Exactly. The internet encourages hysteria and click bait.
They should really compare to the last generation iPad set to the same white point. The whole screen would be blooming on the old iPad.
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Apple Says iPad Pro's XDR Display Designed to Minimize Blooming, but Some Users Still Notice the Effect
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Exactly. The internet encourages hysteria and click bait.
They should really compare to the last generation iPad set to the same white point. The whole screen would be blooming on the old iPad.
To get that degree of burn-in on an OLED, you'd have to have those UI elements on the screen for literally months. Like all you do is use the same app, all day long without turning the screen off, for several months.
The other explanation is that it was a faulty panel to begin with, and we've seen that faulty OLED panels do things like this where lots of the pixels get "stuck" and don't respond, resulting in a very similar effect to burn-in and turns into burn-in if left on in such a state.
I've had my X from launch day and I use it extensively. So much so that the battery is more or less kaput and needs replaced. But the screen is as crisp and clean as the day I got it. On a solid grey background (the best test for OLED degradation) the only burn-in (or irregularity for that matter) I can see is the faintest blob of the WiFi symbol. And I really had to look hard for it.
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That all sounds great, but I'm not taking the chance. I'm happy that is one less thing I need to worry about in these new iPads.
If and when the time comes that Apple switches to OLED, then I'll have no choice and I'll get to experience it for myself.
It's a shame that so many people are going to pass on a great product simply because they don't realize something like this is hard to photograph accurately and on top of that will look different depending on the monitor/display they're viewing this thread on. Almost everyone who actually has this iPad reports the display looks nothing like photographs in real life, but far better. So it's foolish to dismiss the product without trying it in person.
Because not many people edit videos and photos on their TV.
This is the first time a product targeted at such professionals has displayed such a thing - particularly to the extent I can see on mine at pretty low brightness in a dim environment.
Why? If they had gone to OLED, one would see articles instead that Apple's new Ipad display struggles with HDR brightness peaks vs min-led LED brightness handling of HDR. And we would see pics clearly showing the difference of a HDR display.
And then a few months later, we would start seeing examples of OLED burn-in (more accurate AKA differential pixel aging). And why did Apple go with OLED when min-led would not have had this issue.- I taking it back or class action.
IMHO, for the typical IPAD use case and for someone wanitng/needing an HDR display today, they made a reasonable choice of available display technology. Chose your poison? Maybe, of perhaps better, just understand the currently technology display trade-offs and what is important to you within today's display limitations. And one just intelligently chooses what works for you.
Or just wait for a several more years until micro-led (which is both emissive and super bright-bingo!) gets down to the price of a typical new car instead of a Ferrari. And than we will be hearing micro-led struggle with doing 8K.
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In fact, the old 12,9 also has a local dimming zones, but they are just huge and in a small quantities
Surely LG would replace that as faulty rather than user error? I’d be furious if it wasn’t at least 8 years old before that happened. Luckily my B7 is still going strong since 2017 with only a faint vertical strip running top to bottom about 1/3 from the right. Hoping that’s not the beginning of panel failure…!
That's probably why they're outraged, no? (Not that I agree with them that this is something to be outraged about)
This is actually incorrect. Burn in happens no matter what. It's a given for OLED. Some of the pixels get less bright than the others (I think blue degrades the fastest, after that probably green). So overall if you use any apps that display mostly white, your screen gets more yellow/red over time. This is burn in as well, though this doesn't register the same way to people like distinct elements on the screen do, like app icons or UI elements.
In this sense burn in probably isn't the best term for it, but OLED degrades over time, that is just a given. However, since your screen is probably not just uniform white all the time, there is uneven degradation. Often the screen will have displayed more white elements, so then the screen will be less bright/have a different color temperature in the center of the screen compared to the edges. Moreover, even in specific regions of the screen wear can and probably will be uneven, causing streaks over time. I've seen this happen first hand with a Galaxy S3 I had back in the day, in less than a year and a half of usage.
