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Both uses you suggest—scrolling and pinching—are expertly achieved with the touchpad. The way I see it, Wintel machines only introduced touch screens because their touchpads are so horribly designed and implemented.
That is true, but working on a desktop I would think a regular mouse is the better option.
 
I always thought it would be neat to have a 12 inch MacBook sized device that could run both Mac OS and iOS. I know it may sound silly but it would be neat if the Intel system could shut down and run the Mac off an ARM system for simple tasks like web browsing, email and note taking etc. really just to save battery and have a more basic UI and then you could use the Intel system for higher end tasks.
 
The only reason MacRumors trolls tout touchscreen is because it’s something Apple doesn’t do. I bought my wife a top end HP laptop for her Bernina sewing machine embroidery design software. Neither of us use the touchscreen... ever. And care to provide any evidence that touchscreens are ubiquitous? It’s a gimmick... and so is the touch bar on the Mac Pros.

Hey person who works at HP, take a hint or tidbit from user research like this.
 
No ARM based iMac? Cool. I used an Atom based computer for awhile, and it was fine for most things, but when it was bogged down, it was BOGGED DOWN. Unusable...

Touchscreen? I think, aside from some niche markets, touchscreen is a fad. Some may have a use for one, and there are after market solutions for that I think I've seen, but a mass market touchscreen iMac? Pass...

Two really good decisions...
 
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Times change. Look at iPad. Blank statements like that are often proven incorrect.

That was a sales tactic to convenience people they didn't need a stylus.. SJ was good at sales / marketing tactics.
Nothing was proven incorrect. Wrong context. That comment is in direct reference to the primary method of input.

That doesn't mean digital pencils have no additional value.
 
For touch screens to work, the software and hardware has to be designed correctly, which Apple can't or unwilling to do.

Same can be said for Microsoft.. Windows 8.1/10 are horrible frankenstein OS's that don't know if they're for touch or mouse. You get to push big buttons to do some things, but then when you're done, you have to click this itty bitty tiny X box in the top right corner.. right next to maximize and minimize, which often get clicked instead by accident.

That being said, I hate touchscreen on computers.. mostly because I hate the glare from fingerprints. On a tablet it's expect, but not on a laptop or desktop.
 
Not used the Mac Book Pro Touch Bar, other then in Apple Store. From that experience I would rather have a touch screen. Interesting to hear what others thoughts are.
 
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So just because some people don't use it means they shouldn't exist at all? Okay...

Nope. Research shows most don't use it to justify its existence. It's very hard to argue its existence other than an initial perceived value, rather than a real one.
 
The future is licensed MacOS running on user-supplied, intel hardware. Everything else Apple makes and sells will have iOS and use A-series CPUs. The Mac lines of hardware are dead.
 
Never say never.
I don't believe they'll change their mind soon about a touchscreen Mac but they're going to make their own custom GPU so an ARM Mac is not so unlikely in the future.
 
As usual Apple will say it's a bad idea until they release a Mac with a touchscreen. But if or when they do that, the OS will have been modified enough to make it a better experience than what Windows currently does for touch, and Apple will argue that they finally nailed it. Just like with the iPad stylus.

And I think Apple needs to do this. I use a Mac and iPad at home, but at work my computer is a Surface Pro 4. The touch UI is far from perfect but it's good enough to be worth having, and using a styus is pretty great. Many apps particularly Office have a toggle to make the toolbar buttons bigger for touch. Also one can learn to tap a pretty small on-screen target with their finger (or the stylus) with a bit of care.

So hopefully Apple is working on this.
 
Well they have tested both. They may not have solid plans for either, although ARM processors in Macs are currently of more interest to them, including ARM based Macs as they are definitely interested in the possibility of exploring that area.
I guess to say anything different would be to upset their current chip partner, and reveal their hand when it comes to how far they've been able to advance their A series chips...
 
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Nope. Research shows most don't use it to justify its existence. It's very hard to argue its existence other than an initial perceived value, rather than a real one.

And what research did you gather that from?

Regardless, it's about giving users options. There are no disadvantages of having a touchscreen computer even if you don't use that part of it. They cost no more than non-touch models and will soon be standard.
 
They've made a big mistake by foregoing touch screens and now that they're so far behind everybody else they're doubling down. Touchscreens are nice; the Touch Bar is totally lame. I've done Lightroom on a touchscreen Windows laptop with an active pen and it is so much better than the Mac versions with Touch Bar. A Surface Book or HP Spectre x360 is very tempting to me. It's hard to justify staying with Apple when they keep falling farther and farther behind. Not to mention putting up with the crappy keyboard on the new MBP's. But, here I am, typing this on a new MBP and telling myself the grass just looks greener over there. Sigh.
 
I hope they have some assurances from Intel that they can continue increasing speed while decreasing power consumption like Apple's A-series or the A-series is going to surpass them if they keep the current pace for a few more years. Intel has been really slowing down in recent years. There isn't much point in upgrading your Mac every 2-3 years like there used to be. More like every 4-6 years or even longer for people who aren't power users. There just isn't really a benefit, which is why Apple bolts on superfluous stuff like the TouchBar to entice people. The only real benefits are in GPU and SSD speed improvements, and considering the lack of games on the Mac, and the displays settling in to retina for the long-term, it's not a big deal any more.
 
Touch Screen on a PC is stupid, as so it would be to using ARM based chips. However, I wish Apple would allow AMD to compete against Intel; Intel has become way too comfortable as of late.

An AMD based Retina MacBook might light a fire under Intel.
 
Good. I am waiting on the iMac update and will purchase one. I would hate to have the 27 inch screen covered with finger prints. I have an iPad Pro for touchscreen stuff.
 
Who cares about touch on a pro computer. I can't believe all those journalists didn't ask about a pen.

Wacom owns this space and visual creative professionals pay whatever Wacom wants. Apple was clearly interested with the Pencil. Why not bring it to Mac OS?
 
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