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Apple Says Epic Games 'Wants Us to Be Android, But We Don't Want to Be'
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Because most people would not understand the implications of such switch.
I'm a Mac (and Watch) user that hates iOS and only use it because it's the least bad overall option for my circumstance.
If there was a convenient way to sync another less crippled phone OS with my other devices I'd be using it. For now, I'll stick to used iPhones and never buy anything from the App Store.
If there was a convenient way to sync another less crippled phone OS with my other devices I'd be using it. For now, I'll stick to used iPhones and never buy anything from the App Store.
we must take Fortnite to court for their monopol for games, they overcharge us !!!You can buy Fortnite V-Bucks gift cards at your local grocery store.
So clearly Epic has already figured out this "outside the App Store" thing...
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Speak for yourself, I very much want iOS to not be like macOS, so do many others. Heck I’d prefer if the AppStore
we’re MUCH more selective. Instead of having to wade through a lot of the garbage that’s in there id actually prefer of there was a more curated approach, but guess what? Apple chose a different option, and I didn’t sue to get my way, I decided that the trade off was worth it. I made a choice.
Second, nowhere do they suggest it’s “radical” to allow apps installed from elsewhere. The idea is that iOS specifically takes a different approach, with different advantages and disadvantages, like any choice, and that’s me reason why many people choose it. And again Apple is RIGHT. If side loading and alternate app stores are a huge priority for someone they ALREADY have something (Android) that offers that. There is zero need for the courts to force Apple to change because the alternative is already there. Forcing Apple to change reduces customer choice.
And no, iOS is not the only major OS that doesn’t allow side loading. Every console OS does it that way too.
And so what if it’s the only one that doesn’t? It’s not a secret. If you don’t like that approach don’t buy an iPhone. It’s super easy.
Epic broke a contract, should pay compensation for Apple
Because it requires Apple to devote resources they don’t want to develop and support a feature they don’t want to offer in the first place, a feature that would degrade the security experience and open iOS up to exploits that Apple then has to deal with, along with angry customers who will blame Apple for their own mistakes.
Why should Apple be forced to do that? Especially when people can already buy an Android device that offers exactly those things anyway? That’s the choice, Apple = closed, Android = open. Take your pick.
Remember when iOS blocked flash?
What if it’s the rest of the world who is wrong?
me opposite- I wish Epic bankruptcy as to anyone if is breaking signed contract
Yeah no. Apple could never make or publish a game and Epic would still be wrong. It doesn’t matter if Epic makes better or more popular games, that shouldn’t give Epic the right to force Apple to allow Epic to do whatever it wants. Epic is free to offer its games under Apples rules or not. They are also free to offer their games elsewhere. Period. End of story.
Of I owned a building and you wanted to run a restaurant in my building you’d have to agree to my rules (for example, no smoking, no alcohol, etc). if you don’t like those rules, that’s fine, open your restaurant somewhere else. It wouldn’t matter if you are a better chef than me, you shouldn’t get to tell me to change my rules just because you wanted it.
Just passing by to say that man does not control women and the fact that you just compared women to a product is the most unfortunate comparison I’ve seen today.It's their system. Their product. Naturally, they have control. Monopolists they say but do you want other men to touch your wife?
Can any devs shed some light on how using a 3rd party payment option, in-app, is less secure? I'm just curious.
The way I see it, the app will need to be verified that it's safe to use so surely this will include checking the payment API too.
Also, say I want to pay with ApplePay, are the banks charged 30% for each transaction?
The way I see it, the app will need to be verified that it's safe to use so surely this will include checking the payment API too.
Also, say I want to pay with ApplePay, are the banks charged 30% for each transaction?
I wish people like you would realize it’s a non-trivial demand to allow side loading like you ask. Aside from the engineering and testing to implement it in the first olacr, it would open up potential holes in Apples security model that would require more resources. It would demand greater support from Apple on the customer side to deal with the inevitable complaints when people install things that disrupt the iPhone experience and introduce malware, etc on their phones.
You are asking Apple to devote a ton of resources to support a feature it doesn’t want to offer. Why should they be forced to do that? If that kind of experience is what you want, you can already get it on Android. Literally no one is stopping you from getting it.
That is a really good idea - a class full of law students could represent the billions of Apple consumers that appreciate the research, development and maintainance of a fair and safe software platform.
and Epic should pay compensation also-they broke a contract !!!
Well aren't you the hero. perhaps you need a Nokia?
On one hand I can see why much smaller companies than Epic would profit from direct payment options if the court ruled against Apple, but as a customer I have to defend the security and ease of use of in-app purchases through App Store.
