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Instead of Apple giving the FBI new backdoor code why doesn't the FBI give the phone to Apple and let Apple do what it can to get the data, if they can. This way, whatever is created is done by Apple and can be destroyed. The only issue I see with any compliance from Apple is that as soon as they submit, they will be served with thousands of court orders to do the same to other devices.

If you've been reading the news, that's exactly what the court ordered Apple to do. Apple is allowed to create the software in-house, use it in-house, then destroy it when they're done (if they want to).
 
Well, they couldn't use that method via the iPhone, as they can't get in the iPhone to see the email anyway. The only other way they "forget my password" would be if they had a computer the guy used and his email client had his email (that he uses to receive apple emails) setup. Then they could send/receive emails from that account. But this requires a computer logged into an account. If he was using FileVault and logged out, forget it.

But why did the FBI change the Apple ID password? That alone won't get them in the phone. Did they think that by changing the apple id password that would change the phone password? Being apple to login to iCloud.com will not let you see anything on your phone that is only on your phone.

Confused...

An email doesn't get sent to your iPhone, it gets sent to your email account. As an example, I can read my emails on my Mac, my iPad, two iPhones, and I can set up a new device to access my email account at any time. Or the FBI could. I can read my emails from multiple places, and so can you with your emails. But first, the email ends up at my ISP. So if they can't read my emails, they can go to my ISP and read my emails there. This guy used his work phone, so the email first went to his employer's email server. If you have a work phone supplied by your employer, most likely the employer has the ability to read all your emails.

And worst case, they could ask Apple to change the criminal's email address on their servers. Apple has stored somewhere "if joe terrorist resets his password, send an email to joe.terrorist@email.com". And they can change that to "if joe terrorist resets his password, send an email to secret.agent@fbi.com". So the "change password" email would now be sent to secret.agent@fbi.com.

The reason why they changed the password was that they couldn't read the terrorists data on iCloud because they didn't know the password. So they did a password reset, changed the password to "FBI" and now they could read his iCloud data. And no, that didn't get them the phone data except for an old backup, and before passwords could be of any use, you must first unlock the phone.

No, Apple does not allow the same password to be used in last year.
I think they do. But it doesn't matter, because nobody knows the old password, so nobody could change it back anyway.

I haven't kept up with this and confused (no surprise). If the county is the owner and changed the pw after the incident, why don't they have the pw now to grant the FBI access?
They have a password that they could use after they unlock the phone. But they can't unlock the phone. They can access the data on iCloud, but on iCloud there is only a several week old backup. And Apple gave them or would have given them that data anyway, so that password change was unnecessary.

Where they messed up: An iPhone makes backups _automatically_ even if it is locked. So Apple's engineers thought they could convince the iPhone to make a new backup (even though it's locked) and they could have picked up the data on iCloud. But the iCloud password was changed. Now the iPhone itself doesn't know the correct password anymore. And they can't change the password back because they don't know the old password. And they can't type in the new password on the iPhone because it is locked.
 
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The Justice Department has not yet responded to the obvious storage of classified material on a private server, TWO YEARS LATER. All current DoJ decisions are political first. Justice is a facade with this Executive Branch administration.

And she (HRC) will not be indicted even though the FBI has her dead to right...... but they will beat the hell out of Apple in the media.
 
And she (HRC) will not be indicted even though the FBI has her dead to right...... but they will beat the hell out of Apple in the media.
Where did you hear this about HRC? I mean they've kept it so quiet, and the media never says anything. I can only guess that you have a personal contact in the FBI that talks only to you.

How does HRC end up with 100% positive media coverage and Apple just gets beaten up?
 
Yeah, and the leading Republican Presidential candidate has called for a boycott of Apple over this. For politicians, this is a very tough call, mostly because they don't understand the technology enough to know that what the FBI is asking for is not possible because there is no way to put in a back door that bad guys won't find.
This is exactly why we need to get some educated people and experts in different fields to be in the government to represent us.
Still remember some nut job thought that a female body has the ability to prevent pregnancy from a rape...
 
Too bad they couldn't ask Apple to, for this one account, accept any password provided by the iCloud backup program, when it is connected to a known Wifi spot. This would allow the phone to back itself up.

Could also turn on logging, within iCloud infrastructure, to capture the passwords being sent from that one account, and set the password back to the old password. I'm sure their engineers have some ideas that do not involve compromising the phone.
 
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They have a password that they could use after they unlock the phone. But they can't unlock the phone. They can access the data on iCloud, but on iCloud there is only a several week old backup. And Apple gave them or would have given them that data anyway, so that password change was unnecessary.

