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Are you really going to question Google's smart sound algorithm?

Homepod was delayed for a reason, because it's most likely vaporware.

Yes I am, having worked as a sound engineer for 30 years.

The Max doesn’t have drivers arranged 360 degrees like the HomePod and as such is extremely limited in how it can direct the sound in your room. It’s literally a generic front-firing speaker like a gazillion others. Further, the Max doesn’t have microphones arranged in 360 degrees either - they’re on the front. So it can’t do complex time-domain measurements of its location/room.

I don’t care what Google claims Smart Sound can do - it can’t get around the laws of physics. The ONLY thing it might beat the HomePod at is bass, having 2 drivers. But we won’t know until someone tests them. The HomePod bass driver looks a lot beefier than the ones in the Max and has a ridiculous 20mm excursion.
 
Like to have been in Tim's office when they told him it would not be ready for the Christmas/Holiday period.
Tim said, "that's ok. I ha e already fooled enough with iPhone 8 and X. Can't do three times a row."
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Yes I am, having worked as a sound engineer for 30 years.

The Max doesn’t have drivers arranged 360 degrees like the HomePod and as such is extremely limited in how it can direct the sound in your room. It’s literally a generic front-firing speaker like a gazillion others. Further, the Max doesn’t have microphones arranged in 360 degrees either - they’re on the front. So it can’t do complex time-domain measurements of its location/room.

I don’t care what Google claims Smart Sound can do - it can’t get around the laws of physics. The ONLY thing it might beat the HomePod at is bass, having 2 drivers. But we won’t know until someone tests them. The HomePod bass driver looks a lot beefier than the ones in the Max and has a ridiculous 20mm excursion.
But 360 degree speakers can't create directional sound. But then you may say now that Apple has software that can do so. So then Google can too.
 
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Lol Alexa and google assistant. We are talking about the voice assistant here. Siri is the worst and been out the longest.
I don’t understand this forum. When Apple does something well, its value is played down, sometimes massively. The company has the most profitable and best-selling smartphone, tablet, smartwatch, and wireless pair of headphones in the market. Apple has grown its user base by 10x over the past 10 years and is bringing in nearly more revenue than Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook combined. Yet the people here would have you believe that Apple is perpetually teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and facing doom and gloom at every doorstep.

Microsoft, Samsung, and Google are oft-said to be one-upping Apple in core competencies like hardware and design. Yet, these companies don't face anywhere near the amount of criticism thrown at Apple. Even when their recent products are shown to be flawed, such as Google’s misstep with the pixel and the fiasco that followed the S8.

And when Apple is perceived to be behind some other company like Sansung, google, even Amazon, the impact is played up. While these companies are doing great things in terms of building promising customer relationships, none are exposed to the level of cynicism facing Apple. A company like google or Microsoft that is heralded in the press as surpassing Apple as a leader should face the same high standards used to judge Apple. Unfortunately, this never happens.

It’s almost like Apple is being graded on a curve here. What is with this double standard here? Just compare the amazon echo vs the Apple Watch. Neither Amazon nor Apple officially disclose product sales for each respective product, although Apple provides many more helpful Apple Watch sales clues.

This makes it interesting, hypocritical almost, how Amazon Echo has been declared a resounding success while Apple Watch receives doubt and criticism. When considering Apple Watch sells at average selling price that is more than 5x that of Echo's, it's clear Apple Watch has been the revenue winner. In addition, given how some people have purchased four or five Echo devices, Apple Watch likely has wider user adoption.

Why is Apple Watch momentum and sales success not reported while Amazon Echo is positioned as the next big computing platform? Amazon doesn't have the same kind of bull's-eye placed on its back compared to Apple. Amazon Echo isn’t subject to anywhere near as much criticism or cynicism as Apple Watch does.

What is wrong with the people here? Are you all so desperate for a new underdog to cheer for that you would all willingly blind yourselves to the truth of how well Apple is doing?
 
Tim said, "that's ok. I ha e already fooled enough with iPhone 8 and X. Can't do three times a row."
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But 360 degree speakers can't create directional sound. But then you may say now that Apple has software that can do so. So then Google can too.

"Fooled"? What are you talking about? (Is it even worth inquiring?)
 
