either. Not a valid argument.

The argument is whether reducing the number of features on an iPad is a good thing when 'Pro' users of an iPad, eg: those using Garage Band, do not like bluetooth for its latency issues.

 

[Dave245]

Nothing would move backwards either. Not a valid argument.

Staying the same also isn’t a valid argument, standing still doesn’t move anything forward. The AirPods work great as an alternative and even if people don’t want those there are other wireless headphones/earphones on the market.

Steve jobs had a brilliant quote that makes a lot of sense:

“Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.”

 

[dantroline]

Staying the same also isn’t a valid argument, standing still doesn’t move anything forward. The AirPods work great as an alternative and even if people don’t want those there are other wireless headphones/earphones on the market.

Steve jobs had a brilliant quote that makes a lot of sense:

“Some people say, "Give the customers what they want." But that's not my approach. Our job is to figure out what they're going to want before they do. I think Henry Ford once said, "If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have told me, 'A faster horse!'" People don't know what they want until you show it to them. That's why I never rely on market research. Our task is to read things that are not yet on the page.”

Yeah OK you win. I want more latency. I love it when my multi-track recordings are all off, it will probably be the sound of the future anyways.

 

[Icaras]

There you have it.
It fascinates me how short some peoples memory is.
This is exactly why I love Apple. They see potential and they are not afraid to make a change. They move on to the next stage, regardless of what customers think. Obviously people do hate changes, If it was for people we would still be using floppy, cd drive and what not, Every time these old tech were removed customers got outraged. Nothing different here with the 3.5mm jack. I say, go for it Apple, just do it.
That being said, FaceId not working on landscape orientation and now the vertical smart keyboard to me make absolutely no sense and I am not sure what Apple is thinking. It does seem like a terrible move but I would be glad to be proven wrong and there could be something we don't know. I rarely use my iPad on vertical mode, unless I am browsing something on the internet.

On the side note, amazes me how many people have been adapted to using the AirPods. I don't know a single person or I have not see/read a single review of a person who is not happy with them.

I’ve said this before time and time again....people either, as you, say, have short memories, or they are millennials that got into Apple after the introduction of the iPhone and are experiencing for the very first time the removal of a deprecated or legacy technology in a very virgin way.

I remember the first time I fought hard with Apple’s way and that was when Steve Jobs called blu-ray a “bag of hurt” (for those that are green with Apple, and I mean those who call themselves Apple fans only within the last decade, look it up), and refused to ship any Mac with a blu-ray drive. Being a videophile, I swore that Apple would soon eventually start shipping Macs with blu-ray drives, but in fact the complete opposite happened: instead of upgrading the format, they removed it entirely. It was a huge lesson for me in understanding how Apple fundamentically and unequivocally operates, while my ridiculous self entitled comments are shamefully archived here in the annals of Mac rumors.

History has taught us too much with Apple. Every Apple device, including every Mac will all eventually be digital audio only, in time.

 

[Dave245]

Yeah OK you win. I want more latency. I love it when my multi-track recordings are all off, it will probably be the sound of the future anyways.

Most people use the Mac for serious work, the Mac still has the headphone jack. The upcoming iPad Pro’s will probably remove the headphone jack because how many people actually use it for serious work? a small minority yes but the majority don’t.

 

[mrzz]

I use iPad 80% of the time in vertical orientation which is better for browsing and reading emails. It’s like an A4 sheet of paper.

The rest of the time, mainly watching videos, I use it on landscape orientation.

#115
I use iPad 95+% of the time in horizontal orientation which is better for browsing and reading emails.

 

[limo79]

That is bad. Now I cannot connect my top notch Grado headphones because Tim Cook "suggests" me to wear AirPods in ear headphones with built in batteries that can potentially explode ruining your life or to buy Beats headphones that are piece of junk compared to Grado or Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic. All because guys from Apple achieved 1mm less thicker design. Amazing feature like Animoji Mr Cook!