Now, don't get me wrong, I know OLED has become much and much better over time. However, iPads, and in particular the new M1 models, aren't devices that most people change out every year or even every few years. I intend to use mine for at least the next 5 years, so I wouldn't want an OLED screen.
If they relaxed the 600nit brightness limit at least I could use the thing outdoors during the day. Really hope this comes in an update, as it would be a shame if it wasn't adapted.
This is reality. Some blooming can also be seen on OLED displays due to some optical distortion. This is even visible when you turn on the iPhone with the OLED display, when the Apple logo appears on a black background.
Switching from 2020 to 2021 12.9. I received a 2021 12.9 last night… On black backgrounds, blooming is very noticeable. At first i thought it was my eyes or an unclean screen. I’m disappointed by this issue and will likely return the new ipad.
pros: true black is great. Movies look sharper/brighter, as black bars are disabled. also the range of brightness goes from dimness equal to the 2020 iPad Pro, to maximum brightness equal to the sun!!! (or so it seems in low light)
cons: The blooming looks like mild condensation … it is noticeable in any situation where there is a large black area with any non-black pixels illuminated. Some media does not have true black and so it appears backlit — yikes.
conclusion: I can’t tell them apart when they’re playing the same media. 2021 has true blacks and brighter colors, but it’s hard to tell in normal use. So i will likely keep my 2020 ipad and cash …
perhaps the next step will be a proprietary OLED-like “apple pixel” in the 2024 12.9” iPad Pro
*waits 1,000 days*
pros: true black is great. Movies look sharper/brighter, as black bars are disabled. also the range of brightness goes from dimness equal to the 2020 iPad Pro, to maximum brightness equal to the sun!!! (or so it seems in low light)
cons: The blooming looks like mild condensation … it is noticeable in any situation where there is a large black area with any non-black pixels illuminated. Some media does not have true black and so it appears backlit — yikes.
conclusion: I can’t tell them apart when they’re playing the same media. 2021 has true blacks and brighter colors, but it’s hard to tell in normal use. So i will likely keep my 2020 ipad and cash …
perhaps the next step will be a proprietary OLED-like “apple pixel” in the 2024 12.9” iPad Pro
*waits 1,000 days*
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It’s more than likely your eyes. That much brightness against a truly black background is going to make your eyes see a glow around the bright object. As others have said, in a dark room, set your phone to maximum brightness, turn it off, then turn it back on. You’ll see the same bloom around the Apple logo.
Great thing is, though, that you don’t have to bother with buying the 2024 iPad Pro either. If they’ve figured out how to push OLED to 1600 nits (or have a per-pixel lit micro-led) that glow is going to be just as annoying. Apple could always introduce a mode that brings up the “black” color to the “grey” of the current iPads for those that are bothered by it, but I’m guessing they wouldn’t.
That's not how it works. Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
While it's possible you can get a perceived halo on OLED, it's never anywhere near as significant as what people describe here, unless they have cataracts or something.
i agree with both assessments - the intense contrast creates a glow that my eyes find hard to adjust to. I have good eyes, early 30s no glasses, but its harsh and i’m constantly turning brightness down in low light…
but i also see ‘Blooming’ as reported in this thread, for sure. It’s disappointing. The handles at the bottom and top right create massive blooms on black screens before movies begin playing. I’ve seen a small amount of blooming in movies where there a dark background, too... hopefully future software updates can help address this issue… reading in dark mode has ridiculous pillowing, it is annoying to see, i keep thinking it’s my eyes!
I got the same results, thanks for posting. My high end DSLR had no blooming or very little.
Interestingly for me, I noticed my glasses contributed significantly to the blooming I do see on my 12.9 iPad Pro. My glasses are getting old and due to COVID i have not replaced as I should. The small scratches and reduced coating really make the bright areas look much much much worse at night.
But this device is a beast for what it does. New glasses, set brightness correctly, and work during the day as usual.