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How many people taking iPhone pictures are editing them in the first place.

I'm close to buying an A7iii.

You @‘d me.

I have no idea how many edit.

I have an a7s and a7r-ii. At some point I’ll trade them in or something and invest in an a7r-iii or a9, I guess. Nice cameras.
 
You @‘d me.

I have no idea how many edit.

I have an a7s and a7r-ii. At some point I’ll trade them in or something and invest in an a7r-iii or a9, I guess. Nice cameras.
I'd love an a9 but those are a little pricey even with the discount.

Instagram edited doesn't count IMO. That's just changing a profile.
 
This is probably a dumb question, but does anyone know: if old videos (say, from old digital cameras) are catalogued in Photos are they future-proofed or does the media need to be checked for 64-bit compatibility? If so, can anyone point to any resources for checking this?

I've got a bunch of family videos dating back to about 2002 taken with little digital Canon cameras and the like, that have come along with me from iPhoto to Photos. They all play fine now, but they're worth way too much to lose.

As far as Aperture, it is a shame there isn't a pro photos app, the way FCP X is essentially a pro version of iMovie and Logic is a pro version of GarageBand.

For what I use it for, I find Photos a pretty decent tool for what it does -- especially considering it's free. I like that everything is available on whatever device I'm looking at currently but also all the originals are saved (and backed up) safely on my main iMac. The new extension setup of Photos does let you edit in apps like Photoshop for more comprehensive work, but keeps them inside your library.
Then again, I'm closer to the consumer than the pro end of things and don't have to deal with versioning and the like.

File formats themselves don't have a 32-bit/64-bit compatibility issue. This refers to the Instruction Set of the CPU and how memory can be addressed in RAM. As long as there is a 64-bit Application that will read the file format you'll be fine. Which is the trick....

The file formats should be fine, if possibly difficult to work with. Especially as time goes along and various 3rd party communities take up the challenge of working with legecy data formats. For example, thanks to LibreOffice I finally got access again to many old Cleris and Apple Works files. These files were created as far back as some of the earliest PowerPC Macs under MacOS 7 and 8. I'm now using LibreOffice on a Windows 10 Intel i7 (x86-64, 64 bit) CPU machine.

iPhotos and now Photos Libraries are actually custom Package folders. Similar to how Mac Apps are folders. By right clicking you can "Show Package Contents" and get at internal file structure. It's how I've been rescuing a friend's massive old iPhoto library from the clutches of Photos.

I've also been setting up a VirtualBox guest machine so she can keep running iPhoto under a version of MacOS X that it's stable on. She knows iPhoto, she loves iPhoto, and can't (doesn't) want to commit the time to leanring a new package like Lightroom. She hates Photos and almost had a panic attack when it seemingly discarded most of her custom Albums and Events.
 
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Ok, I think my solution will be virtualization. I will run an older version of Mac OS in a virtual machine in use Aperture in that VM environment. With that I can use it as long as there are Intel Macs. Sounds like an ok solution to me.

Any suggestions for a Mac OS virtualization? And which version of Mac OS would be best for Aperture? Not Mojave as there are too many issues with it and Aperture.
Why go thought all that hassle? Just find a new program to use.
 
Sorry, this was not writing on the wall, this was an email, an iMessage, and a notice pinned to your door. Apple very publicly cancelled the product a long time ago. :)

They also said Photos would continue to develop and features missing from Aperture would be added through extensions. Never happened.
 
Emphasis on past tense.

I'm sure there are a few out there who haven't seen any reason to move on, but it is not the best available by a longshot. The only thing that truly separates Aperture from Photos is Aperture's digital asset management engine. Otherwise, Photos has surpassed Aperture in most other meaningful ways.
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I seriously considered just moving to Photos and had to abandon that plan for this reason. I gave a combo of Photo Mechanic plus other editor programs a shot for a trial run before ultimately settling down on just Capture One Pro alone.
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Capture One Pro is the program Aperture would have been if it kept being developed. Look into it. It even has a conversion tool that will port your Aperture libraries into Capture One Pro and it works pretty well.
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Because Aperture has dozens of credible competitors. It's a waste of their resources to keep pushing into a very crowded space that has no strategic importance to them.

Final Cut has Premiere and Resolve and Avid as competitors—Logic has Ableton to compete with. Aperture would have Lightroom and Capture One as competitors. I don’t see how maintaining Aperture would be any more contentious then maintaining any of their other pro apps.
 
Final Cut has Premiere and Resolve and Avid as competitors—Logic has Ableton to compete with. Aperture would have Lightroom and Capture One as competitors. I don’t see how maintaining Aperture would be any more contentious then maintaining any of their other pro apps.