I don't know the details, but if Apple only had to lower the App Store tax, it would profit devs and wouldn't hurt their customers.
I don't care if a trillion dollar company will start losing profits.
I don't know the details, but if Apple only had to lower the App Store tax, it would profit devs and wouldn't hurt their customers.
I don't care if a trillion dollar company will start losing profits.
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Why am I forced to install app's through Appstore? If you want the exposure and convenience of using the App Store that's fine - but the fact I cannot install whatever software I want on my computer in my pocket is insane.
The same people defending Apple's POV here and the same people who would riot the streets and switch to Windows if Apple forced you to buy all software through App Store on Mac.
iOS devices are computers and should be treated as such.
The same people defending Apple's POV here and the same people who would riot the streets and switch to Windows if Apple forced you to buy all software through App Store on Mac.
iOS devices are computers and should be treated as such.
So this is a like Apple setting up a successful Mall after years of building expanding and implement, with decent security reasonable rent* nice clean floors more and more customers by the day and Epic demands to come and set up a flea market in the Foyer and refuse to pay the electric and service charges.
*As a small developer I was happy with 30% - even more with 15% - As I remember the bad old days of CD/DVD pressing, manuals, Boxes, production, shipping, storage and massive retail cut where you'd be luck to take home 40%.
What's next - People demanding that Tesla open up its self driving and OS and that you can sell stuff on that.
Apple built the hardware and software. It's entirely their right to Say how it operates, for business use and for the safety WE ALL BOUGHT INTO. I don't want want Android even via a switch. The second the OS is that open is the moment I'll start getting calls from my parents, brother, Friends who know nothing about computers wondering why their phone is spamming porn, locked up with a demand from money or their bank account has been emptied.
Epic don't want choice. They want to stand on the shoulders and eat all the pie.
*As a small developer I was happy with 30% - even more with 15% - As I remember the bad old days of CD/DVD pressing, manuals, Boxes, production, shipping, storage and massive retail cut where you'd be luck to take home 40%.
What's next - People demanding that Tesla open up its self driving and OS and that you can sell stuff on that.
Apple built the hardware and software. It's entirely their right to Say how it operates, for business use and for the safety WE ALL BOUGHT INTO. I don't want want Android even via a switch. The second the OS is that open is the moment I'll start getting calls from my parents, brother, Friends who know nothing about computers wondering why their phone is spamming porn, locked up with a demand from money or their bank account has been emptied.
Epic don't want choice. They want to stand on the shoulders and eat all the pie.
Off you pop and buy a Samsung then. See how far that gets you... oh about 3 years till they stop producing any critical updates for it.
And if you don't understand why side loading is bad for a CONSUMER device go look at windows and the $150B anti virus industry.
It will be hacked. It will end up with Trojans and Viruses and it will end up with your granny calling you 10 times a week to fix her phone.
I wouldn't mind if they are forced to allow third party applications like every operating system on the planet. It is not that people are forced in sideloading or turning the toggle on. Every one can continue using the App Store, privacy and security mechanism that they have today (and spend more money in the process).
They will soon be forced to included ballot screens anyway for default apps like Microsoft and Google were back in the day now that they are losing the Spotify battle too in the EU.
Most Apple fans here basically say 'we pay for technological tyranny and censorship by a trillion dollar company'. This kind of attitude in life got the world into a lot of problems the past years.
Time will tell how the EU trial and the Epic trial will go but I would love to see lose Apple for once bigtime so they don't act like the tech bully they are with legions of believers defending them for everything they do. I have a lot of Apple stuff as well but I am not blind by all the wrong things they do either.
They will soon be forced to included ballot screens anyway for default apps like Microsoft and Google were back in the day now that they are losing the Spotify battle too in the EU.
Most Apple fans here basically say 'we pay for technological tyranny and censorship by a trillion dollar company'. This kind of attitude in life got the world into a lot of problems the past years.
Time will tell how the EU trial and the Epic trial will go but I would love to see lose Apple for once bigtime so they don't act like the tech bully they are with legions of believers defending them for everything they do. I have a lot of Apple stuff as well but I am not blind by all the wrong things they do either.
It's their system. Their product. Naturally, they have control. Monopolists they say but do you want other men to touch your wife?
So if we are the wife, isn’t that *our* decision to make? Or are we just there to get screwed by the Christian Grey of big tech?
So this Sweeney guy thinks he represents the consumer. I dont recall going to him and being like "hey apple charges developers way too much. You have more money than brains. Can you do something about it. Oh wait you were already planning in advance for something like this. Oh really way in advance. Cool man thanks.