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I believe I responded to you one of the other threads. And my answer is "yes", with decent headphones, depending how well I know the original source material for comparison, how well it was mastered and when it was mastered.

IMHO lowering latency is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed when it comes to bluetooth headphones or speakers.
If you're up for a challenge, share with me four songs that you're familiar with. I'll convert them to MP3 format and mix them back to back with the original versions in a single, lossless audio file. If you can successfully identify the MP3 versions of each song, I'll be very impressed. To date, I have yet to met anyone who has been able to accomplish this feat.
 
I don't know why I'm suddenly reminded of some weird process around some iMacs I believe, and the first iPod Touch... Didn't Apple once charge something like a $5 or $10 fee to enable Wifi N on the iMac (The hardware was always there, you needed to pay to enable it), and on iPod Touch charge the same to enable ability to check email against Exchange servers?
Imagine the furor today charging $10 to update Bluetooth software capabilities from 5.2 to 5.3 if having to pay an additional fee.
 
Isn't TP Link one of those companies charging an annual fee now to use all the functions of the router?
Not as far as I know. There might be some parental controls/security service that is optional, but I'm not interested. All the other functions of the router operate as expected.
 
Not as far as I know. There might be some parental controls/security service that is optional, but I'm not interested. All the other functions of the router operate as expected.
I think that is right. TP Link isn't the only one doing it. EERO and some others are doing it. For now it might be limited to optional services but in the future may expand to more not so optional ones.

Appreciate you sharing your experience with the TP Link. Everytime I go to look at routers I discover quite a few negative reports on them; hard to know whether those are representative or not. I tried an EERO and it was awful as in weak so back it went. The search continues.
 
I don't know why I'm suddenly reminded of some weird process around some iMacs I believe, and the first iPod Touch... Didn't Apple once charge something like a $5 or $10 fee to enable Wifi N on the iMac (The hardware was always there, you needed to pay to enable it), and on iPod Touch charge the same to enable ability to check email against Exchange servers?
Imagine the furor today charging $10 to update Bluetooth software capabilities from 5.2 to 5.3 if having to pay an additional fee.
I never heard of such a thing.

Perhaps that is being conflated with paid upgrades? If enabling that feature was part of the next OS version. At one time, Apple used to charge for major version OS upgrades but that was a long time ago. Might have been before the iPod touch.
 
I never heard of such a thing.

Perhaps that is being conflated with paid upgrades? If enabling that feature was part of the next OS version. At one time, Apple used to charge for major version OS upgrades but that was a long time ago. Might have been before the iPod touch.
There was a time... $20 for iPod Touch only... though looks like I was misremembering, as it was for the whole OS.
For 802.11n... yeah, $2.
 
Customers are rightfully upset when Apple is not forthcoming about what they are buying

Wi-Fi 6, rather than 6E, when ALL other Mac computers have the newer improved version…

BlueTooth 5, rather then the newer 5.3, without any mention of this in product materials…
Are we sure this wasn't simply a firmware update vs an updated Bluetooth / WiFi chip?
 
If you're up for a challenge, share with me four songs that you're familiar with. I'll convert them to MP3 format and mix them back to back with the original versions in a single, lossless audio file. If you can successfully identify the MP3 versions of each song, I'll be very impressed. To date, I have yet to met anyone who has been able to accomplish this feat.
Definitely be up for it, but it'll have to wait till my cans are back in one piece.
 

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If you're up for a challenge, share with me four songs that you're familiar with. I'll convert them to MP3 format and mix them back to back with the original versions in a single, lossless audio file. If you can successfully identify the MP3 versions of each song, I'll be very impressed. To date, I have yet to met anyone who has been able to accomplish this feat.
MP3 I can do it, but I know exactly what I'm listening for. MP4, no human chance.
 
I don't know why I'm suddenly reminded of some weird process around some iMacs I believe, and the first iPod Touch... Didn't Apple once charge something like a $5 or $10 fee to enable Wifi N on the iMac (The hardware was always there, you needed to pay to enable it), and on iPod Touch charge the same to enable ability to check email against Exchange servers?
Imagine the furor today charging $10 to update Bluetooth software capabilities from 5.2 to 5.3 if having to pay an additional fee.
I don’t know about these incidents, but it occurs that maybe the fee was to cover licensing fees for the units so activated. Those not needing this feature could save the 10$.
 
Or the correction of an editorial mistake in the spec sheet?

With Apple's attention to detail, does anybody seriously believe this? We're talking a year after launch. Wi-Fi 6 and BT 5.0 were one of the first things reviewers spotted when M2 MBA launched.
 
