ARM and Atom architectures are nowhere near similar - not a good comparison. Although I will agree Atom chips sucked.
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Apple Says It Has No Plans for Solely ARM-Based or Touchscreen Macs
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I think the reason for no touchscreen Macs is so that they can sell both a MacBook and an iPad to pro users. They've likely determined, via market studies, that most of the customers who need both (and currently use macOS) can afford to pay for both, and will rather do that than put up with Windows. Thus higher AAPL profits.
As for ARM MacBooks, I'm hoping for a non-homogenous processor OS that can somehow run on x86 and ARM processors at the same time, where I can run almost all arm64 applications, and leave the x86 in low-power sleep mode, except when I need to run VirtualBox or Parallels, etc., for some legacy application.
As for ARM MacBooks, I'm hoping for a non-homogenous processor OS that can somehow run on x86 and ARM processors at the same time, where I can run almost all arm64 applications, and leave the x86 in low-power sleep mode, except when I need to run VirtualBox or Parallels, etc., for some legacy application.
....Macs alone (lopped off from the rest of Apple) generated $7.244bn in sales in quarter one of this year. That's more than PepsiCo pulls in during a quarter. How the hell is that pointless? That's more money than entire nations have.
Exactly, im not sure why people keep bringing this up.. Old phones REQUIRED the stylus, thats what jobs meant.
See, I don't get this. It seems far easier to use the trackpad for scrolling and pinch to zoom. My hands are already at the keyboard.
They're probably not concerned because they realize that anyone concerned about fingerprints on the screen could simply not touch the screen, or wipe the screen, or use one of the many styluses, or touchscreen finger condoms, or... Just like they do or don't do with iPads and iPhones.
People are rightly correcting those who bring up Jobs quote about a stylus. He was referencing it negatively as a requirement, not as an option. That same frame of mind applies to a touchscreen. It would be an option, not a requirement. Use/don't use. Up to the individual.
They don't care up to a point. Also, don't get too emotional about computer hardware--it's just an object not a political opinion and I'm not talking about your mother either.
Your experiences with people who don't care for their hardware doesn't make all people who use these devices idiots by the way. If you spill goo on a Mac keyboard it will still fry it as well--that doesn't make all Mac users idiots. Also, people who have different work or leisure requirements from their devices are not idiots either.
Whereas the MacBook Pro I bought a few years back is still usable today (after I upgraded it with a new fast SSD). And my iPhone 7 benchmarks faster than that MacBook Pro on lots of my code.
whenever Apple says no plans for whatever idea, you know they're working feverishly hard on it.
Yes...
I can deal with sanity...
Now all they need is to get the prices back down...
(the Mac Mini was originally $399 at launch)
Because it's a terrible user experience and it's not like Apple haven't tested it in fact Craig said in an interview after the MacBook Pro event that Apple even had working models at one point but it was a bad user experience.
As for the Touch Bar I not long ago got hands on with the 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and I was impressed with it, more than I thought I would be to be honest. I'm at the point now where I'm deciding between getting a 12" MacBook or the 13" MacBook Pro with a Touch Bar because I found it to be very useful. Of course not everyone is going to like the Touch Bar it's down to personal opinion but I think it could get even better over time and when more apps are updated for it.
Apple’s uncharacteristic announcements about a product’s future features is unprecedented. Clearly, they are aware that the veteran fans who embraced the brand because of its earliest products—the doers, not the consumers—are dismayed by Apple’s preoccupation with the iPhone and dismantling of the desktop ecosystem. This is/was Apple’s best evangelists, who could explain Apple’s product benefits and appeal. The soccer mom or tween who owns an iPhone couldn’t explain the differences between that smartphone or another. They were drawn to the brand by serendipity and vague notions of its luxury status. They have no interest in the brand’s history or culture. they don’t visit fan sites like this one. They’re not heavily vested. The next shiny brand that comes along will cause a mass exodus.
The fact that Apple is willing, or able, to divulge their desktop pipeline, is because they have quit innovating in that arena. They have nothing unique to hide from competitors. This is a dilemma for Apple. Their PCs—and its OS--are no longer special. Apple can no longer justify their premium pricing when competitors have copied everything from the hardware aesthetic, to the UI, and even the cloud and entertainment offerings.
The fact that Apple is willing, or able, to divulge their desktop pipeline, is because they have quit innovating in that arena. They have nothing unique to hide from competitors. This is a dilemma for Apple. Their PCs—and its OS--are no longer special. Apple can no longer justify their premium pricing when competitors have copied everything from the hardware aesthetic, to the UI, and even the cloud and entertainment offerings.
Try a touchscreen laptop once. It's a lot easier to reach out and get precise zoom levels when you are messing with the actual thing on the screen like iOS vs a touchpad.
I love my 2-in-1 PC with touch and pen. It's the best of all input options and light years ahead of a touchpad only or the gimmicky touchbar. It goes from laptop to tent (great for photo editing or presenting to a small audience) to tablet to inverted-L for using in bed. With it's 4k screen and decent battery life it lasts a while too. The pen input is great as well. Only downside is Windows but that is tolerable. If Apple made a 2-in-1 I'd be right there buying it. But they don't so Windows vendors will get my $$.
The funny thing about this whole nonsense is Apple sells basically a touchscreen Mac - it's called the iPad. With the smart keybaord it's 75% of a touch Macbook Pro, just missing a real OS. It has the same "limitations" they fight yet they are happy to sell it.
Standard procedure is to deny otherwise any hint of this leaking out would devastate sales and stocks.
They will say something clever like: we reached a wall because of moore's law or for security reason to protect your privacy.
