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What evidence is there of that? If anything, I would support the idea that demand is typically lower on the S Cycle, since it isn't attracting as many people seeking the iPhone for it's new looks (unlike the Non S cycle).

I am not talking about demand, demand might be lower but supply should be higher on the S cycle and since demand is generally higher than supply regardless of the cycle they should be able to sell more of the S model in the first week sales numbers that they tout.
 
Didn't make sense to me - last year there was only 1 week of preorders + launch weekend. This time there are 2 weeks. Am I missing something? Not really that comparable.
 
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At some point phone burnout will happen just like PC burnout when people realize they do not need a new phone ever year or two.
That will happen once most people are off of two year contracts. Most people who got the 6 are still on two year contracts while those who are getting the 6S are more likely to be on one of the payment plans. So my guess is the 7S is where it might start to slow down a bit.
 
i didn't pre-order... it's the "s" model. i'm just going to walk into a Verizon store on the 25th around noon swipe my debt card and walk out like a boss! with a 6s 64gb. It's not going to be too difficult to get a 6s.
 
At some point phone burnout will happen just like PC burnout when people realize they do not need a new phone ever year or two.

And by this time next year when the iPhone 7 arrives, two-year plans will most likely be history in the US so that will play a role as well in encouraging people to hold on to their phones a little longer.
 
And this, folks, is why quite a few of us don't take the opinion of shareholders in high regard. :)

So, then please tell me how it matters who buys the phones? And according to you what should shareholders focus on in stead, besides a solid business that is built to grow profit and revenue by producing products that consumers want?

Your comment sounds very much like one of these knee-jerk "oh, a shareholder/analyst (cross which doesn't apply)! What he says must be nonsense because I hate them" type of comments.
 
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That will happen once most people are off of two year contracts. Most people who got the 6 are still on two year contracts while those who are getting the 6S are more likely to be on one of the payment plans. So my guess is the 7S is where it might start to slow down a bit.

What do you think will happen if 2 year contracts go away completely by the time the iPhone 7 is released next year? Will some people think twice about getting it if they can't get it for only $199 or $299 at checkout.
 
What do you think will happen if 2 year contracts go away completely by the time the iPhone 7 is released next year? Will some people think twice about getting it if they can't get it for only $199 or $299 at checkout.
I think they will, the initial shock of the higher price will make a lot more people think about if they really need to upgrade and a lot of them will decide they are better off keeping their current phone for another year or two.
 
What do you think will happen if 2 year contracts go away completely by the time the iPhone 7 is released next year? Will some people think twice about getting it if they can't get it for only $199 or $299 at checkout.

In the UK, sim-only contracts are pretty much the only sensible option if you have the capital. You end up saving £250+ over getting a standard 24-month contract when you buy a phone outright with sim-only. It's worth striving to build that capital to save yourself $400!

Example:
Phone @ £619, sim-only contract for 2 years at £12.90 --> total = £930
Phone @ £99, 24-month contract with less data at £48 --> total = £1,251

£320 difference ~ $500.
 
I can't upgrade until release day due to wanting to get money off by trading in my 6.

I have to hope my local carrier store near work has stock of iPhone 6S model in 64GB+ capacity.. It's a long wait till launch day :cool:
 
I think they will, the initial shock of the higher price will make a lot more people think about if they really need to upgrade and a lot of them will decide they are better off keeping their current phone for another year or two.

There really isn't much shock to that price considering you can buy the phone on installment plans from any cell provider. Are you going to notice another $30 per month charged to your credit card? Or are you going to notice using the improved cell phone that you use a hundred times per day? Unless you are really broke by U.S. standards, I don't think it makes sense not to upgrade your most valuable and used piece of technology.

Of course I say that with a 2011 iMac sitting on my desk at home. So I guess I'm not entirely consistent.
 
Tim Cook is the wizard of supply chain management.

Cook hasn't been in charge of the supply chain in years, ever since he jumped from COO to CEO.

The person to praise is the VP of Operations, Jeff Williams.

Truly remarkable. Only Apple can sell more iPhones this year than last year.

That's because only Apple sells iPhones :D
 
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So much for being a 'dud' huh?

At this point I don't think Apple can release a dud. It would take an absolutely monumental failure on somebody's part. Their fanbase is so strong, their 'brand' (even amongst people who hate it/don't use it) is so prevalent...how do you release a dud? Every year it grows, and because of high customer retention, a high number of existing also choose to ugrade.
 
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there is 0% chance this happens. ya, it's not a failure but there is almost zero reason for anyone with a 6 to upgrade - especially those that paid $199 for 32GB.

Maybe if Apple sabotages iOS9 for older devices though, this will have a domino effect for people to upgrade.
 
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And this, folks, is why quite a few of us don't take the opinion of shareholders in high regard. :)

And the above is why shareholders (and millions of Apple customers) don't hold the complainers in this forum in high regard. We would prefer that they satisfy an industry leading number of mobile phone buyers (in competitive sales numbers and customer satisfaction ratings), even if it pokes a few complainers here in the eye. Rather than vice-versa.
 
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Tim Cook is the wizard of supply chain management.
Cook hasn't been in charge of the supply chain in years, ever since he jumped from COO to CEO.

The person you should be praising is the VP of Operations, Jeff Williams.

Tim Cook's experience in supply chain management now permeates Apple in the same way that Steve Jobs' obsession with design and usability did.
 
Two people so far in my family are upgrading (besides me). One coming from a 5, another from the 5S. On the last earnings call Apple said the percentage of install base that upgraded to the 6/6 Plus was still pretty low. So I expect a lot of 5/5S/5C owners to upgrade this cycle.
This.

I'm upgrading from a 5s
 
Better camera? If you look at the specification they only increase the pixel size. It's the exactly same lens as last year. The minor difference is the F/2.2 stop. I wouldn't compare this camera with the one in the SG6+.

You are neglecting the better processing of all those added pixels. Like the keynote movie said, adding pixels of resolution actually makes the image WORSE if you don't have the right processing behind it. And if you don't have a great lens system, you won't get a good image from the start.
 
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