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Add these to that list:
  • ON1 Photo RAW
  • Luminar
  • DxO Photolab
  • Corel AfterShot Pro 2
  • Alienskin Exposure
And there are even more. I'm sure they could have competed with them, but why would they want to?

Aperture 4 would have been great software and I'd probably be using it, but there's not a lot of strategic value for Apple to be sinking resources into it especially when one of its chief competitors for users and for developers would be their own Photos program.

photos, a competitor to aperture?! You do know that iMovie and Final Cut exist at the same time? What about Garage Band and Logic Pro?! Hell, back in the day iPhoto and Aperture coexisted. Photos is an iPhoto replacement that has less features then iPhoto did. And I’m sure there are a bunch more obscure NLEs or DAWs that ‘compete’ with Final Cut and Logic, but that doesnt matter—Apple having a consumer app and a pro app to grow into is great—it delineates in much the same way that their Pro hardware lineup should
 
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I have been using Luminar 2018 for a while and I like it but there are still times when I want, need and do pop into Aperture to put the finishing touches on an image..... I really, really hate the idea of Aperture totally being unusable in the future!!!!!
 
Yeah, thanks for the reminder about the $80 Apple stole from me when it cancelled this app two months after I installed it.

You mean you have purchased a product which you could use for another 5 years, maybe even longer if you don’t upgrade from Mojave?
Those thieving b@stards.
 
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Keep in mind that even if you keep Aperture running, you can’t use newer cameras. Apple stopped updating raw support.

DNG converter saved me here after I got a new camera. An extra step, but got around the problem.
[doublepost=1556665443][/doublepost]What I will miss in Aperture most of all is my investment in Aperture plugins. Aperture handled quite a few of them quite smoothly. In fact, Aperture is largely a DAM for me as most of my processing happens through plugins.

Most of them exist as stand-alone apps but they integrated quite nicely through Aperture.
 
This ditching of 32 bit support is going to keep me from adopting new the new OS for as long as possible. I have a significant number of old apps critical to various professional workflows that do critical tasks but that are no longer supported. I've never appreciated Apple's periodic enforced software obsolescence policies but this round is going to be especially painful.
 
The rumor is fall. Something about some deadline to get it in front of Olympic photographer organizations by a certain date or something.
That seems to be the running theory. They want the camera for the Olympics.
 
I used Aperture for 10+ years, 65k+ photos, loved it ... and knew this day would come and continued using it, until it failed on me in like last Dec, kept crashing and I lost all my metadata, adjustments, everything except originals.
So I moved on to Lightroom, and still learning it but starting to get used to it.
Still a sad day though ...
 
photos, a competitor to aperture?! You do know that iMovie and Final Cut exist at the same time? What about Garage Band and Logic Pro?!

And those examples actually do compete with each other. They're not direct competitors, but they still do bleed a small bit of support from the flagship application and compete for time and attention from Apple's programmers. There's a small number of people who would buy and use FCP if iMovie didn't exist. Same with Logic Pro and Garage Band.

As for why they feel like this is ok for video and audio, but not photo? I have no idea except to assume that video and audio programs have more strategic importance to the future of the Mac.
 
photos, a competitor to aperture?! You do know that iMovie and Final Cut exist at the same time? What about Garage Band and Logic Pro?! Hell, back in the day iPhoto and Aperture coexisted. Photos is an iPhoto replacement that has less features then iPhoto did. And I’m sure there are a bunch more obscure NLEs or DAWs that ‘compete’ with Final Cut and Logic, but that doesnt matter—Apple having a consumer app and a pro app to grow into is great—it delineates in much the same way that their Pro hardware lineup should
I guess Logic Pro will be next. And then FCPX.
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I used Aperture for 10+ years, 65k+ photos, loved it ... and knew this day would come and continued using it, until it failed on me in like last Dec, kept crashing and I lost all my metadata, adjustments, everything except originals.
So I moved on to Lightroom, and still learning it but starting to get used to it.
Still a sad day though ...
You didn’t have backups?
 