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No Airplay 2 in iOS 11.2 (b4) so I was wondering how they would get 11.3 ( and presumably Airplay 2) out the door in time for the homepod launch date. Seems to me this date change decision was made some time ago, several months at least. If I had to guess I would say it's the unexpectedly slow development of iOS 11, impacted by some unexpected bugs and accommodations to the new screen size and specific bugs itself. iOS 11.3 isn't ready, so they are delaying the launch.
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Who cares about HomePod...I just want iMessage in the Cloud. iOS 11.1.2 is out and 11.2 is just about ready and it is still a no show.

This is a part of the reason homepod is delayed, iOS 11 development is way behind schedule, The first release which could have Airplay 2 would be iOS 11.3. That version will not be ready in time for 2017.
 
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I don’t understand this forum. When Apple does something well, its value is played down, sometimes massively. The company has the most profitable and best-selling smartphone, tablet, smartwatch, and wireless pair of headphones in the market. Apple has grown its user base by 10x over the past 10 years and is bringing in nearly more revenue than Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook combined. Yet the people here would have you believe that Apple is perpetually teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and facing doom and gloom at every doorstep.

Microsoft, Samsung, and Google are oft-said to be one-upping Apple in core competencies like hardware and design. Yet, these companies don't face anywhere near the amount of criticism thrown at Apple. Even when their recent products are shown to be flawed, such as Google’s misstep with the pixel and the fiasco that followed the S8.

And when Apple is perceived to be behind some other company like Sansung, google, even Amazon, the impact is played up. While these companies are doing great things in terms of building promising customer relationships, none are exposed to the level of cynicism facing Apple. A company like google or Microsoft that is heralded in the press as surpassing Apple as a leader should face the same high standards used to judge Apple. Unfortunately, this never happens.

It’s almost like Apple is being graded on a curve here. What is with this double standard here? Just compare the amazon echo vs the Apple Watch. Neither Amazon nor Apple officially disclose product sales for each respective product, although Apple provides many more helpful Apple Watch sales clues.

This makes it interesting, hypocritical almost, how Amazon Echo has been declared a resounding success while Apple Watch receives doubt and criticism. When considering Apple Watch sells at average selling price that is more than 5x that of Echo's, it's clear Apple Watch has been the revenue winner. In addition, given how some people have purchased four or five Echo devices, Apple Watch likely has wider user adoption.

Why is Apple Watch momentum and sales success not reported while Amazon Echo is positioned as the next big computing platform? Amazon doesn't have the same kind of bull's-eye placed on its back compared to Apple. Amazon Echo isn’t subject to anywhere near as much criticism or cynicism as Apple Watch does.

What is wrong with the people here? Are you all so desperate for a new underdog to cheer for that you would all willingly blind yourselves to the truth of how well Apple is doing?
May be because Apple went from being a comouter company to a watchband/emoji company.
 
I don’t understand this forum. When Apple does something well, its value is played down, sometimes massively. The company has the most profitable and best-selling smartphone, tablet, smartwatch, and wireless pair of headphones in the market. Apple has grown its user base by 10x over the past 10 years and is bringing in nearly more revenue than Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook combined. Yet the people here would have you believe that Apple is perpetually teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and facing doom and gloom at every doorstep.

Microsoft, Samsung, and Google are oft-said to be one-upping Apple in core competencies like hardware and design. Yet, these companies don't face anywhere near the amount of criticism thrown at Apple. Even when their recent products are shown to be flawed, such as Google’s misstep with the pixel and the fiasco that followed the S8.

And when Apple is perceived to be behind some other company like Sansung, google, even Amazon, the impact is played up. While these companies are doing great things in terms of building promising customer relationships, none are exposed to the level of cynicism facing Apple. A company like google or Microsoft that is heralded in the press as surpassing Apple as a leader should face the same high standards used to judge Apple. Unfortunately, this never happens.

It’s almost like Apple is being graded on a curve here. What is with this double standard here? Just compare the amazon echo vs the Apple Watch. Neither Amazon nor Apple officially disclose product sales for each respective product, although Apple provides many more helpful Apple Watch sales clues.

This makes it interesting, hypocritical almost, how Amazon Echo has been declared a resounding success while Apple Watch receives doubt and criticism. When considering Apple Watch sells at average selling price that is more than 5x that of Echo's, it's clear Apple Watch has been the revenue winner. In addition, given how some people have purchased four or five Echo devices, Apple Watch likely has wider user adoption.

