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I agree. Bezels exist for a reason. It annoys me how everyone keeps clamouring for bezel-free displays and yet don't think of what it will be like to actually use. For example, I currently purchased an S7 edge, and although I love (almost) everything about it and how it's really aesthetically pleasing to look at, it's a pain in the ass to use. One handed use is near impossible and a complete nightmare. I accidentally keep opening and closing things with my palm near my thumb area as I stretch my thumb to different areas of the display, even when I'm being really careful. I have to hold it a certain way and even then it still happens. It's honestly really annoying and frustrating to actually use on a daily basis.

Apple will teach all of us how to hold the phone.
 
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Another slap in the face to us 4" iPhone users :p

Except this has nothing to do with the 4" iPhone. Not to mention, the SE isn't even a year old and likely could see a refresh, But likely not until 2018 according to Macrumors.
 
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What are you talking about? Anything that I write will work with _any_ resolution just fine.

I'm assuming that you write apps for iOS. If so, how do you believe apps would work if Apple removes the physical home button?
 
I believe the 5.8-inch phone will be similar in size as the current 5.5-inch, but it will be a combination of the display stretching to eliminate the top and bottom bezels, and a shortening of the length of the device.

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current iphone size is the maximum as I see it, otherwise its officially a phablet. I understand there are people who prefer the larger screen especially who you is it to get work done.
 
Whilst this sounds like a really good idea and certainly a nice design for the smaller iPhone, it's also pretty worrying, when iOS is the buggy mess as it is I don't like the idea of Apple implementing more features with a curved screen. I think they should just fix iOS first, but that's not how Apple does things.

Another big concern is design, with the iPhone doing its best impression of a bar of wet soap these days with its ultra thin design and round edges, a case is a must to be able to hold it for lots of people, how are you going to do that on such a thin device with a curved edge screen? Because Apple is certainly the design company of form over function these days.
 
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Why are you discussing such ridiculous numbers?
Because the current 4.7" iPhone already has such ridiculous numbers : 1334 x 750. And this is because the UI is still largely pixel-based. Take app icons, on the original iPhone they had a size of 60 x 60 pixel. When the iPhone went retina, that was doubled (2x) to 120 x 120. For the 6/7+, which have a higher resolution, the resolution was triple (3x) of the original, ie, 180 x 180.

If you were to increase the resolution of the 4.7" screen to 1920 x 1080, a linear increase of 1.44x, an app icon would now need to be 173 x 173 for the app icons on the home screen to keep the same physical size. If on the contrary, you increase the resolution to 2001 x 1125 pixels, the app icons would need to be 180 x 180 pixels, which is a size that every app developer already created a version for. And app icons are just one of many UI elements that are defined as pixel-based elements.
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The "plus" phones are absolute garbage for usability, Steve Jobs would have never released the product.
Well, then don't buy the 'Plus' version. Or are offended by their mere existence? Do you consider it morally reprehensible to offer such phones?
 
The "plus" phones are absolute garbage for usability, Steve Jobs would have never released the product. PLEASE don't gimp the smaller phones(s), if you're going to sell a premium "plus" then also sell a premium smaller phone. I don't want to carry around a tablet just so I can have a sharper display, it makes no sense.
I love my SE and it's my primary phone. But I also love my 7 Plus for different reasons. It more or less replaces my iPad mini as it's easier to hold than the ipads, and also use it to quickly edit photos and reading.
I'm of the school that there is a tool for every job and one alone cannot satisfactory do everything the best.
But I'm with you that for me the smallest phone is my most used phone.
I find the 4.7 as an unsatisfactory compromise. At once both to big and too small. I need something either very compact, or spacious. Not something in between.
 
The wedge is a solution that exists in a shipping phone that allows the phone to have no camera bump without making the phone as thick and heavy that a non-wedge design with no camera bump would have to be. Since I think device thinness and weight is an important factor in people's buying decisions, which is corroborated by almost all phones putting an emphasis on that, a wedge might be the only way for you to get a phone without a camera bump.
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And what do you think the price of the 4.2" iPhone should be? $100 less than the 5" iPhone or current iPhone SE pricing?
The wedge is a solution that exists in a shipping phone that allows the phone to have no camera bump without making the phone as thick and heavy that a non-wedge design with no camera bump would have to be. Since I think device thinness and weight is an important factor in people's buying decisions, which is corroborated by almost all phones putting an emphasis on that, a wedge might be the only way for you to get a phone without a camera bump.
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And what do you think the price of the 4.2" iPhone should be? $100 less than the 5" iPhone or current iPhone SE pricing?

