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Sigh ... here we go again with the, "Specs are everything!"

I don't need an iPad Pro to watch Netflix and check my Twitter feed while on the couch or toilet.

Furthermore, a lot of people, like myself, will never use a tablet as a PC replacement for at least another decade. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket and consume all of my media outside of Apple's walled garden on a low budget, purpose built device using hardware agnostic software such as the case with Amazon's and Google's offerings.
I have an Android tablet and a Kindle, but the Kindle is a great device for reading with its E-Ink display and long battery life. Though, I wish Amazon sold DRM-free eBooks so I could read them offline on my Linux PC.
 
Indeed, it’s a matter of choice. Wired/wireless, Apple has left wired folks with no alternatives other than to go bluetooth with their hardware, or move on from Apple. Courage, I suppose ... you summarized the wired argument quite succinctly.

That’s not true yet. So long as there’s a data port of any kind, customers have the option of attaching a wired headphone via some kind of adapter. The issue here is that there’s no legitimate reason to remove the headphone jack on the iPad Pro, particularly the 12” one.
 
That’s not true yet. So long as there’s a data port of any kind, customers have the option of attaching a wired headphone via some kind of adapter. The issue here is that there’s no legitimate reason to remove the headphone jack on the iPad Pro, particularly the 12” one.
I just don't think the headphone jack should be removed. I would understand if Amazon had been putting a heapdhone jack into their Kindles until now and decided to remove it because you don't usually need a headphone jack for reading unless you're listening to audiobooks or using text-to-speech. But an iPad is practically made for playing music and videos, along with word processing, taking notes, emailing, et cetera.

Besides, what happened to "Music is in our DNA"?
 
There are phones out there other than IPhone, you know?
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Please know you're wrong.



Each one had a worthy successor. Bluetooth SUCKS for headphones.
There are phones out there other than IPhone, you know?
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Please know you're wrong.



Each one had a worthy successor. Bluetooth SUCKS for headphones.
I know there’s other phones and I might have to look into my other options. I thought I’d always stick with Apple but under Tim Cook things are turning to crap... someone needs to replace him
 
I for one am all in favour of removing the headphone jack, I was on the fence when I got the iPhone 7 as I used Headphones a bit. But I only used my adapter a few times and love using my wireless headphones. I already had some good Sony Bluetooth ones, and when Apple gave me free Beats headphones with A1 chip it is just awesome.

Smart Connector moving though... NO. I want landscape mode, it is my primary function!
 
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That’s not true yet. So long as there’s a data port of any kind, customers have the option of attaching a wired headphone via some kind of adapter. The issue here is that there’s no legitimate reason to remove the headphone jack on the iPad Pro, particularly the 12” one.
The bezels on the 12.9” and the new 11.0” iPad Pros are too narrow to contain the body of the headphone jack.

Either: 1) everyone gets a bigger screen with minimal bezels, but no headphone jack, or 2) everyone gets a headphone jack but big bezels.

It’s an either/or situation, you can’t have both.
 
I for one am all in favour of removing the headphone jack, I was on the fence when I got the iPhone 7 as I used Headphones a bit. But I only used my adapter a few times and love using my wireless headphones. I already had some good Sony Bluetooth ones, and when Apple gave me free Beats headphones with A1 chip it is just awesome.

Smart Connector moving though... NO. I want landscape mode, it is my primary function!
My new theory is that even if it moves there will be a redesigned Smart Cover that works in landscape. Think about it. All you’d really have to do is extend the Smart Cover halfway (or all the way) up the back of the iPad and have it connect to this new one.

Either that, or this is a second smart magnetic connector where you can stick the pencil.

Only portrait keyboard not only makes no sense , it’s ABSURD.

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That's not really a great comparison. Floppy disks no longer serve a purpose and nobody uses them anymore because they don't hold enough. But the headphone jack still serves a purpose, is used by many, and is superior to wireless in ways that continue to make it relevant.

You’re incorrect and correct in the same respect.

You’re correct in the respect that the headphone jack still does serve it’s purpose, because there are those who do prefer wired headphones to utilize the 3.5 port.

But you’re entirely _incorrect_ when you say it’s superior, as your misconstruing what superior means in comparison, because that’s completely subjective depending on one’s stance on what they appreciate in terms of either wireless or wired preference, regardless of sound. One could make the counter argument that they *don’t* want to have a wired experience and they would rather sacrifice the sound quality for the convenience of having Bluetooth earbuds that allow more freedom from being tethered to the iPhone. So in that factor alone, you can’t use the word ‘superior’, as that’s broad stroked, being you’re speaking for everyone.
 
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You’re incorrect and correct in the same respect.

You’re correct in the respect that the headphone jack still does serve it’s purpose, because there are those who do prefer wired headphones to utilize the 3.5 port.

