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I may have missed it on a previous page, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if at this size, Apple simply says "GPU included" and expands the display to effectively make the display an eGPU (and thus use whatever "internal" video protocols they need to drive the thing, like they did with the iMac 5K before TB3 was available).

I don't think it's the best solution but I wouldn't be surprised.
 
This YouTuber has a pretty good view discussing a 6K monitor.

If the 6K rumor is accurate, the Mac Pro will probably be the only thing that can drive two of them.
Ya okay... I stopped listening AFTER the Mac Pro part which was pretty interesting. Because what he has to say on the display... is total BS. He does NOT understand how the scaling works on macOS and why the iMac is 5k rather than 4k.
In line with that he does not understand why you basically NEED a higher resolution as the display increased in size... otherwise you end up with non-linear scaling which is pretty bad. Ugh, this really drives me up the walls!

For the (what feels like) the one millionth time I link to this article: https://bjango.com/articles/macexternaldisplays/

The short version of this... and I wholeheartedly agree with that: You need to target 100-110ppi for non-retina @1x
and about 200-220ppi for retina aka @2x scaling.

Which basically means you'll have (more or less) these options:

Non-Retina
21-24" @ 1920x1080 (or 1920x1200 if you go 16:10)
27-30" @ 2560x1440 (or 2560x1600 if you go 16:10)
40-43" @ 38040x2160

Retina
21-24" @ 3840x2160
27-30" @ 5120x2880
30-32" @ 6k (not 100% certain what exactly is meant by 6k... so the numbers could be slightly off...)
40-43" @ 8k


Everything else... will either not have 100% or linea 200% scaling. If you cannot see non-linear scaling... good for you. It's horrible. And since it is still pixel-doubled... and THEN downscaled... it also has a hit on performance.
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Titan Ridge should support a 6K display at 60Hz and possibly 120Hz (might need DSC), however the 40Gb/s limit remains and that is said to not be enough bandwidth to daisy-chain two 5K displays off a single TB3 port.




Dell did have a 27" 5K display - the UP2715K - but it has been discontinued and not replaced. Phillips had one, as well, but it also has been discontinued, I believe. So the LG 27" and 34" are the only options I am aware of.

There are a couple more... like the Iiyama XB2779QQS, the Planar IX2790, and the HP Z27q. The former has huge quality control issues and there are mixed reports of it working well with various Macs and cables (as it is single cable, it would most likely need a 2018 Mac with Titan Ridge to work at 5k and a cable that supports it). The Planar and HP I know nothing about...
 
Ok so i have these questions:

Do you think there is a chance:
1) It will support a higher refresh rate? Like 120Hz or 144Hz?
2) It will have embedded some kind of hardware like a GPU?
3) Or a custom apple chip?
4) Face ID?

I am getting really psyched about upcoming WWDC.
 
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Ok so i have these questions:

Do you think there is a chance:
1) It will support a higher refresh rate? Like 120Hz or 144Hz?
2) It will have embedded some kind of hardware like a GPU?
3) Or a custom apple chip?
4) Face ID?

I am getting really psyched about upcoming WWDC.

w/o any insider info... just my 2 cents:

1) no. the bandwidth is not there.
2) while this would be cool and possible... I highly doubt it.
3) there will almost definitely be some kind of Apple Chip... but I don't know why you would really care about this?!
4) would be cool... but since it's only a display and not a computer I doubt it.
 
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Ok so i have these questions:

Do you think there is a chance:
1) It will support a higher refresh rate? Like 120Hz or 144Hz?
2) It will have embedded some kind of hardware like a GPU?
3) Or a custom apple chip?
4) Face ID?

I am getting really psyched about upcoming WWDC.

1) No. It will be 60 Hz. 6144 x 3072 @ 60 Hz and 10 bits per color (necessary for HDR) is the maximum you can cram down a single cable without compression.

