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Wait, what do we complain about now? Of course, the fact that it has taken them so long. And then the price. Great, I woudn't be able to handle all these changes otherwise.
I am not complaining, but I observe they got ashamed of themselves.
And found out how many (real) Pro customers and devs jumped ship.
Not that those will return, because most modern media-intensive apps are now primary Windows based or on other platforms. Those who feel betrayed and went through lots of trouble, don't come back that easy, Phil. And in particular, the non-upgradeable trashcan ad-interim solution will be the one nobody buys. So that won't stop the bleeding.
You look like apprentices in the IT industry.
 
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This is really exciting news! I like my 6,1, just the like the 4,1 before it - they're both great computers. I can't wait to see what comes next, especially regarding the display. I've had so many issues with wake/sleep and my LG 4k, it'll be nice to have an approved display pipeline with hopefully no issues.
 
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For anyone who complains about the Trash can as being a failure: remember the G4 cube, same thing.
Today's rumor (if coming true) finally makes the 6,1 a true successor to the Cube: Technological marvel in a compact chassis, very quiet in operation - even under load -, price/performance ratio questionable and with no direct successor. Collectors rejoice! :)
 
What Apple announced today about the Mac Pro, is exactly what they are going to do with the MacBook Pro too; admit that it is too darn think to be truly a useful professional machine.
 
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I really fear the "completely rethought" wording from Apple's PR. As Marketing has taken over that company, I believe it means that some form of a display-less iPhone is the new Mac Pro, and all should be happy about it.

Glued-in everything, smaller than actually possible, ram and hard drive soldered in etc.

I would eat my hat if the 2017 Mac Pro is actually more user-replaceable internally than the current one, and actually b a computer than can be forgotten by its company for 4 years and yet still get easy upgrades on the aftermarket.
 
I've responded to a few naysayers on here with the argument "The lack of Mac Pro updates isn't apathy". Here is confirmation that I was right.

Still waiting for a major announcement that proves the naysayers are right and that "all Tim Cook cares about are profits".
To me, it says that Schiller has lost a lot of internal arguments at Apple in the past few years and now has finally won an argument concerning the Mac Pro. But is it too late? MS already offers the latest pro systems so will Apple pro users be able to hold out another year+?
 
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I gotta say, it's about time. I've been shifting away from the apple ecosystem over the years, but i'm glad they're finally doing something with their desktops.
 
Just keep in mind folks that their interpretation of a Pro user is someone who needs emoticons in a touchbar. Hoping for the best here, but are we really going to get what we've been waiting for?
 
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This is the letter I sent to Tim Cook in late January. Physically on paper, personally signed. I like to think that maybe it helped.

Dear Tim Cook,
Apple's focus, or lack thereof, on MacOS and the quality of software and hardware has become apparent. I urge you to direct resources and care toward the "desktop" Mac experience.

Many businesses run on workflows and solutions that Apple has been able to provide or enable over the decades. At my previous employer, I personally developed multiple systems to create or manipulate data, with Applescript and Cocoa apps. At my current employer, *******, a colleague has built many apps to automate transmitting ******* with a variety of languages, on multiple computers. My career in programming began with Applescript, so when I heard that Sal Soghoian's position was eliminated, I became extremely worried about the future of automation in MacOS. Eliminating top product managers doesn't happen when the features are being actively and successfully worked on. So there is good reason for concern.

What is the future of open computing in general, in your view? What is the future of automation on the Mac? Apple, as created by Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, has always had a love-hate relationship with users. Job's vision was clearly that of a closed computer, with no user upgrades or anything allowed outside of what the company would provide. Wozniak promoted open systems, and wanted to allow user to upgrade the hardware and write their own software.

Apple has become wildly successful. In my 20 years using Apple computers, it seems clear to me that the most influential factor for any user to become a lifelong Apple devotee, is when they can do something easily that they previously thought impossible. It could be installing their own hard drive. Or writing their own simple program or script. Or doing something that Windows never let them do. These kinds of easy-yet-powerful aspects of the Mac drew lots of rabid users, including people like me. Open and upgradeable computers are more conducive to users being able to learn on their computer and customize it for their needs, or even develop an entire career.

Professional users, the ones who truly have the most amount of money invested into their hardware and software, are observant of the lack of hardware updates. The Mac Pro is now the poster child for Apple's "unloved computers", not being updated in 3 years. Professionals bemoaned the lack of internal upgrade options, compared to the "cheese grater" giant G5 and Mac Pro. And the outcries were justified. The current Mac Pro is completely hampered, because no user can upgrade the Mac Pro video card, or CPU, even when alternatives are available. User forums I read are often populated with comments of "when will a new Mac Pro be available", "I'm switching to Windows", or "I'm going to build a Hackintosh".

Promises that "Apple will have great stuff for you soon" don't quell fears that Apple continues to not care for Pro users. The Final Cut Pro X release debacle, mDNSResponder issue, the Applescript removal from Pages/Numbers, Mac Pro no fresh in over 3 years, elimination of Airport Express routers, all point to Apple caring only for it's money makers- namely iOS and iPhones and iPads, and marginally MacBook Pros. But professionals, businesses, and even small developers whose requirements and workflows are unusual, need open computers and options.