Why is Apple Watch momentum and sales success not reported while Amazon Echo is positioned as the next big computing platform? Amazon doesn't have the same kind of bull's-eye placed on its back compared to Apple. Amazon Echo isn’t subject to anywhere near as much criticism or cynicism as Apple Watch does.

What is wrong with the people here? Are you all so desperate for a new underdog to cheer for that you would all willingly blind yourselves to the truth of how well Apple is doing?

Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. When you've got that much money (and talent), it's pretty inexcusable to announce a product delay mere weeks before the product was supposed to ship.

Look at Sonos, for example. They are a tiny company compared to Apple. Yet, when they announced the new Sonos One the product was on retailer's shelves 3 weeks after the announcement.

THAT is how you meet and exceed consumer's expectations. Apple should have kept its corporate mouth shut until it was certain there wouldn't be any delays.

Mark
 
Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. When you've got that much money (and talent), it's pretty inexcusable to announce a product delay mere weeks before the product was supposed to ship.

Look at Sonos, for example. They are a tiny company compared to Apple. Yet, when they announced the new Sonos One the product was on retailer's shelves 3 weeks after the announcement.

THAT is how you meet and exceed consumer's expectations. Apple should have kept its corporate mouth shut until it was certain there wouldn't be any delays.

Mark
So what are you blaming Apple for now? Their inability to manage their own supply chain for the HomePod or they jumping the gun and announcing a deadline which would turn out to be unrealistic?

And how many product lines is Sonos servicing, compared to Apple?

I am not excusing Apple for missing their own self-imposed deadline. It must sting for them too, missing out on the much lucrative Christmas shopping season. But the HomePod will ultimately still be released when it is ready and I believe it will be a great product nevertheless.

People can choose to focus on the positives and be enthusiastic about another great product hitting the market in time. Or this this going to be the new normal of Apple news - where the “fanboys” keep criticising every single aspect of Apple’s product release cycle?

Or are Mac mini’s and Mac pros the only thing that get people fired up around here?
 
Hardly. Google AI is better, but there’s no way the Max can achieve the same real-time modeling the HomePod can. Not with their boring (conventional) front facing drivers.
You think the single 4" woofer will sound good in the middle of the room?! Lol. If you compare the size drivers and the enclosure size, you would laugh at the homepod's design. There's no doubt the home max will get louder and have better range than the homepod, by far.
 
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But 360 degree speakers can't create directional sound. But then you may say now that Apple has software that can do so. So then Google can too.

You’re completely wrong. The Home Max has all 4 drivers facing in the same direction (forward). It can’t direct sound to the sides or rear. It’s about as simple (conventional) as you can get with speaker design). The HomePod has 7 drivers spaced equally in a circle. Each of these drivers has its own separate amplifier (it’s not just a circle of drivers getting the same signal). There’s a reason for this.

You can create a much wider soundstage by controlling the sound to each of the 7 drivers. For example, sound can be emitted from drivers on the rear of the HomePod which will bounce off the walls and towards the listener. This can be mixed with sound from the front drivers. The problem is the distance the sound travels from the rear drivers off the walls to the listener, and the direct sound from the front drivers to the listener are different. This can result in sounds being out of phase which affects sound quality.

Fortunately there’s a very well known method for dealing with this (I’ve been doing it since the 80’s in live sound reinforcement). You use time delay. You can delay the audio to the front drivers by a small amount (a few milliseconds) such that the reflected sound from rear drivers in in phase with the direct sound from the front. There are two ways to set time delay. One is literally measuring the distance between the drivers and calculating the delay. The other is taking measurements with a microphone and adjusting delay to change the phase. This is what the HomePod will do. And it’s far beyond anything Sonos or Google has.

If you had watched Apples introduction of the HomePod from the perspective of an audio engineer this would all be crystal clear. The terminology they used and their animations of how it works are all things I’ve seen before. Except on much more expensive professional equipment.
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You think the single 4" woofer will sound good in the middle of the room?! Lol. If you compare the size drivers and the enclosure size, you would laugh at the homepod's design. There's no doubt the home max will get louder and have better range than the homepod, by far.

Bass production is a function of the surface area of the driver and it’s excursion. I already mentioned the HomePod has 20mm excursion. Do you have any idea how big of a deal this is? It’s far beyond anything I’ve ever come across in the market (typically you don’t see that high a figure until you start getting into much larger drivers or specialized subwoofer).
 