They denied moving to intel for years from PowerPC and later they had a working intel version since 10.0.0
They will say something clever like: we reached a wall because of moore's law or for security reason to protect your privacy.
They denied moving to intel for years from PowerPC and later they had a working intel version since 10.0.0
Considering intel already makes a fanless cpu I dont see the point in going ARM besides cost. Also. MacOS is a lot more demanding than IOS.
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True IF you have a track pad. but most businesses/work places have mice.
Apple is the only computer manufacturer who doesn't have any touchscreens. Not even as a high-end option. Let that sink in.
They'll have to suck it up soon. As will all the trolls in this forum acting like touch is a terrible idea just because you don't need it. Are you aware that you don't have to buy the touch-models? And that you don't have to touch the screen? And that the world does not revolve around you?
After seeing Phil's additional comments, I am now EXTREMELY close to leaving Macs and getting a touch Windows machine, and switching from Logic Pro to Cubase instead, so that I can finally work like this again:
I had a Raven MTi2 (see video above) and the touch in music production was a ****ing massive liberation and a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge productivity and workflow booster which made music production into an amazingly fast, intuitive and joyful experience, but I didn't like its low screen resolution so I sold it and kept waiting for a touchscreen iMac. And yes, touch in music production is so incredible that I'd even survive a far worse OS (Windows) just to have it!
But apparently Apple is content with remaining left behind the rest of the world, with outdated hardware and no modern features. I guess it has something to do with their main desktop OS being far behind the modern times and not ready for touch (unlike Windows), so they "can't" just slap a touchscreen on it, and now they're trying to defend their negligence of their desktop platform.
Phil Schiller is an idiot.
The market is demanding touch more and more. Musicians benefit massively from it and drawing artists need it. And others are finding the joys in it. More and more apps and games are geared towards our most natural input method: Touching something. And kids love and expect touch everywhere (they grew up on touch-devices).
So yes it is inevitable. I just can't believe how obtuse and thick Phil Schiller is. He's hopefully just saying this because he's been desperately backed into a corner and is trying to defend Apple's negligence as the only computer manufacturer lacking touchscreens in 2017.
They'll have to suck it up soon. As will all the trolls in this forum acting like touch is a terrible idea just because you don't need it. Are you aware that you don't have to buy the touch-models? And that you don't have to touch the screen? And that the world does not revolve around you?
After seeing Phil's additional comments, I am now EXTREMELY close to leaving Macs and getting a touch Windows machine, and switching from Logic Pro to Cubase instead, so that I can finally work like this again:
I had a Raven MTi2 (see video above) and the touch in music production was a ****ing massive liberation and a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge productivity and workflow booster which made music production into an amazingly fast, intuitive and joyful experience, but I didn't like its low screen resolution so I sold it and kept waiting for a touchscreen iMac. And yes, touch in music production is so incredible that I'd even survive a far worse OS (Windows) just to have it!
But apparently Apple is content with remaining left behind the rest of the world, with outdated hardware and no modern features. I guess it has something to do with their main desktop OS being far behind the modern times and not ready for touch (unlike Windows), so they "can't" just slap a touchscreen on it, and now they're trying to defend their negligence of their desktop platform.
Phil Schiller is an idiot.
The market is demanding touch more and more. Musicians benefit massively from it and drawing artists need it. And others are finding the joys in it. More and more apps and games are geared towards our most natural input method: Touching something. And kids love and expect touch everywhere (they grew up on touch-devices).
So yes it is inevitable. I just can't believe how obtuse and thick Phil Schiller is. He's hopefully just saying this because he's been desperately backed into a corner and is trying to defend Apple's negligence as the only computer manufacturer lacking touchscreens in 2017.
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Directly touching the screen for PDFs and webpages is certainly nice but,
- If you do it for any extended amount of time, it's an ergonomic nightmare for my wrists
- The same smoothness/effects can be achieved on a trackpad
- fingerprints all over the usually glossy screen
- The screen wobbles unless I hold it by the edge when I'm doing gestures
- The vast majority of apps in Windows 10 is still very mouse/keyboard centric, even in touch mode. Windows 8 was better for touch apps, but not all that nice for mouse.
If the market demands it then there will be a touch mac. Phil also said that a screen should not be over 4" on a phone.
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This is very true, thats why I dont use it a lot, just here and there when its convenient.
The market is demanding touch more and more. Musicians benefit massively from it and drawing artists need it. And others are finding the joys in it. More and more apps and games are geared towards our most natural input method: Touching something. And kids love and expect touch everywhere (they grew up on touch-devices).
So yes it is inevitable. I just can't believe how obtuse and thick Phil Schiller is. He's hopefully just saying this because he's been desperately backed into a corner and is trying to defend Apple's negligence as the only computer manufacturer lacking touchscreens in 2017.
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Those were the fiddly little matchstick styluses on pre-iPhone smartphones that you needed because the icons were tiny and the resistive touch screens were rubbish. Today, we're talking about the sort of high-quality styluses and active digitisers made by Wacom or, of course, the Apple Pencil.
Can't Apple "Think Different" and realise that that is not the use-case for a touchscreen on an iMac? Have they seen the MS Surface Studio? (OK that hardware is expensive and outdated even by Apple standards, but the concept is sound...)
My 3 year old tries to touch my wife's macbook air screen to manipulate things..Touch is what kids are growing up with now and its assumed all is touch.
This. About 1/2 the time I touch the icons at the bottom of my touch screen computer. Its easier and quicker than finding the mouse cursor, navigating to the button and clicking. And scrolling webpages seems more natural as well with touch. Zooming works just like iOS - pinch and click on the screen.
Apple's whole management team needs to go. I vote them out all the time - hopefully other shareholders will see this too.