Apple Says iPhone 15 Pro's Titanium Frame Does Not Contribute to Overheating Issue

[canadianreader]

They are in denial of the fact that their software dev team is run by idiots.
They destroyed the ecosystem over the years. macOS and iOS have more bugs than apps.
They had the most solid os ever and they screwed it.
Bring back Bertrand Serlet and Scott Forstall please!!!!

Every year same scenario playing out many bugs and issues even when you report those bugs they ignore you until it becomes too big to hide.

 

[canadianreader]

Apple is taking a page from the fanboys and is blaming the apps. I guess the Apple phone app should be added to the list since multiple people report being on a phone call generates a high heat condition.

If the same Instagram app behaving normally on iPhone 14 Pro Max wit iOS 16 and overheating on an iPhone 15 Pro Max with iOS 17 then I'd blame the OS or the phone and not the app.

 

[goonie4life9]

I watched the same video and got something completely different out of it. He never said there was only 1mm left. He saw that the entire rail was made of Titanium. That same video also said it was Grade 5, which means Apple was not lying when it said that the rim was made of titanium. The leftovers looked like a lot more than 1mm of side rail.

His first video on the teardown of the 15 showed where the aluminum internals and the titanium met. Those meet on the inside each rail, not detracting at all from the width of the rail. The rail itself is titanium. I resist saying pure, since nobody uses pure. That’s where the grading system comes in. The railing looks the same pre-melting versus post-melting. He even commented he was surprised Apple made the USB-C ring out of titanium since it’s not as exposed, which to me shows Apple was using more titanium than promised.

You’re making simply incorrect statements. In the video I posted, he cut into the frame and clearly shows where the aluminum and titanium are bonded in the frame. The fact is the frame is mostly aluminum with a titanium facade (1 mm). By the way, Apple never promised a specific amount of titanium.

As for grades of titanium, that has absolutely nothing to do with the aluminum substrate. Grades of titanium have to do with the amount of other metals in the titanium itself. So, the grade of titanium Apple uses is only relevant to the actual titanium portion, which is only 1 mm. The aluminum that the titanium is bonded to has nothing to do with the 1-mm titanium facade composition.

 

[tobybrut]

You’re making simply incorrect statements. In the video I posted, he cut into the frame and clearly shows where the aluminum and titanium are bonded in the frame. The fact is the frame is mostly aluminum with a titanium facade (1 mm). By the way, Apple never promised a specific amount of titanium.

As for grades of titanium, that has absolutely nothing to do with the aluminum substrate. Grades of titanium have to do with the amount of other metals in the titanium itself. So, the grade of titanium Apple uses is only relevant to the actual titanium portion, which is only 1 mm. The aluminum that the titanium is bonded to has nothing to do with the 1-mm titanium facade composition.

That’s where we differ. I think what we’re arguing about is the difference between solid rails versus a veneer. A veneer is essentially a paint job and that is NOT what is here. You are correct about the grade of the titanium. That wasn’t actually part of my argument as to whether it was a veneer or not. That was to show Apple delivered what they promised. They promised grade 5 titanium side rails and they delivered on that promise. They did not promise aluminum side rails with a paint job of titanium and that is what I am arguing against. In prior iterations of this, the stainless steel side rails were attached to the frame with screws. Now they are bonded together rather than screwed together. The stainless steel frame was essentially completely replaced with a titanium frame, not with aluminum with a titanium paint job. A veneer would not have survived the melting process and we would have been left with flakes of unmelted titanium that would not have held its shape. Instead we see side rails that are completely intact.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

What I said is if there is insufficient cooling, there would be throttling. One example is an Nvidia video card I have.

The manufacturer has software that allows you to overclock the GPU. If it gets to a certain temperature, the speed of the GPU will be throttled.

I never said the 15 Pro runs hotter than 14 Pro. Apparently Apple thinks the 15 Pro runs too hot or they would not be coming out with a fix, which will probably throttle the processor.

