Apple Says Claims Face ID Was Downgraded to Speed Up Production Are 'Completely False'

[Millah]

No we can't. The discrepancies most often come between the information from Apple suppliers and Apple itself. You are free to believe what Apple says but keep in mind they have much more incentive to lie in such cases than the suppliers (which hardly have any incentive to do it). In this case, if Sharp says that they are mounting the modules with relaxed margins and Apple says that they did not change anything what exactly makes Apple more believable?
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And Apple is not? Interesting.

And....you’re just going to blindly believe that Bloomberg’s story came from genuine, legitimate sources from within the company manufacturing the Face ID components?
Yea, suppliers have no incentive to lie. But Bloomberg does. Suppliers also have ZERO incentive to spread gossip about their most important customer’s proprietary manufacturing specs. You’re talking about multi million dollar contracts on the line if they start blabbing about proprietary specifications.

The thing that gets me is that you are actually pretending like the manufacturing partner is the one publishing the story. Bloomberg published the story according to “people familiar with the matter.” And Bloomberg most certainly has interest in publishing a juicy story that warrants a response from Apple. *Click click click* That’s the sound of ad revenue pouring in.

 

[wittyphrase]

To degrade the specs at the last minute would have cost more time, not less. Wake up people.

Also, that piece of fake news has been carefully timed to go out when everyone in California was sleeping. Just like you do when you launch an atomic first strike

That time in California when everyone is still sleeping...conveniently known as "morning" here on the east coast.

 

[djcingular]

It's not unusual to decline to comment. PR probably wanted to get with higher ups before they said anything.

I get that...my concern is should we be surprised that they denied downgrading specs?

 

[tkukoc]

Care to quote where Apple said the iPhone X has “more viewable real estate than iPhone 8 Plus”

Because I’ve never seen Apple make such a claim. In fact quite the opposite. The developer videos posted by Apple in WWDC app reiterate multiple times in a single video that the display has the exact same pt dimensions as a 4.7” iPhone, with additional height. They then compare it to the Plus display, which has more horizontal points.

They can’t lie to developers when it’s KIND OF important for them to get layouts adjusted properly.

You can’t just make things up in your mind to argue something you’ve convinced yourself to be true.

I believe you have just answered your own question perfectly with that last line, you've already convinced yourself otherwise without looking at all the facts or been privy to information otherwise.

 

[kingofwale]

"The quality and accuracy of Face ID haven't changed."

1.... what Apple saying is its quality and accuracy hasn't changed.

2... no deny on the parts being downgraded.



my feeling? they are 100% using different parts, however the affect on user is mininal (just like the whole chip-gate)

 

[gavroche]

They had problems with getting underscreen fingerprint ID working so FaceID was pushed apparently.

haha... so tragically misinformed and uneducated...

 

[cult hero]

Doesn't matter. Once these phones are in the wild and being reviewed, we're gonna have a good idea about how good or gimmick this really is. I'm leaning toward "good."

 

[mi7chy]

Must be true if Apple are denying it otherwise their usual response to something false is to not comment.

Makes sense that they have to dial down Face ID security considering it failed on stage when Craig Federighi was wearing stage makeup. Question is, if the false positive rate was 1 in 1,000,000 then what is it now? 1 in 500,000? Either way it's much weaker security than iris scanner that's 1 in 1.4 trillion with both eyes.

 

[hasanahmad]

Hot take: the accuracy WAS 2,000,000 : 1 and was downgraded to 1,000,000: 1 as they announced in the conference

 

[Mr. Donahue]

Go Timmy, Go!!!!!!!!

 

[citysnaps]

True or not.. what else would you expect Apple to say in this case?

Expect? First, I would expect people to not treat unsourced rumors as fact. And instead show even just a tiny bit of intellectual skepticism, using common sense.

I know, that's not reasonable - people love slurping up a big bowl of FAKE NEWS and regurgitating it out when it suits their anti-Apple agenda.

 

[hasanahmad]

"The quality and accuracy of Face ID haven't changed."

1.... what Apple saying is its quality and accuracy hasn't changed.

2... no deny on the parts being downgraded.



my feeling? they are 100% using different parts, however the affect on user is mininal (just like the whole chip-gate)

they LITERALLY said the accuracy of 1,000,000 is still the same. What are you thinking

 

[gavroche]

I trust Apple as much as I would trust a teenager. That would be not at all.

Out of curiosity, what has Apple done that has caused you to not trust them? Serious question..

 

[BeefSupreme]

Its possible that both side's stories are true. Bloomberg may be reporting on facts that were from pre-production. Maybe originally it was 45,000 dots and they scaled it back to 30,000/for better yields.

 

[gavroche]

...if you are going to blindly buy something that is completely unproven in the field based purely on gut faith in Apple.

Haha, what a ridiculous statement. You buy new products that you think will meet your needs and make you happy. If you dont think so, you buy something else. You think there is some magical way to know if some new product or tech is going to work the way you hope or expect in advance? So dumb. I guess you wait one year on the market before buying any new consumer electronic (TV, Blu Ray Player, whatever).
My god the nonsense people write. Blindly buying. Jesus.

