What's absurd is removing the physical F keys so we cannot touch type anymore.
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Apple Says It Has No Plans for Solely ARM-Based or Touchscreen Macs
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I always hoped they would do something like this patent they filed in 2010. When engaged into the lower mode, the UI would transform to have larger tap targets to be more touch friendly. It would all be bundled into the same binary for apps. This would be nice for graphic artists and illustrators who could use the Apple Pencil on such a display.
So MS just went ahead and did what Apple had patent on 2010?
To be really useful, a touchscreen would need to be usable horizontally. That would require redesigning the base of the iMac (like the Surface Studio or the image macduke shared) and making the MacBook lower section removable or completely foldable. Using a touchscreen in kiosk mode would satisfy a very small, niche market, which is probably better served with an iPad.
I'm OK with touchscreens remaining in the realm of 3rd party vendors. I just wish there were more of them as Wacom is the only one offering a resolution higher than 1080.
I have not followed the ARM news closely. As far as I know, Apple has a version of iOS and its apps running on it, but what happens to other apps? Do they run in emulation like Rosetta?
I'm OK with touchscreens remaining in the realm of 3rd party vendors. I just wish there were more of them as Wacom is the only one offering a resolution higher than 1080.
I have not followed the ARM news closely. As far as I know, Apple has a version of iOS and its apps running on it, but what happens to other apps? Do they run in emulation like Rosetta?
If Apple would stop dragging their feet and make a "Pro" OS for the iPad "PRO" this would be a moot point.
MacBooks have the touchpad (which is fantastic, and a major reason I buy these computers in the first place), putting a touchscreen on them would just be redundant.
As far as desktops go, it would seem out of place really. Most people I know prefer using a mouse+keyboard for their desktops anyway. And Apple has the Magic Trackpad so that makes the touchscreen pointless again.
ARM chips on Macs? Please, Intel's processors would outclass any processor that Apple could put out on its own. It would just put Apple farther behind in the hardware department (which is something they cannot afford). On top of that, there's no guarantee that programs that everybody already uses would continue to work on the theoretical proprietary chips. AND macOS would have to be ported to ARM chips (since it's x86-64 based).
At this point Apple's just stating the obvious.
MacBooks have the touchpad (which is fantastic, and a major reason I buy these computers in the first place), putting a touchscreen on them would just be redundant.
As far as desktops go, it would seem out of place really. Most people I know prefer using a mouse+keyboard for their desktops anyway. And Apple has the Magic Trackpad so that makes the touchscreen pointless again.
ARM chips on Macs? Please, Intel's processors would outclass any processor that Apple could put out on its own. It would just put Apple farther behind in the hardware department (which is something they cannot afford). On top of that, there's no guarantee that programs that everybody already uses would continue to work on the theoretical proprietary chips. AND macOS would have to be ported to ARM chips (since it's x86-64 based).
At this point Apple's just stating the obvious.
Yeah, Apple had a patent for the keyboard design on the Surface as well. There has been speculation that there is some kind of agreement between the companies for these patents.
It's intriguing but I wonder if what we have now isn't just as good? I use a Wacom, not a Cintiq, and an iPad Pro with the Apple Pencil and I draw professionally every day. I don't feel the need to combine the devices and having each with slightly advantages and disadvantages is not a bad thing. I suspect it wouldn't sell in that great of numbers as what we have works well. But I agree, cool concept. I suppose they built one and tried it out and discovered issues. Having the OS pop over into new forms seems clunky to me though.I always hoped they would do something like this patent they filed in 2010. When engaged into the lower mode, the UI would transform to have larger tap targets to be more touch friendly. It would all be bundled into the same binary for apps. This would be nice for graphic artists and illustrators who could use the Apple Pencil on such a display.
Yes.. I agree - hence my comment "the software must be designed correctly for touch screen".
Do you dislike touchscreen computers because currently there isn't a good solution for both hardware and software to support a Touchscreen environment?
[doublepost=1491408852][/doublepost]If my hand is already at the screen, it is going to be faster. So it depends on your current position.
So, yes, it is uncertain, I suppose.
Quote: "Touch screens work best when your fingers are already on the screen"
The same thing can be said about mouse / touchpad too.