Wrong. Your logic isn't.

What you "said is if there is insufficient cooling, there would be throttling," and your failed logic suggests that heat presenting in a few iPhones means that Apple would "be coming out with a fix, which will probably throttle the processor."

A) There is not insufficient cooling, as evidenced by millions of properly operational iPhone 15 PMs, including mine. Ergo the solution is not likely to be to throttle the processor. These are iPhones not the DIY PC in your basement.

B) An issue presenting on a subset of recently released phones probably involves software conflicts with app(s). Usually fixed with dot iOS updates in the weeks immediately after release.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

“We”? You mean, fanboys? Because no critically thinking, objective person could say that Apple is a better company now than it was under Jobs… it’s not even close.

I’m paying relatively high prices for gas but that doesn’t mean I like it. Smartphones are a necessity at this point.

And there are other factors for Apple’s “success.” Namely, the even greater ineptitude of their competitors… all 1 of them, and smartphones isn’t even their core business.

However you measure it, Apple is doing well in the tech world they compete in. It has nothing to do with fanboyism. I for instance diss Apple's actions when they suck - - like the killing off of MacProject and Aperture after pro users built enterprises around those apps.

 

[goonie4life9]

That’s where we differ. I think what we’re arguing about is the difference between solid rails versus a veneer. A veneer is essentially a paint job and that is NOT what is here. You are correct about the grade of the titanium. That wasn’t actually part of my argument as to whether it was a veneer or not. That was to show Apple delivered what they promised. They promised grade 5 titanium side rails and they delivered on that promise. They did not promise aluminum side rails with a paint job of titanium and that is what I am arguing against. In prior iterations of this, the stainless steel side rails were attached to the frame with screws. Now they are bonded together rather than screwed together. The stainless steel frame was essentially completely replaced with a titanium frame, not with aluminum with a titanium paint job. A veneer would not have survived the melting process and we would have been left with flakes of unmelted titanium that would not have held its shape. Instead we see side rails that are completely intact.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve never said the frame wasn’t solid. I’ve never used the word “veneer.” You can rage reply and argue but the images and measurements are right there in the video I posted. The majority of the solid frame is aluminum with a 1-mm Grade 5 titanium facade. You may not like that, but that was what Apple did.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve never said the frame wasn’t solid. I’ve never used the word “veneer.” You can rage reply and argue but the images and measurements are right there in the video I posted. The majority of the solid frame is aluminum with a 1-mm Grade 5 titanium facade. You may not like that, but that was what Apple did.

Better description would be Titanium alloy frame filled with aluminum. Your calling it an aluminum frame with Grade 5 Titanium facade is not really accurate, since the Titanium alloy frame is the primary structural component.

The Titanium alloy frame is most definitely not a facade. Titanium alloy is used for the frame no doubt because it is strong and light and non-corrosive; however it is not particularly easy to work with. Aluminum is not as strong, less expensive, easy to work with and conducts heat very well, so it is used as a filler of sorts.

 

[dypeterc]

A veneer is essentially a paint job and that is NOT what is here.

That’s not what a veneer is. A veneer is a thin slice of material glued to a substrate. It’s not paint

 

[Allen_Wentz]

That’s not what a veneer is. A veneer is a thin slice of material glued to a substrate. It’s not paint

That’s not what a veneer is. A veneer is a thin slice of material glued to a substrate. It’s not paint

Correct. The Titanium alloy comprises a strong/light structural frame with aluminum bonded to it. The Titanium alloy is not paint, or veneer, or a facade. The Titanium alloy is a structural frame.

 

[4odomi]

Apple today said it plans to release an iOS 17 software update with a bug fix for the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max overheating issue, and the company has since shared additional details about the matter with MacRumors.

Importantly, Apple said the issue is not related to the titanium frame. Contrary to a report this week, Apple said the iPhone 15 Pro's design does not contribute to overheating. In fact, Apple said the titanium frame and aluminum substructure provide better heat dissipation than any previous-generation Pro models with stainless steel frames.