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If it is, why is the 13" Pro still BT 5.0 as it probably has the same BT chip? Given that the 13" Pro doesn't get it is why I would be surprised if M2 MacBook Airs sold prior to WWDC got BT 5.3 with the next OS update, even if it's just a firmware update.

100% it's a firmware/software update. There are many BT dongles on the market that have had a 5.0 -> 5.3 update in the past 6 months.

The idea that it's based on WWDC or some other date is silly. Can you imagine sorting the channel inventory from around the world?

Besides, we see all refurb MBA M2 get this BT 5.3 update on the same date.
 
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There was a time... $20 for iPod Touch only... though looks like I was misremembering, as it was for the whole OS.
For 802.11n... yeah, $2.
Yea, i remember those days when Apple’s accounting rules had them charging for OS updates. Eventually they figure out how to get around those rules (or got new accountants) and after that OS updates were free.
 
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Customers are rightfully upset when Apple is not forthcoming about what they are buying

Single NAND chips instead of two, leading to much slower SSD speeds…

Wi-Fi 6, rather than 6E, when ALL other Mac computers have the newer improved version…

BlueTooth 5, rather then the newer 5.3, without any mention of this in product materials…
BTW Apple just upgraded the MBAs to have 5.3 retroactively via a software update.
 
Let's say it is just a firmware update, will only the ones being sold from this point on get it, or all the MacBook Airs M2 already sold as well? If so, how do we get it? Will it be incorporated in the latest macOS release or will there be an additional update waiting for us?
 
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Let's say it is just a firmware update, will only the ones being sold from this point on get it, or all the MacBook Airs M2 already sold as well? If so, how do we get it? Will it be incorporated in the latest macOS release or will there be an additional update waiting for us?

Every M2 MBA gets it. The update likely came silently with 13.4. The release notes mention faster BT re-connection. This is similar to how iOS 9 added BT 4.2 for iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2.
 
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While the 13-inch MacBook Air with the M2 chip initially supported Bluetooth 5.0 when it was released in July 2022, the laptop now supports the faster and more reliable Bluetooth 5.3 standard, according to Apple's tech specs.

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Apple updated the 13-inch MacBook Air's tech specs page to say Bluetooth 5.3 after introducing the 15-inch MacBook Air with Bluetooth 5.3 at WWDC earlier this month. The latest standard offers faster and more reliable connectivity with Bluetooth accessories, and improved power efficiency, which can contribute to longer battery life. More details about Bluetooth 5.3 are available on the Bluetooth website.

All new Mac, iPhone, iPad Pro, and Apple Watch models released since September 2022 support Bluetooth 5.3, as do the second-generation AirPods Pro.

Both the 13-inch and 15-inch MacBook Air remain limited to Wi-Fi 6, while other new Macs support Wi-Fi 6E for faster wireless connectivity over the 6GHz band.

Article Link: Apple Says Latest 13-Inch MacBook Air Now Supports Bluetooth 5.3
Too bad Apple's Magic Mouse 2 and Magic Keyboard 2 specs just say Bluetooth without saying which version. If 5.3 is so much better it's a shame it's stuck on using an old design less reliable and prone to interference. If Apple is abandoning Lightning for USB-C and these and the trackpad also uses it, perhaps when they get updated later this year, they will also get the Bluetooth 5.3 upgrade as well. Wikipedia asserts that they use Bluetooth 3.0 + EDR. Mac Rumors back in 2015, reported the then new Magic Mouse 2 uses Bluetooth 4.2 instead of 2.1 from before, so I don't know if there is a way to confirm it one way or the other.
 
BCM_4387 on a 2021 M1 Pro MacBook Pro with latest firmware reports as LMP version 11. That’s Bluetooth 5.2. So does iPhone 13. Interesting! You can check this using console app on Mac.

GetControllerInfo: , BlSt PoweredOff, DcsS Off, Chip BCM_4387, FrmN BCM4387C2_20.5.529.8129_PCIE_macOS_MadagascarES2_CLPC_3ANT_OS_USI_20230104.bin, FrmV 20.5.529.8129, PID: 0x4A06, VID: 0x004C, VIDS: Bluetooth, HCIT PCIe, InqS Off, LMPv 11 (5.2), SSrv: 0x382039 < HFP AVRCP A2DP HID Braille AACP GATT SerialPort >
 
What command do you use in Terminal to get this? Thank you
I don't think this is something you can check using Terminal. You can check this using console.
Go to Launchpad and open Console application. On the console Application you should see your device name listed. Click on start streaming. Use the search bar on the top right of the window to filter out bluetooth logs. Use the keyword 'GetControllerInfo' in the search bar if you are just looking for LMP version info. Now turn off and turn on Bluetooth.
 

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