The Apple Pencil is mainly a drawing tool, and using it as a stylus is optional. You don't need a stylus for input on the iPad.
I always envisioned it smoothly transforming as you lower it. I'm not sure if it was in this patent, but there was one where you grabbed the sides and it detected your heartbeat to know it was a person grabbing it, and it disengaged the latch and slowly lowered down.
Yeah, taking an iPad with you everywhere is probably a better solution, but can you completely finish an illustration for a client on an iPad, top to bottom, at high resolution? Guess it depends on the project. Anything I've ever done is usually then incorporated into a page layout program, or optimized for the web, or if it's more fine vector work—it's put into Xcode for an app. I haven't had to draw much beyond sketches on my iPad before, so I haven't dove deep into it for a couple years, and back then canvases were limited to like 2048x2048 and only a few layers at a time for anything raster. But heard about a lot more vector stuff coming out since then that could possibly take that really far.
I prefer the idea discussed in one of yesterday's threads about fully integrating the iPad Pro with the Mac so that it can act as a WACOM-style tablet. You draw on the iPad with Apple Pencil and it appears on the desktop screen in real time for further graphical editing & vice versa (open file on desktop and it appears on iPad for annotation etc). I do not see any clear benefits to the majority of users in having a touchscreen on a laptop or desktop compared to a good touchpad by the keyboard. We have a few HP tablet laptop things in the office & I rarely see the touch screen being used.
The touchpad needs some sort of tactile feedback at minimum. As a touch typist myself, I have found the touchpad to be very unusable. Touch typists can easily tell if their fingers on the correct or incorrect key - the touch pad makes this very hard.
Really glad ARM will not be used as the main processor. Hopefully peeps will let this die. No way in hell will an ARM processor be able to keep up with an Intel CPU when it comes to intense processing (i.e. music/video).
Now if Apple would do a design change for the iTrash, I mean Mac Pro, that would be awesome.
Now if Apple would do a design change for the iTrash, I mean Mac Pro, that would be awesome.
This makes sense. If your need is a touchscreen for drawing or similar, buy a Cintiq. A touch screen iMac would imply that touch is one of the ways you use your Mac. As fundamental as a mouse and keyboard, which means it would need building in to everything.
I often use a graphics tablet with my Mac - it doesn't mean I think every Mac should be changed so that a Wacom pen is how you get around the OS and browse the web.
I often use a graphics tablet with my Mac - it doesn't mean I think every Mac should be changed so that a Wacom pen is how you get around the OS and browse the web.
They just need a more powerful ARM chip that can power the basic mail/web surfing things...and get for macbooks at least 10-12 hours with light usage and i want to activate the Apple pencil input for those big trackpads...since magic trackpad and the new ones from the new macbooks/pro are big enough and i think that was the focus for them. But i think they need the apple pencil 2 and the new macOS
That's because you don't have a proper trackpad. I use the Magic Trackpad 2 with my iMac. Anything I would do with multitouch on the screen, I can do much more conveniently on the trackpad.
No, I dislike touchscreens because of fingerprints that invariably accumulate. My iPad I can quickly wipe on my shirt.. a laptop or desktop monitor, not so much. You shouldn't have to keep a spritzer of screen cleaner and a rag next to your monitor for day to day stuff.
I would rather want better ipad to mac connection like using apple pencil on the ipad to retouch a photo on photoshop running on mac while seeing the photo also on ipad and stuff like that
This is the dream right here, the Apple ecosystem should all work together seamlessly. This is what Apple is best at, rather than trying to stuff every feature into one machine, it makes devices that all work together.
Or at least it did at one point, they should really get back to that.
I get the feeling you're looking for an argument and frankly I'm not interested.
People misappropriate this quote all the time.
Jobs was referring to a stylus as the primary means of navigation on a mobile device.
The Apple Pencil is not that. It is a specific note-taking/graphic art tool. Not designed to be a navigation stylus.
The primary navigator on all iOS devices is still one's own fingers.
It's anecdote then. All the platforms I work on have touchscreen, and I work on a lot for HP. Even the ultra high end mobile workstations have them now.
Some users find them useful. Some don't. It doesn't cost that much any more to include it.
In all the meetings I attend tho, people do use the touchscreens for stuff. It's like any other tool.
I don't know why you're being a dick, but whatever.