2) It will not have an embedded GPU. The PCIe bandwidth of Thunderbolt 3 is currently limited to around 22 Gbit/s due to the controllers having a PCIe 3.0 x4 back-end and taking into account PCIe protocol overhead. While an embedded GPU could potentially drive a panel with much higher display bandwidth requirements, it would be hampered a considerable amount of the time by a lack of PCIe bandwidth to the host and the additional latency imposed by Thunderbolt. Connecting the GPU directly to the CPU via a PCIe 3.0 x16 link (roughly 103.7 Gbit/s) minimizes latency, maximizes peak PCIe bandwidth, and avoids any potential PCIe bandwidth contention issues. While a single Thunderbolt cable to the display does limit DisplayPort bandwidth to 40 Gbit/s, at least that bandwidth is fixed for a given resolution, bit depth, and refresh rate. This guarantees predictable performance, whereas an embedded GPU would not.

I would put my money on a 4-port USB 3.0 host controller being the sole PCIe device embedded in the display, which would support a FaceTime HD camera, and three USB 3.0 ports on the back of the display. Although LG went all USB Type-C with the ports on their UltraFine displays, 2x Type-A and 1x Type-C would probably be more practical, seeing as almost all wired keyboards and mice in existence have tethered cables with Type-A plugs on them. And of course there would also be an audio device and amplifiers to drive built-in stereo speakers. I do not anticipate any network interface in these displays due to the DisplayPort streams using practically all of the bandwidth available from the Thunderbolt 3 link.

3/4) There are a lot of possibilities for Apple to include some bespoke technology here (even the panel itself seems like it will be a fairly custom for Apple job). If they include Face ID, then yes, they would almost certainly include something like a T-series chip. Face ID would be awesome, but implementation could be pretty challenging.
 
If I can get a loaded 2017 iMac (non-pro) to drive one 6K over TB3, I will be fine. I'd love two, but if the 2017 maxes out at one other 5K, it won't push two. Although my 5K is pushing an LG Ultrafine 5K over TB 3. There is no stuttering. Works like a dream

A 2019 or 2020 iMac doesn't have to use a 2017 GPU. :) How much better the newer GPU will be is open question, but over time better GPUs will come to lower parts of the iMac line up. So driving two would more into reach over time if Apple provisioned a future 'regular' iMac with two Thunderbolt 3 controllers ( 4 ports). It would be like the early 4 port MBP 13" in that one controller is probably a tad under bandwidth provisioned PCI-e was but just need a GPU with 6 DisplayPort capability. (which when running down clocked mid range desktop GPUs isn't hard with AMD ) The wide oriented monitors are highly targeted at replacing two monitors. two extra wides probably isn't a huge market.
 
A 2019 or 2020 iMac doesn't have to use a 2017 GPU. :) How much better the newer GPU will be is open question, but over time better GPUs will come to lower parts of the iMac line up. So driving two would more into reach over time if Apple provisioned a future 'regular' iMac with two Thunderbolt 3 controllers ( 4 ports). It would be like the early 4 port MBP 13" in that one controller is probably a tad under bandwidth provisioned PCI-e was but just need a GPU with 6 DisplayPort capability. (which when running down clocked mid range desktop GPUs isn't hard with AMD ) The wide oriented monitors are highly targeted at replacing two monitors. two extra wides probably isn't a huge market.
I'm referring to driving one or two with my 2017 iMac. Will it drive one? Likely. Two? No.
 
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3/4) There are a lot of possibilities for Apple to include some bespoke technology here (even the panel itself seems like it will be a fairly custom for Apple job). If they include Face ID, then yes, they would almost certainly include something like a T-series chip. Face ID would be awesome, but implementation could be pretty challenging.

T-series in a monitor isn't a good match. There is no storage drive in the monitor so it is high overkill there. While the T-series does have ability to control camera , audio , speakers it would be highly oddball to decouple it from the rest of its duties. More than one T-series coupled to a mac system being run concurrently doesn't seem like a recipe for stability at the moment.

If each monitor had a secure enclave (a t-series chip) than a two monitor set up with a modern mac there would be a total three enclaves. What's is stored where? How does macOS keep all that straight if hook monitor X with Mac A in the morning and Mac B in the afternoon? With one enclave in a system is far easier to kept stuff organized.