Apple said some third-party apps have overloaded the A17 Pro chip for unknown reasons, including Instagram, Uber, and racing game Asphalt 9: Legends, and it is working with the developers of these apps to address the matter. Apple said its bug fix will not involve reducing the chip's performance in order to address the temperature-related issue, and it ensured that long-term performance will not be impacted.

To reiterate Apple's statement:More details are available in our initial coverage of Apple's statement.

Article Link: Apple Says iPhone 15 Pro's Titanium Frame Does Not Contribute to Overheating Issue

It's definitely something with the IOS 17 & Apps, my iPhone 13 Pro overheated to the extent it stopped charging a couple of days ago, hasn't happened before or since

 

[goonie4life9]

Better description would be Titanium alloy frame filled with aluminum. Your calling it an aluminum frame with Grade 5 Titanium facade is not really accurate, since the Titanium alloy frame is the primary structural component.

The Titanium alloy frame is most definitely not a facade. Titanium alloy is used for the frame no doubt because it is strong and light and non-corrosive; however it is not particularly easy to work with. Aluminum is not as strong, less expensive, easy to work with and conducts heat very well, so it is used as a filler of sorts.

It most certainly is a facade when the underlying metal is thicker. The majority of the frame is aluminum with Grade 5 titanium bonded to the top as an external facade.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

It most certainly is a facade when the underlying metal is thicker. The majority of the frame is aluminum with Grade 5 titanium bonded to the top as an external facade.

No, it is not. A facade is typically a cosmetic layer and by definition not a structural component. In this case the structural component is on the outside, but that does not make it a facade. The highly conductive easy-to-work aluminum no doubt also adds structural strength, but the Titanium alloy is the frame. The word facade does not apply here.

 

[chatin]

The metal is not the problem. Apple's fairy tail "the first days with my new Ti-phone" is not going to hold up if it turns out these things only have 6gb of RAM or even less.

 

[goonie4life9]

No, it is not. A facade is typically a cosmetic layer and by definition not a structural component. In this case the structural component is on the outside, but that does not make it a facade. The highly conductive easy-to-work aluminum no doubt also adds structural strength, but the Titanium alloy is the frame. The word facade does not apply here.

Yes, it is. A facade is simply the external layer. There is nothing in the definition of facade that remotely suggests it can’t ALSO be structural. A facade is simply the front/outward facing component. You can rage reply and argue, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the frame is aluminum and 1 mm of Grade 5 titanium is the facade. You may not like that, but that is what Apple chose to do.

 

[teh_hunterer]

Interesting how people like @spartan1967 , @darngooddesign make claims that are baseless, and just ignore arguments against what they say. You guys hope people won't see the questions you ducked because they're on another page?

 

[steve09090]

Yes, it is. A facade is simply the external layer. There is nothing in the definition of facade that remotely suggests it can’t ALSO be structural. A facade is simply the front/outward facing component. You can rage reply and argue, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the frame is aluminum and 1 mm of Grade 5 titanium is the facade. You may not like that, but that is what Apple chose to do.

Apple call it a "strong titanium band". It provides and adds strength to the chassis. It's the entire point of it.

A facade is an outwardly facing portion that is purely a decoration. I think your use of the word is calculated to be derogatory to Apple, and that’s why you are using it. It is not accurate.

Other tests have shown that it is at least as strong as other iPhones. The titanium is there for a reason. It makes it just as strong, and makes it lighter. The facade you have maintained in trying to denigrate Apple ability to bond aluminium and titanium is rather boorish, and factually untrue.

 

[goonie4life9]

Apple call it a "strong titanium band". It provides and adds strength to the chassis. It's the entire point of it.

A facade is an outwardly facing portion that is purely a decoration. I think your use of the word is calculated to be derogatory to Apple, and that’s why you are using it. It is not accurate.

