And what people need to realize, when Epic gets what they want it will get exclusivity rights - as been shown and proven time and time again on PC. Taking games OFF of Steam and having it on the Epic Games Store exclusively. This will certainly happen on iOS. Therefore, if I want a specific app that Epic CHOSE to take from the App Store, I would need to BREAK my walled garden setup to get it. So no, not necessarily that we can all keep our walled garden.
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Apple Says Epic Games 'Wants Us to Be Android, But We Don't Want to Be'
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The problem with that line of thinking is there's no guarantee the developer will sell the app via the App Store. The developer might be like "I don't like the rules of the App Store so I won't make a Mac version at all." At least with the way it is, you have a choice to install Steam or not. With App Store only, you don't.
Until there is a security flaw in that switch. Just having the switch can introduce security flaws.
Yes, having a single payment system and needing to go to only one store is convenient. However, the problem with a single App Store model is it's not required to have every app you need.
Well said. And this is a potential security risk for OTHERS. Why do you think I have a separate VLAN for guests at my house? Because there was a time when someone visited, had a virus, and infected others on the network. Why should I suffer for someone wanting to play a questionable Candy Crush ripoff that included malware, and they joined my network?
I don't think we want that to suddenly vindicate Apple. If this does eventually need to force Apple to change, they should target the entire industry. Not just target Apple just because its Apple.
This isn't the 2000s anymore, the "consoles" are more than just gaming devices now. Its not like an SNES where you just play games.
I had to get rid of the GOG on my Mac. I wasn't using it often and it always started with my computer EVEN with the setting turned off and it was not included in my login items.
We are not saying iOS doesn't have issues. But to break the "walled garden" is going to help this how exactly? Is that going to suddenly make it MORE secure? No. The ONLY way to make it more secure is to make the App Review process take weeks or months. Have Apple look through your code and test your entire app. But developers would not go for this.Malware for iOS - The iPhone Wiki
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Unprecedented new iPhone malware discovered | Malwarebytes Labs
Google announced late last night that hacked websites have been used to drop iPhone malware on unsuspecting users over a two-year period.blog.malwarebytes.com
New iPhone Threat: These 17 ‘Trojan’ Apps May Be On Your Device—Delete Them Now
iPhone users are being warned about malware within apps from the App Store—here are 17 you should ensure you have not installed.www.forbes.com
More than 1,200 iPhone apps infected with malware — what you need to know
Ad-serving framework conceals malicious behavior from Applewww.tomsguide.com
I think we all know how to search the web and cherry pick malware articles!
You only have to deal with one store for buying, payment, service and refund.
Also Apple protect you from the developer knowing anything about you.
It is like going to a book store instead of going to each individual author. You don't want to deal with authors since many of them will be vile creatures.
what about phone as this one?☎︎- look even better than Nokia -it's great isn't ?☎︎
This is a common counter argument. So you are saying we don't have to use Microsoft Office, Adobe, any games and more? Then you don't need to use the App Store. Period. If you don't foresee that we will have potentially dozens of stores that we don't need, then we don't even need those apps to begin with. So what is the point? Just don't use any apps then.
HOWEVER, if I DO want to use Office, Adobe, games, etc I WOULD be forced to "unlock" my device because it is NOT on the App Store now.
The problem becomes, I want that switch… I need that switch, I have a right to that switch.
it is my device I should be able to do with it as I please, it’s OK if I’m in the minority and a bunch of people don’t want it or care.
If the switch existed they could choose to have it disabled which would be the default let’s be real.
so right now the alternative is those millions of people are on older versions of iOS, running jailbreaks so you’re increasing the security flaws tenfold while also discouraging them from ever upgrading or in some cases buying new supplementary devices because they rely on newer versions of iOS.
Whether you want that switch or not, not having it is a detriment not a advantage and security vulnerabilities will exist regardless of said switch, by forcing people to not have a switch you’re just encouraging bad behavior like never updating etc, jailbreaking etc.
but similar to being “green“ and right to repair it’s not like Apple actually cares about their users, they’ll just put out more propaganda and hope that enough people remain ignorant and continue to buy their devices And it works more often than not because even I am aware of the shady stuff and their anti-customer stances and yet, I still buy their stuff every time they do an event.
The problem is in fact you can't get stores like the App Store in other walks of life.