 

[FFR]

Here's how I see it.

The new UI in iOS 12 hints at the notch coming to the iPad (since it moves the time from the middle to the left. A notch on the screen really only makes sense if there is no bezel (or very thin bezels). Thin bezels necessitate the removal of the headphone jack.

I still think Face ID working only in vertical is wrong though. It will definitely have to support both orientations if it is going to work properly on the iPad, which can be used in either setting.

That said, I find it funny that in the Mac thread, virtually everyone and their mother was claiming that the iPad was a toy incapable of serious work. Then here, everyone is claiming that the removal of the headphone jack will ruin their workflows.

So which is which now? Is the iPad capable of legitimate serious productivity or not? Or is this just another case of moving the goalposts to whichever best suits your argument at any one point?

Ding ding ding!
We have a winner.

 

[0095059]

Why is there a ridiculous lag for iPad Pro when using lightning to HDMI?

My MacBook Pro 2011, with an inferior GPU, has no problem mirroring the display at 1080p.

The iPad outputs 1024x768. You can’t sit in front of a monitor.

Until that’s fixed, the iPad is not a computer.

So, Bluetooth only headphones for an entertainment device, that’s like arguing that Virtual Boy should have had VGA output.

 

[mrzz]

Most people use the Mac for serious work, the Mac still has the headphone jack. The upcoming iPad Pro’s will probably remove the headphone jack because how many people actually use it for serious work? a small minority yes but the majority don’t.

"PRO" moniker for iPad is just a pure BS to get more $ from that "PRO" device which is in the end just a normal tablet 95% the same as other iPads. Regardless, even "normal" people own quality headphones - your logic doesn't make sense to me. Does it mean that if I want to use a quality wired headphones (instead of crappy wireless .. nowadays) I have to become "PRO" and buy overpriced "PRO" iPad?

If true, I would guess that this is not Tim Cook's decision, but Jony Ives, based only on visual design ideals. Even though I wish the current iPhones had a headphone port, I can see why the port was omitted from the iPhone: size and water-resistance. But the iPad? That's just silly. There's lots of room for a 3.5mm headphone port on the iPad, even the iPad Mini. Same with the 12-inch MacBook. I get why it only has a USB-C port. But the MacBook Pros? What's with the whole "USB-C only" thing? That's why I still have a 2015 MacBook Pro, for the extra ports and the SD card slot. As many people observed in 2016, when the current body style MacBook Pro was released, the product had actually lost functionality compared to the previous model. Sure, visual design is important, but not at the expensive of function. We are now a full two years on from that mid-2016 release, and MacBook Pro owners still have make sure they keep their adaptor dongles handy.

Apple should remember that the reason people have liked their products so far is: "It just works".
I have held off getting one of the new MacBook Pros because I could imagine the disaster of turning up at an important meeting with my MacBook Pro, but without a dongle, and having to say: "Sorry folks. It doesn't work."

Sad thing is that the are not producing "PRO" devices anymore. The MB"P" crappy overpriced laptops they have been releasing last couple of years don't deserve to be called "PRO". I wish Cook and people around him are removed for good and more visionary people step in.

 

[Abazigal]

When I watch something on my iPad, I lay stationary in my bed or sit on the couch. Why would cable be a hindrance?

Because I won't stay seated next to my iPad at all times. You have never had to get up for a drink of water from the kitchen, or otherwise leave your seat for any reason?

I wish Cook and people around him are removed for good and more visionary people step in.

Isn't it ironic that people's definition of "visionary" involves resurrecting older form factors and giving users more of the same?

 

[0095059]

The simplicity of using iOS paired with a mouse and keyboard in front of a monitor would satisfy college students using Microsoft Word and Excel. Or Photos and iTunes.

The idea that you need a MacBook Air to write term papers and research data in Safari, only to use your iPad to read textbooks for the same class, seems counterintuitive when iOS has Safari and Microsoft Word.