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there is 0% chance this happens. ya, it's not a failure but there is almost zero reason for anyone with a 6 to upgrade - especially those that paid $199 for 32GB.

Maybe if Apple sabotages iOS9 for older devices though, this will have a domino effect for people to upgrade.


Gazelle.com is only one source but they state that they have had twice as many used iPhone sell requests as last year prior to the 6/6+ launch. That's pretty crazy.
 
What do you think will happen if 2 year contracts go away completely by the time the iPhone 7 is released next year? Will some people think twice about getting it if they can't get it for only $199 or $299 at checkout.

Meh.....AT&T Next just takes the full amount and breaks it out over time. I pay for my stuff in full up front but when talking with the sales reps they say most just add $25-35 to their monthly bill. They said it actually helps sell phones vs someone having to come up with $199 or $299.

Ah, the world of technology....
 
Launch weekend sales are limited by supply not by demand. Apple regularly sells every iPhone it has on launch weekend and this year is unlikely to be an exception. You watch, every store in the U.S. will be sold out by the end of the weekend. Same thing will happen in China and everywhere else in the world. The supply chain is so strong that new phones will come in from place to place and time to time, but there won't be any Apple stores just sitting there with iPhones on the shelf available for purchase by the end of even the first launch day, much less through Sunday when re-supply shipments dry up. If Apple had had 15 million iPhone 6 available for sale last year, it would have sold them all on launch weekend. This is especially the case if it had launched in China that weekend. So launch numbers are really just Apple and Tim Cook showing off how much supply they are able to stockpile ahead of launch. And I think it is easier to stockpile the S cycle phones because form factor and assembly is much more similar to the phones the manufacturers have been producing for a year already.

Exactly.

It makes me wonder, though, why Apple doesn't have 20 or 30 million iPhones available on the launch weekend.

I'm pretty sure they would sell all of them that first weekend.

But if they didn't... they would only be around for a couple days. It's not like iPhones spoil.
 
No surprise a lot of iPhone 6 and 6 Plus owners fed up with 1GB DRAM reloads so they're upgrading.
 
No surprise a lot of iPhone 6 and 6 Plus owners fed up with 1GB DRAM reloads so they're upgrading.
If those owners were that pissed off, would they buy another iPhone? Of course not!
Could it possibly be that you are a bit annoyed that it still isn't doomsday for Apple?
 
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It makes me wonder, though, why Apple doesn't have 20 or 30 million iPhones available on the launch weekend.

I'm pretty sure that global manufacturing capacity for cellphones is pretty much constrained. Factor in that the 6 and 6+ are also still being manufactured besides the 6s and 6s+, and the amount of factories able to produce the next flagship goes further down.

There are all sorts of conspiracy theories around that try to explain this, but common sense tells us that Apple would sell 100 million in the first weekend if they could. The demand seems to be there, so the most sensible explanation is that there is just not enough manufacturing capacity for the phone or its components.
 
It is not a fair comparison since last year did not include China in the first weekend pre-order sales.

Perhaps, but for shareholders a sold iPhone is a sold iPhone regardless of whether it lands in Toronto or Timbuktu.
 
I guess I must write this oft heard line ------ Apple is doomed -------
Haha! :p Was thinking the same thing (and I got the joke). "Epic Fail!" is what everyone always seems to say no matter what sales are like. Apple puts out a product. If it sells out on day one...Epic failure because they didn't make enough. If they don't sell out on day one, they're a failure because they should have sold out on day one. :rolleyes:

I understand that people are amazed that the 6s would sell so well when everyone has a 6 (presumably). But there were people who were on two year contracts like me and waited for a year. There's also the new situation with no two-year contract. That might have gotten a lot of customers who haven't been able to afford a new phone and now they can. And yes, there's always the China numbers.

And the rose gold is very pretty.
 
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Exactly.

It makes me wonder, though, why Apple doesn't have 20 or 30 million iPhones available on the launch weekend.

I'm pretty sure they would sell all of them that first weekend.

But if they didn't... they would only be around for a couple days. It's not like iPhones spoil.

They don't have that many around because there is a limited number of iPhone manufacturing facilities and workers available and such facilities and workforce can only make so many iPhones per day. The manufacturing of new generation iPhones only start after the design and all the bugs have been fully figured out (the one thing that could genuinely "doom" Apple would be a recall of the iPhones after they've made tens of millions of them).

I think most of the manufacturing world is actually genuinely shocked at Apple is capable of a launching 10 million new products over the course of a weekend. Nothing else in the world that is similarly complex gets launched in similar numbers.

This is also why Apple always says that they can't really tell what demand is for their products until they achieve supply balance. Until products are sitting around in all the stores all over the world that want to stock the product, it is unclear what the limit of world wide demand actually is. We get hints based on how fast things sell out. But we don't know until products sit around unsold.
 
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No one complains about reloads outside of these forums....

On the contrary, my wife complains all the time about her iPad doing that to her, as does my daughter on her iPhone. Yet neither one is even remotely interested in an Apple forum.

I've about given up posting from my old iPad minis, because of constantly getting the dreaded "have to reload the page" error. Not to mention being unable to switch between apps without everything reloading. I'd love more RAM.
 
On the contrary, my wife complains all the time about her iPad doing that to her, as does my daughter on her iPhone. Yet neither one is even remotely interested in an Apple forum.