FaceID would highly likely be a 100% embedded solution in a system. So laptops and perhaps iMacs. The macs that require a discrete monitor and/or keyboard probably aren't going to fall under T-series solutions for authentication. It doesn't line up with how some of core objectives are laid out.
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Titan Ridge should support a 6K display at 60Hz and possibly 120Hz (might need DSC), however the 40Gb/s limit remains and that is said to not be enough bandwidth to daisy-chain two 5K displays off a single TB3 port.

Titan Ridge doesn't really get over the problem in that you need pragmatically need two Thunderbolt controllers ( the ports not matter so much). Can do 6k3k without Titan Ridge's predecessor so not a problem. If your 5K monitors each need two streams then need four. The TB controllers take two. So to get to 4 need two.

If have two TBv3 ports you don't have to "daisy chain" the monitors. If trying to pump DPv1.4 over Thunderbolt v3 then one stream in one direction (out port 1) and another stream in another direction ( out port 2) won't over burden the overall network. It is 40Gb/s in each direction. So ~29Gb/s in each direction still has bandwidth for "other stuff". That other stuff is what should be daisy chained. .


Dell did have a 27" 5K display - the UP2715K - but it has been discontinued and not replaced. Phillips had one, as well, but it also has been discontinued, I believe. So the LG 27" and 34" are the only options I am aware of.

HP has one https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04591534

It think most vendors expanded around that point where 5K first came out at. Added more "wider" options or more 4K at higher HDR.

Apple doesn't sell anything else but the 27" panel in the iMac. So are trying to iterate in 6 directions at once. For the regular iMac it wouldn't be surprising if they just stuck with it. Maybe crank the refresh rate but continue to stick with that resolution. ( pixel doubling Retina focus and ability to put all volume into a narrow set of panels so have enough to bargain with. )
 
Why is face ID so important to you guys on a stationary computer?
Well... me personally I unlock my computer with my Apple Watch.
If I, for some reason DON'T wear it... and have to use Touch ID... or *gasp* type my password... it is an additional hassle.

So for people w/o an Apple Watch I can totally see why they would want this!
 
Well... me personally I unlock my computer with my Apple Watch.
If I, for some reason DON'T wear it... and have to use Touch ID... or *gasp* type my password... it is an additional hassle.

So for people w/o an Apple Watch I can totally see why they would want this!
Then leave it unlocked and lock the door instead!
 
Then leave it unlocked and lock the door instead!

Srsly?
If you mean it sarcastically... fine...
Else? I don't know... I leave my desk in a shared office... I lock my computer. Locking the doors wouldn't even help... as the others are already inside.
 
I can't say I'm sold on FaceID being an improvement over TouchID yet, but I haven't used it either.

For use on a Mac I actually found TouchID on the 2018 MBP15 to be handy, e.g. once you enable the PAM module it will let you use TouchID for `sudo` too, which is quite handy with some development tools etc.

I'm not quite sure how FaceID would work in the context of a Mac? You're looking at the screen all the time, does it just not prompt you at all any more, otherwise what action indicates that you're giving authority to do something, as opposed to just looking at what it says on screen?
 
And exactly THIS is why Face ID makes perfect sense. To keep you from having to type your password over and over again. Just like on your phone.
Meh, I'm gonna let you have Face ID then. By the power vested in me by no one, I now pronounce you Face ID in a screen!
 
1) No. It will be 60 Hz. 6144 x 3072 @ 60 Hz and 10 bits per color (necessary for HDR) is the maximum you can cram down a single cable without compression.

This 9to5mac article does a balloon squeeze into a wider , shorter format that is still inside the dual DisplayPort v1.2 bandwidth range at 10 bits per color. 6240×2880

The height there is the same as the current 5K monitors. Folks wouldn't get any taller a longitudinal timeline tools, but more room for stuff "to the left" (and/or right).
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So if doing 4K video would have space for more tools/pallet/ in addition to the video content. if doing 8k, then pixel "undouble" to a 4k viewer then same upside of more tool space.

The article points out that with right height adjustments the monitor could make the "doesn't match my iMac" folks more happy if keep the vertical pixels the same height the same. ( although I'm sure the folks who OCD on bezels will still be traumatized. ).




 
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Yes, Jeff Benjamin does very well to explain how this would work. And he makes sense of how a 6K3K display fits in with legacy fevices and a new Mac Pro.
$1500 tops, given current LG 5K3K pricing.