The SE had lower specs than the regular iPhone. If they make a 4.2", a 5" and a 5.8" model with the same specs, there should have the same price difference between the 4.2" and the 5" models as there is between the 5" and the 5.8" models.
 
Was in the states this past week and I of course stopped by the Apple store to check out the new iPhone 7 in person. Its nice, but with my 6s, I said no way am I spending that kinda money. I just bought an external drive and I'm happy. Will be interesting to see if next years revisions of the iPad Pro and iPhone will be more convincing.
 
Happy my iPhone 6 is still alive and running well, but will be stoked to get a new phone next year. Glad I skipped the current generation.
Thought so, too, but coming from the 6 the 7 is so much better.
Of course it could happen I buy the next year iPhone anyway. :)
Although I am not a fan of the bezel free mockups I see from time to time.
Always looking like a fish rather than a device.
 
Thought so, too, but coming from the 6 the 7 is so much better.
Of course it could happen I buy the next year iPhone anyway. :)
Although I am not a fan of the bezel free mockups I see from time to time.
Always looking like a fish rather than a device.
I can see apple putting in a 5 inch and a 5.8 inch screen in an iPhone in the same physical size as the current iPhone 7/plus.
Camera and speakers won' t be integrated in the screen yet.
The screen will be 3.5 mm wider and 7 mm taller. Sensors , speakers and front camera will shift a little higher to the top of the smaller top chin.
Home button/touchid will be integrated in the entire smaller bottom chin, and will be entirely "clickable" by haptic feedback/force Touch , and will be the second transitional step for removing the iconic home button before being fully integrated in the screen the year after.
 
Please be real! I want smaller bezel and bigger screen size phone.

5.8" is the greatest size in smaller bezel or even bezelless is what I am dream of. :D

Please be something big change next year. I am ready for it.
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I agree. Bezels exist for a reason. It annoys me how everyone keeps clamouring for bezel-free displays and yet don't think of what it will be like to actually use. For example, I currently purchased an S7 edge, and although I love (almost) everything about it and how it's really aesthetically pleasing to look at, it's a pain in the ass to use. One handed use is near impossible and a complete nightmare. I accidentally keep opening and closing things with my palm near my thumb area as I stretch my thumb to different areas of the display, even when I'm being really careful. I have to hold it a certain way and even then it still happens. It's honestly really annoying and frustrating to actually use on a daily basis.

I used an s7 edge and note 7 before they were recalled for a while. I really didn't like the edge screen. The colors change around the edges, when you hold it you are always pressing the screen. Even though edge rejection is decent, it's still not perfect and randomly things get pressed or scrolled. Not sure why everyone is obsessed with this edge thing.
I am ex owner of S6 Edge and S7 Edge, frank speak I never have issue on both of them. Never ever accidentally touch it. Possible due to I already always holding phone at edge since I use phone because I love clean screen, every use I am sure need to wipe it clean before I put on back to desk, my pocket or bag and holding the edge is the best to avoid touching the screen.

The "plus" phones are absolute garbage for usability, Steve Jobs would have never released the product. PLEASE don't gimp the smaller phones(s), if you're going to sell a premium "plus" then also sell a premium smaller phone. I don't want to carry around a tablet just so I can have a sharper display, it makes no sense.
I know they is still lover of small screen size phone but this is reality, smaller screen size phone users is too limited, it is thankful if company still release some of it near to premium, but hope for smaller screen size phone have same premium and spec as bigger screen size phone is probably won't happen, the company closer to release such smaller phone now is Sony and it still different and less premium than regular size phone.

The users of smaller screen size phone now is too little to let a company consider release a extreme premium device on it. Sorry to said that.

A lot users already realize and loving big screen size phone, the Plus phone is not a garbage. For me smaller screen size like 4" phone is difficult to use and it just simply too small for everything even the 4.7" edition. 5.2" is the screen size minimum I can accept now.

True different people different taste but any company do is for earning money, the release of iPhone SE is not enough welcome to let Apple consider it as main production.
 