This product will be a flop anyway. Which audiophile does not have a speaker system at home? And who loves Siri so much to spend a couple of hundred of dollars on it?!

I agree with you but Isn't it nearly 400 after tax ? A couple hundred would be much better
 
You’re completely wrong. The Home Max has all 4 drivers facing in the same direction (forward). It can’t direct sound to the sides or rear. It’s about as simple (conventional) as you can get with speaker design). The HomePod has 7 drivers spaced equally in a circle. Each of these drivers has its own separate amplifier (it’s not just a circle of drivers getting the same signal). There’s a reason for this.

You can create a much wider soundstage by controlling the sound to each of the 7 drivers. For example, sound can be emitted from drivers on the rear of the HomePod which will bounce off the walls and towards the listener. This can be mixed with sound from the front drivers. The problem is the distance the sound travels from the rear drivers off the walls to the listener, and the direct sound from the front drivers to the listener are different. This can result in sounds being out of phase which affects sound quality.

Fortunately there’s a very well known method for dealing with this (I’ve been doing it since the 80’s in live sound reinforcement). You use time delay. You can delay the audio to the front drivers by a small amount (a few milliseconds) such that the reflected sound from rear drivers in in phase with the direct sound from the front. There are two ways to set time delay. One is literally measuring the distance between the drivers and calculating the delay. The other is taking measurements with a microphone and adjusting delay to change the phase. This is what the HomePod will do. And it’s far beyond anything Sonos or Google has.

If you had watched Apples introduction of the HomePod from the perspective of an audio engineer this would all be crystal clear. The terminology they used and their animations of how it works are all things I’ve seen before. Except on much more expensive professional equipment.
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Bass production is a function of the surface area of the driver and it’s excursion. I already mentioned the HomePod has 20mm excursion. Do you have any idea how big of a deal this is? It’s far beyond anything I’ve ever come across in the market (typically you don’t see that high a figure until you start getting into much larger drivers or specialized subwoofer).
Surface area has a huge amount to do with bass reproduction, but surprisingly excursion, not so much. You can have the same size driver that has less excursion, with a lower fs than a driver with more xmax. You can have a shoody driver in a good enclosure, that sounds amazing. And you can have a god like driver, in a mediocre enclosure, which sounds like poop. The homepod does not have enough airspace to reproduce bass in a large frequency range. There is no "magical" work around to this.
 
You really don't know how awesome it is on the other side of the walled garden then.
I just don't understand all the siri hate. I really don't have any problems with it.
I have several echos around the house, so I have experienced the other side of the “walled garden” since the first Echo Dot came to market. No matter what everyone around here believes, Alexa is worse than Siri in many ways. MKBHD is known as a Google fan boy and even his video shows as much:


It appears that Google Assistant is better, but privacy is a huge concern for many (though rarely mentioned around here):

https://gizmodo.com/googles-ai-plans-are-a-privacy-nightmare-1787413031

While we don’t have a HomePod to compare anything to, I think Siri is much better than many people around here say it is. I use it everyday for music in the car, controlling it from the watch, and it works great. It can handle multiple questions on one subject without saying it’s name again and Alexa can’t. The thing Alexa has is “skills”, but they don’t extend to Apple Music, so for 30 million people it is missing the most desired feature (or at least one of the most desired features).

Personally, I am not sure if I will get a HomePod or not, but if I don’t get one, it has more to do with price than Siri. Siri only works with one music service (Apple Music), which means AM has a huge advantage for many iOS users, MacOs users, Apple Watch users, Appletv users, and CarPlay users. The ecosystem is a selling point for the HomePod. For the record, Siri works better for changing colors of Hue Bulbs over Alexa, as well. I will say Amazon continues making the Echo better, but until it can handle Apple Music, it will have a hole in one of the most important features for a smart speaker. The Echo can’t handle Google Play Music, either, so Apple isn’t the only one holding out their music service for their own device. (Both companies know that specific music service support is a huge factor in the decision making process).

The AirPlay 2 features will also be a major selling point of the HomePod, and if I buy one, this is the feature that will push it over the top. If I can use the speaker in the morning to play a podcast, then get home and tell it to play music on my Denon receiver (which could turn it on and control volume from the Homepod) , it will be a huge selling point for getting one. However, I have to wait and see which products I own get updated for Airplay 2 before I can get on board.
 