The LG 5K3K may not a good price baseline. If thinking it is only incrementally more pixels to "print", then that is probably off. The "micro LED" thing suggests that the 'backlighting' is different here and shooting for a higher HDR classification rating. (perhaps something like this 1000 local dimming zone monitor that will come later in the year ) That would an additional cost over the additional pixels cost.

The other issue is that unless this panel is coupled to some iMac variant to drive volume and economies of scale.

If there is no increase in HDR (and color gamut) and very high overlap with infrastructure for 5k monitors manufature that continue to run in volume then that $1,500 mark. But if Apple is trying to make a "grand" statement then could slide into a couple grand in price.
 
The LG 5K3K may not a good price baseline. If thinking it is only incrementally more pixels to "print", then that is probably off. The "micro LED" thing suggests that the 'backlighting' is different here and shooting for a higher HDR classification rating. (perhaps something like this 1000 local dimming zone monitor that will come later in the year ) That would an additional cost over the additional pixels cost.

The other issue is that unless this panel is coupled to some iMac variant to drive volume and economies of scale.

If there is no increase in HDR (and color gamut) and very high overlap with infrastructure for 5k monitors manufature that continue to run in volume then that $1,500 mark. But if Apple is trying to make a "grand" statement then could slide into a couple grand in price.
Sure, anything's possible. Especially with modern Apple pricing strategies, haha.

Only thing against going above $1500 or so, is whether they actually want to sell (m)any or not.

If they go even to $2K, I suspect that'd knock out a lot of buyers – which they may actually want to achieve, if they can't produce enough at volume, want to keep it exclusively (or near exclusively) aimed mostly at Mac Pro buyers, or any other reasoning.

I personally think for 2019, it'd be a hard sell in the current marketplace, unless it offered really great additional features, like...

1. Two TB3 Macs input.
Pic-in-pic, pic-by-pic, quick flick between full screen Macs.

2. Face ID.
Highly unlikely, given display is remotely separate from hardware.

3. Dock.
10GbE, + whatever bandwidth is left after the display's needs.

4. eGPU support.
Blackmagic Pro is currently only one with two TB3 ports; hopefully the eGPU would work for displays plugged directly into any TB3 Mac.

5. Decent stand/mounting.
Easy VESA mounting. And a stand with all functions: height, tilt, swivel, pivot.


We'll see. But no doubt, with my pessimistic hat on, it'll either be disappointing due to lack of functionality, high price, or likely both.
 
I am guessing pricing will be influenced by whether or not the iMac / iMac Pro goes to it, as well. If it does, then we're looking at a larger production scale and that will drive down the price. If not, then it's probably going to be low-volume production and therefore a higher price.

As for FaceID, I do not see why the Secure Enclave could not be in the monitor itself and once authentication is performed, the process can be handed off to the attached Mac to unlock the machine, fill in the password field or execute Apple Pay.
 
2K doesn't seem like overkill for this size, in fact I'd be surprised if it was that low. The question is if there'll be a smaller sized one, say a 26" or something. That's probably the one I'd buy. Hell, I'd probably get a cheap knock off IPS version, cause I can't even afford that...
 



Apple will release a 31.6-inch 6K display with a Mini LED-like backlight design in 2019, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, who detailed his expectations for Apple's 2019 roadmap in a research note obtained by MacRumors.

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Apple left the display market back in 2016 with the discontinuation of the outdated Thunderbolt Display. Apple did, however, say they were working on a new screen alongside the new Mac Pro. Apple's Phil Schiller said in 2017:Kuo describes the new monitor as a "6k3k" display.

Article Link: Apple Said to Release 31.6-Inch 6K Display With Mini LED-Like Backlight Design in 2019
Maybe something like this: https://www.ledinside.com/products/2018/12/tslc_releases_mini_led_products_finepitch_displays
 
I've been thinking about replacing my 5 year old 39" 4k with a 32" 4k and a 27" 4k turned 90 degrees.

I'd pluck for a 32" 6k instead of a 4k if it's competitive, but if they did a ~42" 6k I'd buy that alone almost regardless of price.
 
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