But you’re entirely _incorrect_ when you say it’s superior, as your misconstruing what superior means in comparison, because that’s completely subjective depending on one’s stance on what they appreciate in terms of either wireless or wired preference, regardless of sound. One could make the counter argument that they *don’t* want to have a wired experience and they would rather sacrifice the sound quality for the convenience of having Bluetooth earbuds that allow more freedom from being tethered to the iPhone. So in that factor alone, you can’t use the word ‘superior’, as that’s broad stroked, being you’re speaking for everyone.
The second part of your post is redundant.
The OP did not say Wired is superior to wireless period. They said it was superior to wireless in ways that continue to make it relevant, such as superior audio quality and zero latency - for starters. That is not up for debate but factual.
 
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The second part of your post is redundant.
The OP did not say Wired is superior to wireless period. They said it was superior to wireless in ways that continue to make it relevant, such as superior audio quality and zero latency - for starters. That is not up for debate but factual.

Incorrect. The Bolded was never even discussed, you simply interjected your own thoughts into this discussion referencing the ‘superior audio quality and latency’ when that was not elaborated on at all. I did however, Clarify the difference between what’s considered superior as a subjective term being that wired and wireless is not necessarily accepted both ways equally. You’re being presumptuous over something that was never addressed, even if it is True about the sound quality. Perhaps read the previous post more thoroughly before commenting on it. Or in the least, understand what was said, is in fact, debatable.
 
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Incorrect. The Bolded was never even discussed, you simply interjected your own thoughts into this discussion referencing the ‘superior audio quality and latency’ when that was not elaborated on at all. I did however, Clarify the difference between what’s considered superior as a subjective term being that wired and wireless is not necessarily accepted both ways equally. You’re being presumptuous over something that was never addressed, even if it is True about the sound quality. Perhaps read the previous post more thoroughly before commenting on it. Or in the least, understand what was said, is in fact, debatable.
The OP did not make a blanket statement that wired was superior, but superior in ways that make it relevant. You conveniently neglected to highlight make it relevant.

Do you deny that drivers in any pair of wireless headphones can get a superior signal directly wired?
Do you deny that a wired connection negates issues of latency?
 
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The OP did not make a blanket statement that wired was superior, but superior in ways that make it relevant. You conveniently neglected to highlight make it relevant.

What I find strikingly Odd, is that you feel the need to interject yourself into a discussion that really doesn’t have any relevance compared to what I said in reply to the original members quote to begin with. Now you’re simply trying to conflate latency/sound quality with wired headphones, when I was on the topic of how Bluetooth has expanded beyond just wanting a wired set up because of what the consumer prefers aside from the word ‘Superior’. Not sure why you feel the need to try to push your narrative into this discussion when it’s not relevant to what we were talking about in the first place, more or less, it seems you’re just arguing for the sake of semantics versus actually trying to discuss what the topic was about in the first place about how wired quality is not always the ‘norm’ when it comes to Bluetooth expansion beyond for those who don’t care about sound quality in every facet. I can only politely suggest you reread the post for a second time to clarify any misconception that you clearly have or you’re simply trying to start another argument on a separate topic that I’m not even relating to for you to create your own tangent on.
 
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What I find strikingly Odd, is that you feel the need to interject yourself into a discussion that really doesn’t have any relevance compared to what I said in reply to the original members quote to begin with. Now you’re simply trying to conflate latency/sound quality with wired headphones, when I was on the topic of how Bluetooth has expanded beyond just wanting a wired set up because of what the consumer prefers aside from the word ‘Superior’. Not sure why you feel the need to try to push your narrative into this discussion when it’s not relevant to what we were talking about in the first place, more or less, it seems you’re just arguing for the sake of semantics versus actually trying to discuss what the topic was about in the first place about how wired quality is not always the ‘norm’ when it comes to Bluetooth expansion beyond for those who don’t care about sound quality in every facet. I can only politely suggest you reread the post for a second time to clarify any misconception that you clearly have or you’re simply trying to start another argument on a separate topic that I’m not even relating to for you to create your own tangent on.
I did read the original post correctly.
The he only benefit Bluetooth offers is the lack of a wire which many people will find superior. But that is where it ends.
Every other way wired is superior.
Zero latency, greater audio bandwidth and no need to charge. How are these aspects not relevant.
Posting on a forum is not private. If you want a private correspondence, reply to an OP directly.
 
The bezels on the 12.9” and the new 11.0” iPad Pros are too narrow to contain the body of the headphone jack.

Either: 1) everyone gets a bigger screen with minimal bezels, but no headphone jack, or 2) everyone gets a headphone jack but big bezels.

It’s an either/or situation, you can’t have both.

I don’t know that to be true. A headphone jack has been present in some of Apples slimmest enclosures. Unless the iPad enclosure gets substantially slimmer, I doubt that will be an issue. We’ll see with the iFixit tear down if this comes to pass.
 
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...and what if you need the lightning adapter for something else (audio input, maybe, MIDI keyboard etc...)? If you do the research, you'll find that although the USB/Lightning dongle has a lightning socket, its only for charging. The biggest restriction of the iPad in terms of audio/music production is its limited connectivity and dropping the separate headphone jack would make that worse.

You can get dual splitters that allow you charge as well if you really require - likely hood is if you're wanting input with midi keyboards and the like you've always had to use a dongle anyway, possibly even with a USB hub to plug more than one in, so it doesn't' really change anything.
 