Surface area has a huge amount to do with bass reproduction, but surprisingly excursion, not so much. You can have the same size driver that has less excursion, with a lower fs than a driver with more xmax. You can have a shoody driver in a good enclosure, that sounds amazing. And you can have a god like driver, in a mediocre enclosure, which sounds like poop. The homepod does not have enough airspace to reproduce bass in a large frequency range. There is no "magical" work around to this.

And you know this how? Do you know the specifications for their bass driver? For Googles?
 
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And you know this how? Do you know the specifications for their bass driver? For Googles?
Ummm look at the dimensions of the homepod! It's very well known as to the exact size specs of the homepod, as well as the size woofer they are using. There is no way there is enough air space in there to give tight, accurate bass, across the low end spectrum. There's no amount of magic or physics that can change this. It would be different if it were in a sealed chamber, or even a 4th/bandpass, but that does not seem to be the case. Not to mention, 7 horn loaded tweeters paired with a single 4" woofer?! What kinda silly array is this?! Beat's are the furthest from audiophile quality, but even they could have done a better job....
 
Ummm look at the dimensions of the homepod! It's very well known as to the exact size specs of the homepod, as well as the size woofer they are using. There is no way there is enough air space in there to give tight, accurate bass, across the low end spectrum. There's no amount of magic or physics that can change this. It would be different if it were in a sealed chamber, or even a 4th/bandpass, but that does not seem to be the case. Not to mention, 7 horn loaded tweeters paired with a single 4" woofer?! What kinda silly array is this?! Beat's are the furthest from audiophile quality, but even they could have done a better job....
Personally, I don’t think they are trying to get audiophiles to throw out their carefully curated systems and replace them with the HomePod. The HomePod purposely has a small footprint so audiophiles or anyone else can put them anywhere, while still getting decent sound compared to other similar sized speakers, thanks to their room sensing tech. Most audiophiles don’t have floor standing speakers in their kitchens.
 
I don’t understand this forum. When Apple does something well, its value is played down, sometimes massively. The company has the most profitable and best-selling smartphone, tablet, smartwatch, and wireless pair of headphones in the market. Apple has grown its user base by 10x over the past 10 years and is bringing in nearly more revenue than Amazon, Alphabet, and Facebook combined. Yet the people here would have you believe that Apple is perpetually teetering on the brink of bankruptcy and facing doom and gloom at every doorstep.

Microsoft, Samsung, and Google are oft-said to be one-upping Apple in core competencies like hardware and design. Yet, these companies don't face anywhere near the amount of criticism thrown at Apple. Even when their recent products are shown to be flawed, such as Google’s misstep with the pixel and the fiasco that followed the S8.

And when Apple is perceived to be behind some other company like Sansung, google, even Amazon, the impact is played up. While these companies are doing great things in terms of building promising customer relationships, none are exposed to the level of cynicism facing Apple. A company like google or Microsoft that is heralded in the press as surpassing Apple as a leader should face the same high standards used to judge Apple. Unfortunately, this never happens.

It’s almost like Apple is being graded on a curve here. What is with this double standard here? Just compare the amazon echo vs the Apple Watch. Neither Amazon nor Apple officially disclose product sales for each respective product, although Apple provides many more helpful Apple Watch sales clues.

This makes it interesting, hypocritical almost, how Amazon Echo has been declared a resounding success while Apple Watch receives doubt and criticism. When considering Apple Watch sells at average selling price that is more than 5x that of Echo's, it's clear Apple Watch has been the revenue winner. In addition, given how some people have purchased four or five Echo devices, Apple Watch likely has wider user adoption.

Why is Apple Watch momentum and sales success not reported while Amazon Echo is positioned as the next big computing platform? Amazon doesn't have the same kind of bull's-eye placed on its back compared to Apple. Amazon Echo isn’t subject to anywhere near as much criticism or cynicism as Apple Watch does.

What is wrong with the people here? Are you all so desperate for a new underdog to cheer for that you would all willingly blind yourselves to the truth of how well Apple is doing?
Without having to make counter arguments to what you stated point by point, I as a user and consumer of apple products expect more. They really are the most valuable company for a reason and that is because I feel they profit margin you to death with their product instead of giving their customers more value in hardware. There is SO MUCH i could go on about in this topic alone.