I've about given up posting from my old iPad minis, because of constantly getting the dreaded "have to reload the page" error. Not to mention being unable to switch between apps without everything reloading. I'd love more RAM.

Someone who owns an iPhone 6 Plus asked me about that and I told her that it's a memory issue. I told her that it shouldn't be an issue with the new 6s Plus with 2GB of RAM and she could upgrade. She told me that she can't upgrade for another year and she was hoping it wouldn't be a problem with the iPhone 7 Plus when she signs up for a new 2-year contract (if 2-year contracts are still available by then).
 
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Yeah. I finally pre-ordered new 6S phones to upgrade two of my family 4S 64 GB phones. They have served me well but the tech finally moved far enough along where I really wanted one when the 6S came out; mainly NFC for ApplePay and the A9.

T-Mobile
had a fantastic deal via their "Jump On Demand" lease where the phones were over $100 off for the opening weekend. I was going to wait a bit and buy used 6 phones off CraigsList once the new 6S phones were in full supply, but I just had to finally bite at these prices! Ordered a 6S-64 GB & a 6S Plus-64 GB. Can't wait to get them.

I had to add $100 down to get the 64GB phones but here's what it was...

Starting this Saturday morning at midnight PT, you can pre-order a new 16GB iPhone 6s for an unprecedented $20 a month for 18 months with JUMP! On Demand – and iPhone 6s Plus is just $24 a month – both with $0 down. Of course, with JUMP! On Demand, you don’t pay a penny out of pocket upfront with qualifying credit – not even sales tax – and you have the ultimate flexibility to upgrade your phone whenever you want. Not once a year. Not with fees or waiting periods. Just turn in your working phone and start with a brand new one, absolutely whenever you want (up to 3x per year).

After your 18 monthly payments, you can hand back your phone and pay nothing more. Or you can pay just $164 more if you want to keep your 16GB iPhone 6s. That means your total cost to own your phone is just $524 – that’s a screaming deal. It’s special introductory pricing for our launch, and it won’t last long.​

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/lifetime-coverage-guarantee.htm
 
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They don't have that many around because there is a limited number of iPhone manufacturing facilities and workers available and such facilities and workforce can only make so many iPhones per day. The manufacturing of new generation iPhones only start after the design and all the bugs have been fully figured out (the one thing that could genuinely "doom" Apple would be a recall of the iPhones after they've made tens of millions of them).

I think most of the manufacturing world is actually genuinely shocked at Apple is capable of a launching 10 million new products over the course of a weekend. Nothing else in the world that is similarly complex gets launched in similar numbers.

This is also why Apple always says that they can't really tell what demand is for their products until they achieve supply balance. Until products are sitting around in all the stores all over the world that want to stock the product, it is unclear what the limit of world wide demand actually is. We get hints based on how fast things sell out. But we don't know until products sit around unsold.

I'm pretty sure that global manufacturing capacity for cellphones is pretty much constrained. Factor in that the 6 and 6+ are also still being manufactured besides the 6s and 6s+, and the amount of factories able to produce the next flagship goes further down.

There are all sorts of conspiracy theories around that try to explain this, but common sense tells us that Apple would sell 100 million in the first weekend if they could. The demand seems to be there, so the most sensible explanation is that there is just not enough manufacturing capacity for the phone or its components.

Ok... so manufacturing is the limiting factor.

Can't they start building these phones a week or two earlier?

(I realize the fine folks at Apple are much smarter than me... I'm just trying to wrap my head around this...)
 
Yeah. I finally pre-ordered new 6S phones to upgrade two of my family 4S 64 GB phones. They have served me well but the tech finally moved far enough along where I really wanted one when the 6 came out; mainly NFC for ApplePay and the A9.

T-Mobile
had a fantastic deal via their "Jump On Demand" lease where the phones were over $100 off for the opening weekend. I just had to finally bite!! Ordered a 6S-64 GB & a 6S Plus-64 GB. Can't wait to get them.

I had to add $100 down to get the 64GB phones but here's what it was...

Starting this Saturday morning at midnight PT, you can pre-order a new 16GB iPhone 6s for an unprecedented $20 a month for 18 months with JUMP! On Demand – and iPhone 6s Plus is just $24 a month – both with $0 down. Of course, with JUMP! On Demand, you don’t pay a penny out of pocket upfront with qualifying credit – not even sales tax – and you have the ultimate flexibility to upgrade your phone whenever you want. Not once a year. Not with fees or waiting periods. Just turn in your working phone and start with a brand new one, absolutely whenever you want (up to 3x per year).

After your 18 monthly payments, you can hand back your phone and pay nothing more. Or you can pay just $164 more if you want to keep your 16GB iPhone 6s. That means your total cost to own your phone is just $524 – that’s a screaming deal. It’s special introductory pricing for our launch, and it won’t last long.​

http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/issues-insights-blog/lifetime-coverage-guarantee.htm

John, is that you?
 
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there is 0% chance this happens. ya, it's not a failure but there is almost zero reason for anyone with a 6 to upgrade - especially those that paid $199 for 32GB.

Maybe if Apple sabotages iOS9 for older devices though, this will have a domino effect for people to upgrade.
There are plenty of reasons to upgrade

3D touch
2GB of ram
better camera
4K recording
Live photos

and the sales prove that plenty want the 6S
 
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