Where they messed up: An iPhone makes backups _automatically_ even if it is locked. So Apple's engineers thought they could convince the iPhone to make a new backup (even though it's locked) and they could have picked up the data on iCloud. But the iCloud password was changed. Now the iPhone itself doesn't know the correct password anymore. And they can't change the password back because they don't know the old password. And they can't type in the new password on the iPhone because it is locked.

Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me. Much appreciated.
 
Where did you hear this about HRC? I mean they've kept it so quiet, and the media never says anything. I can only guess that you have a personal contact in the FBI that talks only to you.

How does HRC end up with 100% positive media coverage and Apple just gets beaten up?

Guess you are not watching the right media. From the leaks I've read HRC has more than violated the law with her server stuff. If the FBI recommends indictment, will the DOJ make it happen.
 
FBI, NSA, & CIA, could not find their way out of a paper bag with the use of both hands, a mirror, and a flashlight.

Oh the arrogance of incompetence, truly a stunning display of stupidity.

Their preference in personal computing (I mean their own) probably runs to Android, Windows. If that is the case, then unfamiliarity with how stuff "just works" in the Apple ecosystem is not all that surprising to me. Although AFTER THIS CASE, one could expect that to change...
 
I thought you needed the original password to reset the password
Obviously not. The only reason they changed the password was that they didn't have the old one. So some half-smart person figured out that they could read the data on the perpetrators iCloud account (to which they didn't know the password) by setting up a new password.
 
LOL. Isn't he wanted for murder or something? LOL Insanity at its finest right there!

This guy is such a nut case just read the full wiki to learn about some of the stupid things he did..On the picture he looks drunk and homeless. Haha...

-Mike
 
Guess you are not watching the right media. From the leaks I've read HRC has more than violated the law with her server stuff. If the FBI recommends indictment, will the DOJ make it happen.

The "leaks I've read" (sic).... Give me a break!
Call me back when this happens, otherwise it's just a lot of blah blah blah and posturing on your part.
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If you've been reading the news, that's exactly what the court ordered Apple to do. Apple is allowed to create the software in-house, use it in-house, then destroy it when they're done (if they want to).

No they can't because then they'll be a trial and the defense and needs access to it (and it's expert), etc, etc , etc.
There is no "destruction" once it's made for many years.
 
My privacy.

EVERYONES privacy.
If Apples does this, then EVERY government in the world will demand exactly the same thing, access to phone of those they class as criminals.

If the US does not give it, the next you will hear is how the US supports Terrorists, and criminals.

They may also decide US citizens are "less entitled" to the protection of the law in those countries than say anyone else, after all if America supports terrorists....

Next issue is what is a criminal. We can freely lampoon our politicians , try making fun of the Thai royal family and see what kind of prison sentence you get. We also mock our religions, public figures, etc, Try that in some cultures/countries.

Then we get into those countries who are intolerant of Gays, Albinos, different religions, different cultures.
We have governments who would love to know who reporters talk to, where they go.

Even the US is becoming a worry, you have presidential hopefuls who are justifying torture, xenophobia,intolerance . If the US citizens will tolerate this in their leaders, how much worse will it get ?

The US is about to set the world back 100 years.
 
If you've been reading the news, that's exactly what the court ordered Apple to do. Apple is allowed to create the software in-house, use it in-house, then destroy it when they're done (if they want to).
No, I'm pretty sure that is NOT what they want. The FBI wants Apple to hand them code - they can't or won't give Apple the phone. At least that is my understanding...
 
I can only assume here the government was the one who changed the password, why they did this *before* getting at what they were after, i'll never know....... We are talking about the FBI aren't we? Arn''t these people suppose to be professionals ? They start better thinking like one.

Any idiot (even a professional idiot) would know if u want information, u get at it before u change anyting, not use the notion after u changed, then say "i can't get in" well, of course not.
 
This is exactly why we need to get some educated people and experts in different fields to be in the government to represent us.
Still remember some nut job thought that a female body has the ability to prevent pregnancy from a rape...
FBI certainly stands for F*ing Bunch of Imbeciles...

Don't forget the congresswoman who wanted to see where the Astronauts left the American flag on Mars...

The killers already destroyed their personal phones, this was a work phone, there is nothing on it. Period.
 
Guess you are not watching the right media. From the leaks I've read HRC has more than violated the law with her server stuff. If the FBI recommends indictment, will the DOJ make it happen.
So, according to the media you watch, HRC is the one getting beaten up in the media. You made it seem like she wasn't.
 
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