Other tests have shown that it is at least as strong as other iPhones. The titanium is there for a reason. It makes it just as strong, and makes it lighter. The facade you have maintained in trying to denigrate Apple ability to bond aluminium and titanium is rather boorish, and factually untrue.

That is simply untrue. A facade simply means the outer portion. I’ve made no statements, one way or the other, whether this makes the frame stronger/weaker, better/worse, etc. That the majority of the frame is aluminum is demonstrably true, as shown in the video I posted, in which someone cut and measured the cross-section of the frame. You can rage reply, argue, and make personal attacks all your want, but it doesn’t change that it is factually true that the frame is primarily aluminum with a 1-mm Grade 5 titanium facade. You may not like it, but that is what Apple has chosen to do.

 

[rkuo]

Yes, it is. A facade is simply the external layer. There is nothing in the definition of facade that remotely suggests it can’t ALSO be structural. A facade is simply the front/outward facing component. You can rage reply and argue, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the frame is aluminum and 1 mm of Grade 5 titanium is the facade. You may not like that, but that is what Apple chose to do.

Nope.

 

[ipaqrat]

Yes, it is. A facade is simply the external layer. There is nothing in the definition of facade that remotely suggests it can’t ALSO be structural. A facade is simply the front/outward facing component. You can rage reply and argue, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the frame is aluminum and 1 mm of Grade 5 titanium is the facade. You may not like that, but that is what Apple chose to do.

Both are semantically correct if you look the word up. In Architecture, a building's façade is the outside face or exterior wall of the building built of materials such as brick, wood, concrete, glass, steel, etc.; such curtain walls can certainly be structural. In discussion with clients, however, a non-structural facade would more precisely be called a "Veneer." The frame of an iphone is absolutely not merely a veneer.

 

[falainber]

Wrong. Your logic isn't.

What you "said is if there is insufficient cooling, there would be throttling," and your failed logic suggests that heat presenting in a few iPhones means that Apple would "be coming out with a fix, which will probably throttle the processor."

A) There is not insufficient cooling, as evidenced by millions of properly operational iPhone 15 PMs, including mine. Ergo the solution is not likely to be to throttle the processor. These are iPhones not the DIY PC in your basement.

B) An issue presenting on a subset of recently released phones probably involves software conflicts with app(s). Usually fixed with dot iOS updates in the weeks immediately after release.

That's just BS. All processors are designed to monitor their temperature and throttle when the temperature rises too high. iPhones clearly have a design flaw. There are two temperature thresholds in the phone design: the processor should not heat beyond certain threshold to avoid a failure. The processor also should not get so hot as to make the phone itself uncomfortable to touch. Depending on the design of the phone cooling system, one or another threshold could be lower. In this case, despite of what Apple is saying, it looks like phone coling system is poor. The processor gets hot (but not too hot as to fail) and it heats the case too much. If iPhone had all the features of the DIY PC (I am pretty sure all PCs have these features), the system should be able to tell the processor to start throttling even if the processor itself still has thermal space.

Apple saying that non-optimized apps cause the overheating is pure BS too. Apps have no control over the device temperature and they are not supposed to monitor it. It's the processor and the whole device (OS, sensors etc.) that should monitor the temps and throttle the apps as necessary. The app will always try to get as much resources as it needs. What Apple is implying is that if you only run the simple apps which do not require much in terms of processing power (aka "optimized apps") the phone will never overheat. The assumption is that their users are stupid and won't bblame them for design flaws.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

Yes, it is. A facade is simply the external layer. There is nothing in the definition of facade that remotely suggests it can’t ALSO be structural. A facade is simply the front/outward facing component. You can rage reply and argue, but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of the frame is aluminum and 1 mm of Grade 5 titanium is the facade. You may not like that, but that is what Apple chose to do.

No. You are intentionally using the term facade because of its evolved perception rather than for accuracy. From Merriam-Webster: Somewhere along the way facade took on a figurative sense, referring to a way of behaving or appearing that gives other people a false idea of your true feelings or situation. This is similar to the figurative use of veneer, which originally had the simple meaning of a thin layer of wood that was used to cover something, and now may also refer to a sort of deceptive behavior that masks one’s actual feelings (as in, “he had a thin veneer of politeness”).