Think about buying accommodations and there were only one service to rent/buy all of them and all hotels and landlords had to use this one service.
They would all have the same pricing structure, you would only have one payment registration and if you had any problems the store would just redeem your money without you dealing with the hotel or landlord.
Sorry, but this whole "computer in pocket" nonsense just needs to stop. Its MORE Than a computer, its a PHONE. I NEED it during emergencies. Therefore, that SINGLE REASON alone, it should have WAY more security that a generic computer needs. But also, my iPhone has all my tracking data, my financial data, my health data, and more that my computers do NOT have. So yes, sorry, but I think iPhones need to have more security than standard computers do.
And that is why almost all developers agrees to Apples term and release their software for iOS which benefits me as a user who don't care about developers.
I want only one store and if developers must pay the price for my convenience, I have no problems with that.
Malware for iOS - The iPhone Wiki
Unprecedented new iPhone malware discovered | Malwarebytes Labs
Google announced late last night that hacked websites have been used to drop iPhone malware on unsuspecting users over a two-year period.New iPhone Threat: These 17 ‘Trojan’ Apps May Be On Your Device—Delete Them Now
iPhone users are being warned about malware within apps from the App Store—here are 17 you should ensure you have not installed.More than 1,200 iPhone apps infected with malware — what you need to know
Ad-serving framework conceals malicious behavior from Apple
I think we all know how to search the web and cherry pick malware articles!
I was responding to “I never heard of malware on android.” What does iOS malware have to do with that?
If apps can be sideloaded that means that there is now a mechanism to run apps that you never intended to run and which may be malware. Thanks for opening my phone to malware.
Thank you for bringing up Cydia in this discussion. It proves that a third party app store can be setup in iOS without Apple's assistance whatsoever. Apple set up rules for it's own platform on what's allow and what's not. If you want to do something Apple does not support, you're on your own. And enterprising developers actually found ways to install their own store for iOS.
If you think Cydia is insanely well-made, wouldn't you think that the iOS App Store is like heaven? The last time I tried Cydia, which I have to admit, is probably 4-5 years ago (apologies, memory failing me), it leaves a lot to be desired. Many apps do not work, as it is not maintained. It is hard to search for apps, and the navigation is terrible. In short, the user experience is awful. But hey, I'm glad you loved it.
You probably didn't really read my post that you're responding to. Again, you are free to install whatever you like to your iOS device. Just don't expect any help from Apple.
And finally, if installing any software you want on your mobile device is important, then I think iOS devices is probably not for you. Android would be a better fit? Why do you insist on making Apple do something they are not willing to do?
If there was no App Store on a product - like iPod classic - no one would think Epic Games had a case.
If there was no App Store, but select third-parties were allowed to build apps - like YouTube/Maps on the original iPhone - no one would think Epic Games had a case.
If Apple is in the wrong here, what on Earth are the rules?
If there was no App Store, but select third-parties were allowed to build apps - like YouTube/Maps on the original iPhone - no one would think Epic Games had a case.
If Apple is in the wrong here, what on Earth are the rules?
Man, I find it completely laughable that people really feel like iOS would become Android or something simply by allowing users to have a choice. Apple could very easily allow for users to have to opt in to allowing third party stores and apps, even after a whole bunch of warnings and whatnot. Sure some people willingly choose to stick to a walled garden, but the fact that they feel like users shouldn't at least have a choice to install third party stuff is very sad.
Their "walled garden" has lasted for over 30 years now. It's why most people buy into the Apple ecosystem. I can be wrong but, I think that the gamer/hacker population using the Apple ecosystem is only a small fraction of their total user base.
Here is a chance for them to develop an alternate product for those people.
Right. If we wanted them to be like Android we would have Android.
If this were even REMOTELY true, it would have been happening on Android already. But it doesn't, because Epic isn't trying to be its own app store that has other apps as well. It only wants to offer its own games that they then port over to mobile as well.
I suspect that the vast majority would stick to the walled garden.
I find it interesting that after all of the decades that Apple had been the walled garden and everybody knows the, but they still buy into and bitch about it. I think that Apple could set up an alternative server system to house those other apps and maybe instead of charging a percentage, do it the way AWS does. Charge x dollars per GB stored on their server and per GB uploaded and downloaded. They can still monitor all data for malware and remove or quarantine anything bad.