We need it back!!!! Lightroom is not optimised well for macs
Any Adobe product is not optimized for Mac.

I've seen a benchmark video yesterday on YouTube that compared Mac speed vs PC speed. The benchmark tool used was... After Effects. No need to say, the Mac lost by far.
 
And what they did with that time was ... nothing. Hence, all the complaints now.
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If only they had some sort of insight into Apple’s future hardware strategy. Then they would have been able to incrementally adapt to changes like many of their third-party competitors have done.


They did have insight. But that insight told them they had a chance to make some money selling extensions through their App Store. Just like app developers have made them money by being a first choice third-party
 
Any Adobe product is not optimized for Mac.

I've seen a benchmark video yesterday on YouTube that compared Mac speed vs PC speed. The benchmark tool used was... After Effects. No need to say, the Mac lost by far.

Well of course. Because the PC was way better spec than the Mac. I have run real world project tests on my hackintosh in Adobe After Effects and the Windows side is only slightly faster.

Apple will find a way to skew it, but the new iMac with the 8-core i9 is probably faster than all of the iMac Pros and Mac Pros in After Effects. Currently on the Wintel side of things the i9 9900k is the fastest CPU for AfterEffects. The problem with the iMac though is the totally hampered GPU that ships with it.

Puget Systems benchmarking

A hackintosh with a liquid cooled overclocked i9 9900k, with a nVidia 1080ti will eat any currently shipping Mac hardware for lunch in AfterEffects. And on the Wintel side it gets stomped even more since you can use a RTX series card.

Interestingly the Radeon VII puts in a pretty good showing on their benches. Can't wait to see what Navi will bring on the AMD side.
 
If you were on a subscription they would be updating the software. They won't charge you for outdated software, that would just be stupid. Adobe is in the business to make money, so they will keep their apps up to date. Apple doesn't care about old apps anymore. They just let them sit and rot away.

Do you honestly think Adobe will stop making Photoshop or Premiere?
I have no idea what economic theory drives your assertions... Do you not see the asymmetry?

Subscription creates a barrier to exit.

There's the inertia aspect-- rather than taking time to decide whether to upgrade and keeping the money in your pocket, you take time to decide whether to drop the subscription and they keep the money in theirs.

But more importantly there's the fact that if I choose to stop a subscription, I lose access not to the new features, but the old ones as well and, in many cases, to the work I created using that tool.

If I'm running a budget shortfall one month, I might postpone an upgrade. I suppose people could lapse a payment and forfeit access to some form of entertainment, but a small business relying on a subscription software package would be unable to work billable hours for that month and they'd lose access to their clients data.


I don't go to my favorite restaurant every day, slap $10 on the counter and say "I hope you make something tasty on Sunday!", and I sure as heck am not expected to regurgitate what I ate last week if I stop paying this week.


I don't know why you think paying in advance would keep software updated. Prevent it from breaking down, maybe if revenues are sufficiently high, but improve it? They won't charge you for outdated software because that would be stupid? That's not stupid, that's the gravy train.

Here's the feature list for CC2019:
  • You can create a placeholder mask before putting an image in it.
  • Content aware fill got moved to a new workspace.
  • Cmd-Z for undo.
  • Transformation reference point now defaults hidden rather than shown.
  • Double-click to edit text.
  • Commit text by clicking outside the box.
  • Transformations now default to proportional for some objects.
  • You can lock panels to prevent dragging.
  • When you select a blend mode you can see a preview.
  • If you use Photoshop to paint, you can mirror your brush strokes.
  • Color wheel color selector
  • New home screen lobby
  • You can use your own images in the tutorials
  • Distribute spacing of objects (like Adobe Illustrator)
  • Math in number fields
  • Hover to see the full layer name
  • Match Font now support Japanese
  • You can flip the canvas horizontally
  • Lorem Ipsum placeholder text
  • Customize keyboard shortcuts for Select and Mask
  • Preference to increase UI size
  • Support for South East Asian scripts
Maybe the Frames and symmetry brush features are actual features-- just about everything else is UI refinement. I love "lorem ipsum" text as much as the next guy, but this is an update I'd pass on unless I lived in South East Asia. But if I was on the CC treadmill, I wouldn't be able to because I couldn't use CC2018 if I didn't keep paying the man.