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likely hood is if you're wanting input with midi keyboards and the like you've always had to use a dongle anyway, possibly even with a USB hub to plug more than one in, so it doesn't' really change anything.

Sure it changes things: you now need two dongles where you only needed one before. You now need a USB hub even if you didn't before. The more boxes you need, the less point there is in using an iPad rather than a Mac.

Anyway, the only thing I've seen that gives you 3.5mm jack and a fully functioning Lightning port is the Apple Lightning dock. Everything else is one lightning/headphone port + 1 charge-only lightning port.

Maybe those added costs/complications would be tolerable it the sacrifice were justified by some clear advantage to dropping the 3.5mm jack - but there just isn't one, other than pure cosmetics (Bezel-free? Anybody who wants a bezel-free iPad hasn't thought through how they're going to hold the thing... even if it works on a phone that you can hold in the palm of your hand it won't scale to bigger, heavier tablets that you have to actually grip... Oh, right, we're going to have a display with curved corners to force applications to have a dead margin around them to replace the bezels... )
 
I’m still using a 2010 MBP and milking every bit of life that I can from it. I only became interested in iPad when the Pencil was introduced. Even still, the limitations of iOS 11 have kept me from buying the current IPP. I’m one of the many debating IPP vs MBP for the future. Either choice will require me to purchase media adapters.

I’ve browsed various USB-C hubs on Amazon and dearly wish that an IPP had USB-C and the ability to use a hub to its full potential. I hate to admit that a Surface Book or Pro is becoming more appealing due to the connectivity and other capabilities.
Combo of and old IPP with an upcoming iMac would be a great setup for me. So I am waiting. Laptop is useful but it is a technology of compromise.
 
Anyway, the only thing I've seen that gives you 3.5mm jack and a fully functioning Lightning port is the Apple Lightning dock. Everything else is one lightning/headphone port + 1 charge-only lightning port.

There are splitters that give you two fully functioning lightning ports, i've had one for a couple of years and never seen cause to use it - that way you can use a lightning to headphone jack if you want.

I was a record producer and writer for a decade and producing on an iPad is not something that's ever appealed to me - I don't even like using a MacBook Pro for it - but on the road there are still better options. The idea that you couldn't be prepared with a fully charged iPad for a recording session so you only needed to use one adapter is the most first world issue ever. People are making up very specific examples (seemingly like all those who plugin their MacBook Pro into a screen with a standard HDMI cable all the time) to argue points on here.

Yes it might change things slightly but it doesn't make it impossible and it's such a niche edge case I don't think Apple would care about it anyway.
 
There are splitters that give you two fully functioning lightning ports, i've had one for a couple of years and never seen cause to use it

Well the only ones I've been able to find may have two lightning sockets but one of them is only for charging. Since you've never used yours, are you sure that it does what you think that it does?

I was a record producer and writer for a decade and producing on an iPad is not something that's ever appealed to me

So you admit that you don't have a horse in this race, so its back to the old "I don't need it so nobody else does" nonsense. Pro tip: find some sticky tape that matches the colour of your iPad, stick it over the 3.5mm jack, pretend it's not there and relax and enjoy your AirPods. Then maybe you can stop trolling the people who do use it.

and it's such a niche edge case I don't think Apple would care about it anyway.

So Apple make GarageBand for the good of society - the likes of Moog, Roland, Yamaha, Akai etc. write iPad apps as a hobby, most of the mini-MIDI keyboards on the market include iPad compatibility info for nobody's benefit...?

Maybe the market is predominantly amateur/"prosumer" - hobbyists and dabblers, people learning/practicing instruments - rather than record producers (yes, I'm sure there are far better dedicated portable studios available with balanced inputs/outputs and suchlike for serious callers) - but the demand is clearly there, and a major point of it is that you need minimal equipment (ideally that you already have).
 
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Pro tip: find some sticky tape that matches the colour of your iPad, stick it over the 3.5mm jack, pretend it's not there and relax and enjoy your AirPods.

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No, I fully comprehended your analogy. I merely disagree with its premise. The headphone jack has not met any real competition. Sure, there's Bluetooth, but it has some shortcomings, which is why some people (myself included) still prefer wired headphones.
With wired headphones
1) You don't have to worry about running out of power
2) You don't have to deal with interference from other wireless devices
3. You can have better audio than wireless could ever deliver
4. You can save money on headphones by not needing to have a built-in DAC
4b. You can choose your own DAC instead of having to use one that's built into your headphones
5) You can be sure that your headphones are connected and thus avoid potentially embarrassing situations where you think the headphones are connected, but they aren't and your music starts playing though the speakers

Some folks are happy with wireless headphones and others just aren't. I'm in the latter camp due to issues of reliability and audio quality. I want good headphones without feeling like I'm being gouged, and I want to be sure that my headphones will work until they finally break.

Have an upvote for 5)! I see your point, thanks for outlining it so concisely!
 
To be fair if you own quality headphones you don't want to drive them from the built in DAC of an iOS device anyway.
This response gets brought out time and time again.
Why shouldn't people who own quality headphones not expect to be able to use them in their smartphone when it is convenient? Or are you suggesting that the DAC in Apple iOS products will likely damage quality headphones?
 
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