Better would be to use Monocoque, a structural system in which loads are supported by an object's external skin, in a manner similar to an egg shell. Or unibody, which is similar. We agree that both the Titanium alloy frame and the aluminum interior are part of the framework (after all it is bonded metal), but calling the Titanium alloy frame a facade is intentionally misleading from a word perception sense.

 

[iReality85]

From everything I’ve read, seems like it’s mainly related to the Pro Max and highly situational? I just got my iPhone 15 Pro, and not a single overheat issue.

Whenever upgrading to a new iOS, it’s always best to make sure all apps are force closed, and no apps run in the background. Make sure you’re upgraded to the latest version too (like the 17.0.X updates that came out in rapid succession). And for added measure, when done, power down the iPhone completely for a couple minutes. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but I remember that the iPhone used to do a memory discharge after a few minutes of being off.

Anyway, if it’s indeed app related, it’s really up to the user to make sure everything is turned off; in most cases, installs will go fine. If overheating is still a problem, then it’s trial by error to pin point which apps are causing overheating. I wouldn’t use said apps until they’re updated for iOS 17.

 

[goonie4life9]

No. You are intentionally using the term facade because of its evolved perception rather than for accuracy. From Merriam-Webster: Somewhere along the way facade took on a figurative sense, referring to a way of behaving or appearing that gives other people a false idea of your true feelings or situation. This is similar to the figurative use of veneer, which originally had the simple meaning of a thin layer of wood that was used to cover something, and now may also refer to a sort of deceptive behavior that masks one’s actual feelings (as in, “he had a thin veneer of politeness”).

Better would be to use Monocoque, a structural system in which loads are supported by an object's external skin, in a manner similar to an egg shell. Or unibody, which is similar. We agree that both the Titanium alloy frame and the aluminum interior are part of the framework (after all it is bonded metal), but calling the Titanium alloy frame a facade is intentionally misleading from a word perception sense.

Nope, you’re making bad faith assumptions because you’re looking for a reason to rage reply. From the Cambridge dictionary, a facade is the, “the front of a building” and “A person’s façade is the image that person presents to others.” Facade is a perfectly accurate word to refer to the 1-mm of titanium, which is the front of a majority aluminum frame and is what is presented to others. Just because you don’t like that Apple chose to use a majority aluminum frame with a 1-mm Grade 5 titanium facade doesn’t change the fact that it is intentionally misleading to claim the entire frame is titanium.

 

[Allen_Wentz]

That's just BS. All processors are designed to monitor their temperature and throttle when the temperature rises too high. iPhones clearly have a design flaw. There are two temperature thresholds in the phone design: the processor should not heat beyond certain threshold to avoid a failure. The processor also should not get so hot as to make the phone itself uncomfortable to touch. Depending on the design of the phone cooling system, one or another threshold could be lower. In this case, despite of what Apple is saying, it looks like phone coling system is poor. The processor gets hot (but not too hot as to fail) and it heats the case too much. If iPhone had all the features of the DIY PC (I am pretty sure all PCs have these features), the system should be able to tell the processor to start throttling even if the processor itself still has thermal space.

Apple saying that non-optimized apps cause the overheating is pure BS too. Apps have no control over the device temperature and they are not supposed to monitor it. It's the processor and the whole device (OS, sensors etc.) that should monitor the temps and throttle the apps as necessary. The app will always try to get as much resources as it needs. What Apple is implying is that if you only run the simple apps which do not require much in terms of processing power (aka "optimized apps") the phone will never overheat. The assumption is that their users are stupid and won't bblame them for design flaws.

Lotta nonsensical words. Not "iPhones clearly have a design flaw." There is a software issue (apparently identified) that causes some 15s to overheat. iOS and apps will quickly evolve to fix it.