 

[tkukoc]

Expect? First, I would expect people to not treat unsourced rumors as fact. And instead show even just a tiny bit of intellectual skepticism, using common sense.

I know, that's not reasonable - people love slurping up a big bowl of FAKE NEWS when it suits their anti-Apple agenda.

True, there are plenty of those people out there. But my comment wasn't about it's totally true!! The sky is falling!! nor was I saying.. FAKE NEWS!!!! I'm simply saying.. What exactly was Apple going to say in this situation? It was an obvious statement. True or not.. they were never going to say.. oh these guys are totally right over here! If there is a problem.. it was corrected, more than likely that is where this story originated from. A small shred of truth that was blown up to something completely outrageous. But not 1 person here 100% knows the reality of it besides those directly involved. It's a phone! Still cracks me up how insane this whole thing is.

 

[Mockenrue]

I will admit I was wrong, I felt the other news story reporting that they lowered the accuracy was plausible, its clear that Apple is denying the action - kudos to them.

Denials like these can be very specific - it's a common technique in customer relations. That is: the underlying story could be mostly true, but some details are wrong so it can be categorically denied.

My optimism has been shrinking - with a mindset something like this:

• A few years ago: I really wish Macs were better and I want a great Mac Mini. Well they're focusing on the next great iPhone!
  
• Last year: The iPhone is still good, but it hasn't changed much in years. Well, there's a next gen iPhone coming!
• This year: The next gen iPhone isn't that exciting. I still want a great Mac Mini.

The best thing about the iPhone X is the smaller bezels, but the Moto X did that in 2013. I actually owned that phone and it was a fantastic form factor. I just didn't like Android as much as iOS so I switched back to the iPhone.

 

[JosephAW]

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[citysnaps]

True, there are plenty of those people out there. But my comment wasn't about it's totally true!! The sky is falling!! nor was I saying.. FAKE NEWS!!!! I'm simply saying.. What exactly was Apple going to say in this situation? It was an obvious statement. True or not.. they were never going to say.. oh these guys are totally right over here! If there is a problem.. it was corrected, more than likely that is where this story originated from. A small shred of truth that was blown up to something completely outrageous. But not 1 person here 100% knows the reality of it besides those directly involved. It's a phone! Still cracks me up how insane this whole thing is.

I think you're missing my point...

Before asking the rhetorical, "Well, what would you expect Apple to say," as if Apple would reflexively and intentionally lie, a much more appropriate question is, "Why would you believe an unsourced rumor lock stock and barrel, like it was fact?"

That's the problem today. People are not very fussy when it comes to assessing "news." Especially when one has a firmly held narrative begging for support, and a juicy piece of fake news is ripe for the taking.

It's a real shame journalism isn't a required subject in high school today. Not for creating more journalists in the world, but to help consumers of news better understand what quality reporting is about, and what the difference is between rumor, editorial, and fact-checked and sourced news.

EDIT: The above is in no way a dig on MacRumors. This is a rumors site after all.

 

[roar08]

folks - you must believe everything posted on the interwebs.

I don't believe this.
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I know, that's not reasonable - people love slurping up a big bowl of FAKE NEWS and regurgitating it out when it suits their anti-Apple agenda.

I started using almond milk in my fake news - so much healthier!

 

[newyorksole]

I will admit I was wrong, I felt the other news story reporting that they lowered the accuracy was plausible, its clear that Apple is denying the action - kudos to them.

I’m glad you can admit it. I knew it was bogus. I literally said that Apple will address it and here we are.

 

[jacjustjac]

So is anyone going to do a field study and actually test the “1 in a million false positive” claim? I assume the “1 in 50,000” Touch ID was too difficult, with all the touching, you know?

But Face ID is way easier, just walk down the street in New York City or Shanghai, holding it in front of you, and see if it unlocks!

 

[rowspaxe]

Would I give a flying monkey? Personally of course not. I would take a smaller form factor device with a larger screen to body ration anytime instead of a large brick with a decade old style bezels. Reason I never got the plus version of iPhone is the ridiculous size of the overall device. Far to large to go in a guys pocket!

Then get a purse!

 

[tkukoc]

I think you're missing my point...

Before asking the rhetorical, "Well, what would you expect Apple to say," as if Apple would reflexively and intentionally lie, a much more appropriate question is, "Why would you believe an unsourced rumor lock stock and barrel, like it was fact?"

That's the problem today. People are not very fussy when it comes to assessing "news." Especially when one has a firmly held narrative begging for support, and a juicy piece of fake news is ripe for the taking.

It's a real shame journalism isn't a required subject in high school today.

I totally got your point. My original comment was directed more as a statement then a real question. But that's the internet for you. People take something written and interpret it out of context, throwing someone under the bus. It is what it is... and for clarification here.. no I'm not saying you are doing that.

 

[cutmoney]

Fake news!