Someone at Apple needs to draft an Aperture update under the name "Photos+" so Tim will sign off on it
 
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Why go thought all that hassle? Just find a new program to use.

I have more than 100000 picture in Aperture many edited and all in specific albums, I do not want to loose all my legacy work. Also Capture One Pro costs at least 350, that’s a lot of money for me. I do hope one day Apple brings Photos up to spec with Aperture and then I can move.
 
I would love to see a new version of Aperture come, but I seriously doubt that we will ever see it coming. Aperture was my favorite photo management and editing software for years.
 
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Highest quality jpegs are very close to any original. Most software edits are non-destructive like Aperture, i.e. the original data is left alone and a reciepe is saved, so editing has no data loss. When a jpeg or tiff or raw are read into an editor, you have a internal memory representation which is floating point, a float for the Red, one for the Green, and one for the Blue.

A jpeg can potentially have 64 8bit coefficients, it depends on the photo. 64 x 256 (8bits) = 16384 which is a 14 bit number. (See wikipedia)

Take a image, export it as a highest quality jpeg, a 16 bit tiff also. Now read in the jpeg to some editor, and also the tiff. Subtract them. There is very little difference. Almost no one will be able to tell the difference between the jpeg or the tiff version.
JPEG is a lossy 8 bit compressed format. I won't go into the details of the encoding/decoding process, you can look at the Wikipedia article for that, but you're misinterpreting what those coefficients are and what dynamic range they retain.

If you have a finished image that you want to print or display a high quality JPEG might get the job done. Your eye isn't terribly sensitive to the small artifacts that low compression JPEG introduces and most output devices don't support more than 8bits of dynamic range in any event.

For archiving, JPEG isn't really suitable.

As you say, most software edits in modern applications like Aperture are non-destructive. You are forced to freeze those edits when you archive to a flat image file. No way around that really. The question is when you convert from bitmap to jpeg and back, do you get the same image?

The answer is no. Just from the compression alone, you are destroying information in the image.

You're also packing your data into 8bit values. If you started from raw, you may have started with 14bit data, for example-- this retains detail in highlights and shadows that will get crushed out by tone mapping to 8bits.

Even if you start with an 8bit image, as soon as you start modifying it, you start requiring more bits to hold the resulting information. Rounding to 8bit will, again, freeze your current levels but make it impossible to recover any data you've lost in the conversion. If you keep rounding all of your operations to 8bits, you will steadily degrade the image quality and introduce quantization noise into the result. You can see this in the image histogram if you take an 8bit image and increase the contrast significantly-- the histogram starts to look like a gapped tooth comb.
 
I have more than 100000 picture in Aperture many edited and all in specific albums, I do not want to loose all my legacy work. Also Capture One Pro costs at least 350, that’s a lot of money for me. I do hope one day Apple brings Photos up to spec with Aperture and then I can move.
Hate to break it to you but I don't think Photos will ever be as good. Unfortunately you will need to make a move to something else. Apple will be off of Intel in a few years and I don't think using a virtual machine will be as effective short term. Nows the time to bite the bullet and make the move before you get any deeper. The longer you go the more painful it will be to change later.
 
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Final Cut has Premiere and Resolve and Avid as competitors—Logic has Ableton to compete with. Aperture would have Lightroom and Capture One as competitors. I don’t see how maintaining Aperture would be any more contentious then maintaining any of their other pro apps.

Add these to that list:
  • ON1 Photo RAW
  • Luminar
  • DxO Photolab
  • Corel AfterShot Pro 2
  • Alienskin Exposure
And there are even more. I'm sure they could have competed with them, but why would they want to?

Aperture 4 would have been great software and I'd probably be using it, but there's not a lot of strategic value for Apple to be sinking resources into it especially when one of its chief competitors for users and for developers would be their own Photos program.
 
Yep expected. Easily one of Apple's worst decisions to drop Aperture. I will freeze my iMac in time simply to continue using it alone. Simply put lightroom is unintuitive, finicky and not nearly as smooth in operation as Aperture. Capture One is more powerful and accurate for sure but simply does not have the clean GUI as Aperture nor has the efficiency in mass photo management. C-One is geared toward single shot works as per their company's main medium format camera's output. Aperture was the only program that balanced the two worlds of detailed individual image editing and mass library organization. It excelled in intuitiveness and usability with its multimedia uses, seamless external application editing ability, and ease of fine editing capability. No other program came close to that balance and those that tried the best Lightroom and C-One simply lack the uncluttered, easy to interpret and read GUI that Aperture had. I have used all three extensively and Aperture is the clear winner by balance and ease of use. Sad Apple makes such asinine decisions on such great amazing products and instead despite having hundreds of billions in the bank decides rest it laurels on the lowest common denominator "Photos" instead.
 