What I would like to see from Apple is a renewed focus on MacOS and Pro-level computing. These steps should include things like:

•Updated Mac Pro with a design that allows for GPU card upgrades, and possibly CPU upgrades. Expandable internal storage would be a plus. For example, a compact relative of the old cheese-grater Mac Pro- a little smaller, but expandle.
•Continue to support peripherals that support Apple products, even if they are not money-makers. A compatible Apple eco-system with easy integration is extremely important for home use. Airport Extreme is my prime example.
•Power user features continued/added in MacOS Finder and other Apple apps. Stop removing features or hiding app functions. iTunes is a prime example - removal of multiple windows, continual moving around of buttons and tools.
•Don't let app "rewrites" go out missing current functionality again, ever. (Pages/Numbers and FCPX as examples).
•Some professional level scripting capabilities promoted and fostered by Apple, such as Applescript or "Scriptarian" (Swift bridge, scriptarian.com by Matt Rajca), or some other technology to allow integration and automation.
•Full scripting language support in all Apple supplied apps and backwards compatibility for 3rd party apps such as Adobe and Microsoft apps
•Improve fixability in products, especially medium size items like MacBooks, and obviously aforementioned Mac Pro. Replacing batteries shouldn’t require replacing the entire computer. And it should be something a skilled tinkerer be able to handle.

Ultimately, can Apple position its products to be easy for consumers, yet expandable enough or flexible enough for developers, researchers, creative users? Or will Apple let itself be walled-in by it's own actions and designs? It has in the past. Apple -seems- to be putting all its eggs in the iOS basket. I can see the same dynamic happening now as happened in the early 90s. Apple lost its technical lead to the mass market of cheap Windows PCs. iOS development requires desktop power, and content creation (audio, video, print, interactive) requires a desktop OS. iOS needs MacOS. And I want MacOS users to love their experience, not bemoan it's lack of options or being forced to use computers that can't fulfill all their creative needs.

Please direct resources to the MacOS desktop software and hardware. Please keep desktop computing friendly, open, and flexible.
 
I really fear the "completely rethought" wording from Apple's PR. As Marketing has taken over that company, I believe it means that some form of a display-less iPhone is the new Mac Pro, and all should be happy about it.

Glued-in everything, smaller than actually possible, ram and hard drive soldered in etc.

I would eat my hat if the 2017 Mac Pro is actually more user-replaceable internally than the current one, and actually b a computer than can be forgotten by its company for 4 years and yet still get easy upgrades on the aftermarket.
"As Marketing has taken over that company" Did you seriously just write that? Apple of 1977 was arguably more of a marketing company than the Apple of 2017.
 
Oh well... it sounds good first, but when you think of what Apple did the last years, I don't really expect them to come up with an usable Mac Pro line-up. The old Mac Pro was actually perfect and would have only needed a hardware upgrade to make everybody happy, but somehow since some years Apple constantly wants to re-invent the wheel and produces downgrades instead of upgrades. If Phil Schiller talks of a modular concept I really hope they understood to take distance of strange proprietary Apple solutions like the NewMacPros non-standard GPUs, for example. The professional world is tightly interconnected to Windows soft- and hardware and if Apple doesn't respect this with their future Pros, then the last professionals will be gone from MacOS.

--> so... what do we need in a Mac Pro? most importantly:
single and dual xeon configurations,
standard PCI express expansion, standard harddrives, standard memory
space for multiple standard!!! GPUs (nvidia and ati)
drivers to support standard!!! components! (Pascal GPUs for example)
 
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I am kind of curious the main intention of this move?
It is unusual. It is strange.
What happening in Apple?
They are no longer as secrecy.

The last time something like this happened was... well, come to think about it, when the classic Mac Pro tower hadn't been significantly updated for years and they pre-announced the nMP cylinder to reassure pro users....

Basically, they're getting worried about the rumors that they've abandoned the pro market. Maybe a pro software house has been wavering on Mac support, or a big pro customer has been complaining. Perhaps the new Mac Pro was supposed to be available sooner, but has hit delays and they don't think customers will wait.
 
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Still waiting for a major announcement that proves the naysayers are right and that "all Tim Cook cares about are profits".

But a 'spec bump' is all about 'profit'.

Not investing a lot of development, and just showering some new chips on the Mac Pro isn't spending money on R&D, and not cutting the price is all about expecting people to drop cash on basically a Yugo with a slightly larger engine, and maybe power windows. Maybe.

It's all about profit. A 'spec bump' is a 'bone' thrown out to those that would probably buy one anyway, but it's not a 'revolution' that will bring new people to the Mac Pro. They just hope to show there is 'interest' on their part, and stem the flow of people defecting.

Three years?

That's a very very very long time in technology, and a surprising look at how long Apple 'thinks' about some things. If I were a 'pro user', I'd feel somewhat insulted...
 
D800?!

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In hoping this means the next Pro, especially in regards to being "modular", has an Apple-blessed eGPU solution.

This is interesting news for sure. Apple displays are even more interesting. I thought it was odd for them to leave. I mean, if you're making iMacs you're already more than halfway there anyway. (Hope the 5K iMacs gave target display mode.)
 
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Great news for those who have been crying for this..I mean that in the nicest possible way of course
 
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