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This always happens with new features. In 2014 Apple Pay wasn't widely adopted. In 2015 force touch wasn't in many apps. In 2016 wireless headphones aren't mass-marketed.

We'll get there!
Wireless headphones has been out for a while. I have had Bluetooth headphones for a long time but have you tried looking at a video with them? The audio will lag which is one reason I prefer wired. My Bluetooth headset can also be connected wired but the extra adapter needed on the iPhone 7 is a major turnoff. Hopefully sales decline and they rethink the decision. Based on the poor user reviews I am seeing they just might be.
 
Wireless headphones has been out for a while. I have had Bluetooth headphones for a long time but have you tried looking at a video with them? The audio will lag which is one reason I prefer wired.
And you can be sure that Apple has fixed this, at least with its own Bluetooth headphones. It really isn't rocket science to synchronise visuals and sound if you (as the OS maker) control the full software stack.
 
And you can be sure that Apple has fixed this, at least with its own Bluetooth headphones. It really isn't rocket science to synchronise visuals and sound if you (as the OS maker) control the full software stack.
You mean those earnings ? I would hate to be forced to use something like that especially with such short battery life. I highly doubt they can fix the latency. It becomes worst in crowded places.
 
Fantastic news as expected bazel free 5", curved edge for "ticker tape", brilliant.

Bazel uses between 40 and 50% of precious screen real estate at present.

Total waste of space.

This type of hyperbole cracks me up. Try the following. First, measure your overall phone's dimensions. Multiply its length by its width. Write that figure down. It's the phone's area.

Then, please measure the length and width of each your bezels. Determine each one's area and add them together. Take that number and divide it by the first number your wrote down.

You will quickly discover that the bezels do NOT comes anywhere close to making up 40-50% of the device.

As the gurus on This Old House say, "Measure twice, post once!" :)
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Let me do a bold prediction...

The iPhone 8 will be have a faster cpu and graphics!

And, they will be sure to tell us that:

"It's the best iPhone we've ever made!"
 
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This type of hyperbole cracks me up. Try the following. First, measure your overall phone's dimensions. Multiply its length by its width. Write that figure down. It's the phone's area.

Then, please measure the length and width of each your bezels. Determine each one's area and add them together. Take that number and divide it by the first number your wrote down.

You will quickly discover that the bezels do NOT comes anywhere close to making up 40-50% of the device.

As the gurus on This Old House say, "Measure twice, post once!" :)
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And, they will be sure to tell us that:

"It's the best iPhone we've ever made!"

Thanks for correcting my memory its 30% to 40% still a lot of wasted space.

When you say 'does NOT come any where close 40 to 50%' the SE is 39.2% ie 0.8% difference, with respect your comment in incorrect.



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iPhone 7 and 6 Plus-
Overall dimensions
6.23inches x 3.07inches = 19.13 inches² LESS SCREEN SIZE [5.5-inch (diagonal)] approx ASPECT RATIO 16:9 - 12.93 inches²

% Screen that is bazel and wasted- 32.41%

iPhone 7 and 6-
Overall dimensions
5.44inches x 2.64inches = 14.36 inches² LESS SCREEN SIZE [4.7-inch (diagonal)] approx ASPECT RATIO 16:9 - 9.43 inches²

% Screen that is bazel and wasted -34.33%

• iPhone SE-
Overall dimensions
4.87inches x 2.31inches = 11.25 inches² LESS SCREEN SIZE [4 -inch (diagonal)] approx ASPECT RATIO 16:9 - 6.84 inches²

% Screen that is bazel and wasted-39.2%


Average waste of screen across iPhone range 35.31%


Apple have 487 stores worldwide if they closed 35.31% of them as WASTED SPACE they would close 172 stores and be left with 315 (two stores less than six years ago in 2010 - 317 stores)

or another comparison:

I think its fair to say the screen is the number one most important part of the iPhone.
Based on the iPhone 7 256GB model at £799.00 or $1036.98 a % Screen that is bazel and wasted - 34.33%
is a waste of £274.30 or $365.00

I consider this to be significant.

thanks to:
http://tvcalculator.com
http://www.skillsyouneed.com/num/percent-change.html
http://www.percentagecalculator.net
http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/compare/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Store
https://www.statista.com/statistics/273480/number-of-apple-stores-worldwide-since-2005/
 
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