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Another stupid move to alienate users. We stick with two partitions and two operating systems on one machine or we should stop upgrading.
When Jobs was alive OS X didnt get new version each year. We dont need brand new OS each year with more bugs than earlier versions..
 
dumb rationale, None of the others came close to the sales Aperture racked up. Apple's seamless software and hardware integration only added to the competitiveness of its software. Claiming one shouldn't develop a product because competition exists is ridiculous. You develop a product to destroy the competition, that's the point of doing business. Apple did exactly that in one swoop. Aperture shot apple from a nobody in the photo world to second from the top under Adobe, and in that regard easily beat Lightroom in intuitive ease of use. Anyone claiming LR is best probably has never used Aperture or is dead set against Mac in general
 
I use Aperture because I can import my photos imported outside of Aperture so that I can keep my own catalog tree as I wish and not be tied to the program like you are with Photos, and have the projects sorted by creation date automatically inside Aperture with the help of a script. That's what i'm missing with Photos. I used to use Photostation Pro, but it's expensive, if there is another program that can do this I would be happy to move on from Aperture.
 
There is. It’s called Capture One Pro, and if your shooting RAW, it’s actually better than Aperture (or Apple’s RAW processing engine) or Lightroom. It’s more expensive than Lightroom, but their Aperture importer is actually better too.

That said, the DAM functionality still isn’t as streamlined as what Aperture offered. Five years later and I’m still not ready for forgive Apple for killing Aperture.
C-One was and is designed to support the single shot files that their medium format cameras produce. It was not and is not designed to deal with mass photo sorting or management. Sadly so. C-One also does not have the smooth GUI that aperture does. C-one folks tried to allow users to modify it but it is still difficult to read and not nearly as visually intuitive nor smooth as Aperture. More powerful and accurate sure as their huge medium format files demand but not nearly as balanced as Aperture in management.
 
Killing Apple Aperture and removing the Macbook MagSafe power connector are among Apple's biggest mistakes...
Worse - I can (and have) easily survived without MagSafe. But I have failed to convert from Aperture to Lightroom after years of trying
 
Hate to break it to you but I don't think Photos will ever be as good. Unfortunately you will need to make a move to something else. Apple will be off of Intel in a few years and I don't think using a virtual machine will be as effective short term. Nows the time to bite the bullet and make the move before you get any deeper. The longer you go the more painful it will be to change later.

At one point that might be the case but with virtualization I have a few more years. As long as I have a Intel Mac it will work. BTw - there is a tool to extract all Aperture picture into a folder structure the mirrors the aperture albums. I guess I will try to see if I move away from the managed library and use a folder structure instead. With that I can move to any app and even windows.

This is the app:
https://apertureexporter.com/

Someone with experience with this one?
 
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Yup, take a look at this screenshot. It kinda looks like Aperture doesn't it?

In Aperture, you mostly worked off one a single tools panel. In C1P, those tools that you got used to are now spread across a whole bunch of tool groupings a lots of them seem redundant with other tools. It's hard to figure out which ones to use.

You have the option to create your own tool grouping. I created the one you see in this screenshot. It's my "Favorites" tools. Then I added in all of the tools from Aperture that I was used to so all of my familiar adjustments were now available pretty close to where I was used to finding them.

There are more tools than I started with in this screenshot. When I started, I kept the tools down to just what I was used to, but after a few months I started getting more adventurous and every month or two, I ended up adopting a new tool that I liked. I really had no idea what I was missing. I used to export to Photoshop to make my more involved photo edits, which was time consuming and ate up gobs of disk space. Now, I rarely use anything other than Capture One Pro for actual adjustments. That is one of the best parts. I only venture into Photoshop if I need to create composite images.

If you need convincing that leaving Aperture is the right move, just edit a RAW photo in Aperture and export it to JPEG. Then do the same in Capture One Pro. The one from Capture One Pro will blow away the one exported by Aperture. The RAW engine in Capture One Pro is tops.

Agree with you but cannot get over the fact that the C1 GUI is so cluttered and confusing. I find it a pain to use. Wish so much those Danes would get half a clue from what Aperture users have always heralded...the smooth GUI operation that Aperture has.... come on C1 just make it a bit easier/smoother for us and I'm all on board.
 
I wish Apple would give us the ability to color tag and assign ratings in Photos. If we could do that, Photos could be a credible replacement for Aperture for hobbyists who aren't interested in moving onto a more professional setup.

that was one thing about Aperture that was very handy. and yes having it as a feature in Photos would up the game a lot. Even if they just gave us a plug in supporting version of Photos and a 3rd party created the plug in for adding that data
 
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