The NSA doesn't need your Apple ID to see who you called or texted. LOLYou know for the NSA
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Apple Says it Syncs Call Logs on iCloud As a 'Convenience to Customers' Amid Security Concerns
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I don't see how. They already let you disable iCloud Drive syncing per application in the settings. No reason not to include the Phone and Facetime apps too.
Oh absolutely, the sheer laughable huge hypocrisy of the Apple Appologists on here is palpable...
My big issue is that there is no way to turn it off, without completely disabling iCloud on the phone. I carry two phones, and have to keep iCloud disabled on one of them so my work and personal call history isn't mixed.
I mean...duh? If i buy a new iphone and restore from icloud, i WANT my call logs to be on my new device. That's part of the information i want restore. I could easily uncheck the areas i want synced and i wouldnt have it if i cared about privacy. So....duh?
I dont even see how this is an issue considering you can choose whether to sync this or not. Someone please fill me in on what im missing here
I dont even see how this is an issue considering you can choose whether to sync this or not. Someone please fill me in on what im missing here
I think you'I've missed the point, the call logs are sent back to Apple whether the phone is backed up to iCloud or not.
EDIT: Sorry yes disabling iCloud drive will get round this.
Buy an Android phone then?
Seriously I don't want to come across as glib with that but you might not care about your privacy at all but plenty do and have to for commercial/security purposes. Those people should have the choice and not be forced to use a platform where their data is being comprehensively harvested.
There are a lot of people for whom the kind of features offered by the Google assistant aren't particularly useful and certainly aren't worth the privacy trade off.
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It's basically a small molehill of an issue that there isn't a separate toggle to control it that attempts are being made to make it into some sort of a mountain of an issue.
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They aren't sent to Apple per se, they are simply part of the data that is part of one's personal and private iCloud account (like mail, contacts, and all kinds of other things can be).
I'm surprised they haven't made an option for purely user controlled keys yet. I know the advantages with restoring to new devices and such and lost keys but I'd think there could be an opt-in method to provide my own strong key that I'm responsible for and if lost I am totally out of luck with regards to my backups. I'd return to iCloud backups if this were done.
I'd like to be able to use some iCloud functionality but not have this. I already turned off iCloud backup but that doesn't mean that I don't want the ability to sync some files via iCloud. I expect they'll provide a configuration option for this soon now that it's been highlighted as a possible source of concern.
Probably need to understand the consequences of "adding another switch".
If you put a switch to turn off call history from iCloud Drive, that would mean either:
1. iCloud backup still backs up your call history
OR
2. iCloud backup no longer backs up your call history.
A knowledgable user would assume case number 1 is true. A dumb user would assume case number 2 is true since they incorrectly assume iCloud backup goes to your iCloud Drive (which sounds logical, but technically incorrect).
So what do we do? We add another switch in iCloud backups to allow the user to turn off call history from iCloud backups. But then a "dumb user" would turn off call history from iCloud Drive, but forget to turn off call history from iCloud backup because he/she did not know it needs to be disabled in both places. Unless, we don't care if iCloud Backups contain call history (but I'm sure we'll have someone like you asking about "why not add another switch to disable backing up call history?")
And then you need to do this for all devices (also need to add a switch in Time Machine to disable call history from Time Machine backups for macOS since you can make calls on those too).
Complex.
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no, i got that point. my point is: if your call history is so sensitive, you should probably disable iCloud drive as well (which the article says that disabling iCloud drive will stop your call history from syncing).
Again, the syncing that Elcomsoft is referring to has nothing to do with iCloud Backup. It's completely separate. Your post is thus based on a false premise.
If they probably just add another switch for something like Calls or Phone to iCloud settings next to Contacts, Mail, Notes, Safari, etc. that would likely do it.
Yes, i've edited the post, you are correct.
I dont think you can hammer Apple for this particularly there is always going to be some trade off between functionality and privacy. They should maybe have been more clear about what is being collected.
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I meant generally in terms of which platform they buy into obviously.
Its completely unworkable to have some kind of opt in system for people who don't mind having their data harvested. If somebody wants the functionality that that business model provides they can have it, Android.
Your phone company keeps the call logs - I'd rather trust Apple with it
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Did you read the article! Apple explains this on their website in an iOS security report and in the Eula -- Dis you expect TV ads?
And that would be keeping it private in order to make money off anonymously targeted ads, and to provide other context sensitive alerts and services to each user.
Yes, Apple does a song and dance routine about privacy and its customers not being the product. Then they sell access to their customers to Google and the banks. They're like someone who claims that selling sex is bad, and then pimps on the side, making billions from the sex secondhand.
Google does not do either of those things.
They do not sell personal data to advertisers. However, like Apple, they do have to (mostly) comply with warrants.
What Apple refused to do with their overpriced iAds, was to give advertisers any info on what target audiences were available and where. This made it impossible for merchants to figure out the best expenditure of ad money.
They said it was to prevent advertisers from reverse figuring out where people lived. More likely it was because they didn't want to reveal that their US ad viewing demographic choices were jobless teens or something similar.
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I've gotten iMessage spam, but nothing else (knock on wood). What specifically is happening?
As I wrote above, the article is misleading. The iOS Security Guide explains that call data is included in iCloud backups, but what we are talking about here happens even if you disable iCloud Backup and is, to my knowledge, not documented anywhere.
Actually.... before you go down that route...
I expect companies to perform anonymous analysis on any data that is uploaded.
Data is valuable. That's a lot of reason why services are offered for free.
Hmm. I'm not overly concerned, but I think one should be able to turn it off, on principle. One should not have to choose between a binary decision of having this data backed up without express permission or not being able to use any iCloud functionality at all. That's just either poor design, or nefarious behaviour, or a bit of both.
I use Apple Pay and iTunes Match. I don't want to use iCloud for literally anything else, for various reasons. If I don't want to use iCloud backups, it shouldn't back up anything to iCloud - that seems fairly clear and reasonable.
In terms of privacy over this, I am not as concerned about call logs (which are always available to others anyway, because they naturally require at least two people plus the entire phone company to happen in the first place!) as other kinds of data. Here in the UK the freshly-enacted Snoopers' Charter (boooo) means everything we do is going to be stored anyway... how lovely (good evening GCHQ if you're reading! Nothing personal, just don't like the all the nosiness!).
I use Apple Pay and iTunes Match. I don't want to use iCloud for literally anything else, for various reasons. If I don't want to use iCloud backups, it shouldn't back up anything to iCloud - that seems fairly clear and reasonable.
In terms of privacy over this, I am not as concerned about call logs (which are always available to others anyway, because they naturally require at least two people plus the entire phone company to happen in the first place!) as other kinds of data. Here in the UK the freshly-enacted Snoopers' Charter (boooo) means everything we do is going to be stored anyway... how lovely (good evening GCHQ if you're reading! Nothing personal, just don't like the all the nosiness!).