Think if iPhones ran android, would anyone buy an iPhone, most likely not. Hardware wise they have been 3 years behind Samsung. So, with that in mind lets just say IOS is the safer easier, although less feature ridden OS. I don't think thats debatable. So essentially my problem is apple has been riding the wave of prosperity put in place a long time ago. I, as a consumer expect more cutting edge devices from the worlds largest tech company. Especially because Apple themselves espouse the idea they are tech leaders of the industry. (They are not). Since Jobs' death they have stopped being the technology mavericks and been more the company that waits 3 years for components to get cheap enough, then put it in their device so they can garner max profit. From a business prospect this is understandable. From a consumer standpoint this is disgusting and it IS WHY APPLE IS THE MOST VALUABLE COMPANY. Don't ever think for a second the customer comes first in many of their decisions. It's why you are still using old hardware from a company that charges top dollar.

Year after year they have nothing but disappointed most people. (I'm actually glad the sentiment has been growing to the point where Apple has become aware of it.) We as consumers want to see cutting edge stuff in a phone, instead they make a phone slightly thinner, same boring design and don't use better and modern standards that other people put in their phones. As an apple user, its like you have to wait at least 3 years for something you want in your phone to show up if you are lucky. Because apple is not about giving their fan base the best. They give you the same old crap and feed you the kool-aid to make the mindless lemmings think they are getting something great.

The iPhone X is nothing special. I just do not understand anyone who doesn't grasp this. Guess what, your XBOX ONE had face ID 3-4 years ago, although a simpler form. Oh, no physical home button, yep other phones have done that too.

Until people force Apples hand to actually innovate and be the first to the party with something, only the lemmings will follow and people who expect more will continue to be disappointed. So many things they release are products their competitors have been doing for a while. They also have a bad tendency to ignore things for a longtime and let many things sit in limbo for too long in a world where it's all to easy to fall behind in the technology race. I always see the iphone as a stable non-cutting edge device that is adequate and reliable.

Once again they weren't interested in putting a Gigabit modem, USB-C, fast charger, better waterproofing, more ram, or even bigger power brick in the box, or faster wireless charging capability. They still put a 5w charger and crummy headphones in their $1000+ FLAGSHIP device, and tons of people slobber all over it, and THATS WHY THEY ARE THE MOST VALUABLE COMPANY.

So they are the best when it comes to giving you as little as they could get away with when charging more money than anyone in a major smartphone manufacturer. I think they are so rich they have become complacent and no longer have the hunger they once did for things, and definitely don't have the leadership they used to, who always demanded the most from it's people for the sake of the consumer and having a passion and much pride in delivering.

I just may be of a different philosophy of trying to deliver the best and the profits will follow. Yes margins may be slimmer, but Apple is so rich they could afford to give a little back and take some more chances of raking in a bit less margin.

So what do I expect for the homepod? I expect for $350 for it to sound better than any other $350 speaker out there because Apple has the money and should have the know how to do it. They also have the corporate might to get better components for less money. If there is a cheaper speaker that sounds, better people should not buy it. It shouldn't be THAT hard as the bluetooth speaker market is HORRIBLY over priced.
 
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Yes I am, having worked as a sound engineer for 30 years.

The Max doesn’t have drivers arranged 360 degrees like the HomePod and as such is extremely limited in how it can direct the sound in your room. It’s literally a generic front-firing speaker like a gazillion others. Further, the Max doesn’t have microphones arranged in 360 degrees either - they’re on the front. So it can’t do complex time-domain measurements of its location/room.

I don’t care what Google claims Smart Sound can do - it can’t get around the laws of physics. The ONLY thing it might beat the HomePod at is bass, having 2 drivers. But we won’t know until someone tests them. The HomePod bass driver looks a lot beefier than the ones in the Max and has a ridiculous 20mm excursion.

Let's be honest and realist here.
We see things like 360' speakers in demos and a few show set-ups.
And I'm sure SOME very few homes, would place a speaker on a table in the middle of a room (once they would out how to run power to the middle of the room)

But come on. We all know, for 99%+ of normal households Speakers are placed on a table, a shelf, a stand which is against the wall, and firing sound into the room. That's where you have all your wires and power sockets.

I've has a few 360' speakers, and it's a novel idea in theory.
But reality of people's homes is not the same.

As for moving the speaker around so it constantly needs to change the sound, or large items being placed by it so it again changes the sound.
Really?

I'm hoping for great room filling strong crisp/clear sound from any speaker. and not tech gimmicks.

I'm going to be very interested to see how the sound quality from Apple's unit stacks up to Google's Unit.
 
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