It's not just Adobe. Microsoft is in the same boat. I updated from MS Office 2011 to 2019 and I can't even tell you what changed aside from that infernal smiley face in my titlebar. So I'm missing out on all the new features before I update again in 10 years-- doesn't seem like I'm missing enough to get myself roped into Office365.

The software plateaued, and the companies are out of ideas but won't give up the revenue.

If your revenue depends on enticing people to update, then you are motivated to make the updates frequent, timely and valuable. If your revenue is a recurring payment from a credit card, and the user has to go through serious withdrawl if they miss a dose, then there's just not as much motivation.
 
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Were people this upset when Rosetta stopped working?
Yes I was upset. Apple killed off Rosetta just to save a piddly annual license fee owed to IBM, and in doing so they knifed dozens of useful classic MacOS apps, many with no equals in OS X.
 
Hate to break it to you but I don't think Photos will ever be as good. Unfortunately you will need to make a move to something else. Apple will be off of Intel in a few years and I don't think using a virtual machine will be as effective short term. Nows the time to bite the bullet and make the move before you get any deeper. The longer you go the more painful it will be to change later.

Agree 100% that Photos will never be as good - inherently not scaleable - schema/frameworks very limited - very concerned about data lock in; don't like the cloud aspects. I'd make sure the photos are in a folder hierarchy that's independent of Aperture (or any software for that matter) so that there's no lock-in to the software when Aperture no longer runs.

FWIW, Photo Mechanic 6 and Affinity Photo, coupled with Finder, can be a fairly decent, low-cost and efficient/fast workflow solution.

My journey - migrated from Aperture to LR some years ago - never found LR to be that good - slow, clumsy workflow. When Adobe went subscription, i switched to Capture One (v10) - initially it wasn't great - didn't really know whether to go with Catalog's or Sessions; workflow not as straightforward as Aperture, but most of the fundamentals in the software were good. Now CO is on to version 12 - am using Sessions and used to the workflow, it's been very very good. RAW processing outstanding; very fast; professional UI etc etc. Photographers like Thorsten van Overgaard have published some excellent training materials for CO as well, so the eco-system is expanding and seems vibrant - plug-ins etc now available.
 
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I'd make sure the photos are in a folder hierarchy that's independent of Aperture (or any software for that matter) so that there's no lock-in to the software when Aperture no longer runs.

You can still get to the source images even if they’re stuffed in an Aperture or Photos library package. I’m glad there’s another C1P user recommending it as a good Aperture replacement. I brought that up so many times it was starting to feel like I was working for their sales dept.
 
My 2014 iMac is still running High Sierra and I have no inclination nor intention of upgrading the OS anytime in the foreseeable future. And once new Macs can't even run Mojave (and, thus, no more ability to run Aperture), I won't be considering buying a new Mac either.

If I'm going to bother with an all-new photo editing program it's going to be one for a Windows based computer. I'm pretty tired of Apple anyway.

Mark
 
Hi, does anybody know of a photo editing suite that is pretty much an easy one click import, (retaining structure and notes, metatdata etc), from Aperture that isn't Photos.
I don't need anything that powerful at all really and don't mind a little bit of cost.

Thanks.
DX O Optics Pro looks nice and cheap....
 
Apperture + iPhoto was good enough for many prosumer users and therefore good reason to buy a Mac. And those users didn’t buy a cheapest ones. IPhoto was good enough for handling photos, pictures is not. Apple should get Apperture back and make it compatible with Loupedec.
 
Such a shame they killed this off with no good alternative.

I moved to Darktable - it's a few more steps to get results that are as good, but at least open source software doesn't get "killed off" like this.
 
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