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Soon the EU will demand that Apple freely give away the M series, A series, and all other Apple made Chips to EU competitors. After that all profits apple makes over a certain amount must be given to EU competitors, to level the playing field.

Just leave apple, at some point it’s just not worth it anymore.
Exactly
 
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And, in a similar fashion, a iPhone user can leave the platform and buy an Android phone.
That's like saying if man hits his wife, she should just look for another man. And if you don't like something about the US, you can move to Canada.
 
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So any company can no longer innovate, than Spotify needs to give Apple its algorithm.
The point the EU are making is that on one hand be the owner of said product like the iPhone & then on the other hand deliberately sell headphones that have access to said features that work seamlessly with said product
Then you won’t allow your competitors to have access too and that’s the problem
 
The point the EU are making is that on one hand be the owner of said product like the iPhone & then on the other hand deliberately sell headphones that have access to said features that work seamlessly with said product
Then you won’t allow your competitors to have access too and that’s the problem
Why is that a problem. They should either be left in the cold or pay a license fee. Apple did not develop this for it to be given away for free.
 
The point the EU are making is that on one hand be the owner of said product like the iPhone & then on the other hand deliberately sell headphones that have access to said features that work seamlessly with said product
Then you won’t allow your competitors to have access too and that’s the problem
The EU is saying "Apple must do work to make its competitors' products more attractive to Apple's own customers". Absolute insanity. Why spend money to develop any new feature that sets your product apart if you immediately have to give it to your competitors, who then can undercut you on price because they didn't have to think up and design the feature? That's just throwing away money.

No wonder the EU can't innovate in tech if their leaders don't understand basic market principles and capitalism.
 
So the EU really would prefer that there be an ecosystem of one operating system that all device makers license so that there is no meaningful product differentiation. Stupid.
No, quite the opposite. The EU wants that you can use the OS you want and don't have to worry about it. You can use a Mac, an Android phone, a Linux server, and a HomePod or Apple TV. Today, such a combination would not work seamlessly together.

It is like rural people who are against a frequent bus service to their village, saying it would undermine the right to choose. Even though they don't have a choice right now.

I really should say scientists to check out these discussions threads about regulations, maybe it explains more than we think about our world.

I mean, people calling this regulation a "nanny state" while also welcoming the "nanny state of Apple" because they "choose" it. I would argue, that you didn't choose Apple.
 
are you asking me to prove that an apple watch feature got disabled in the US due to copyright and IP infringement? I don’t think that the onus is on me to back up a well reported fact.
No, I'm not asking you I'm telling you. You made a claim. The onus is on you to prove it correct, not on me to prove it wrong.
 
No, quite the opposite. The EU wants that you can use the OS you want and don't have to worry about it. You can use a Mac, an Android phone, a Linux server, and a HomePod or Apple TV. Today, such a combination would not work seamlessly together.
That's what they tell you to get you to support the law, but in actuality they're trying to hobble Apple because EU companies can't compete (in large part because they have to deal with insane regulations).
I mean, people calling this regulation a "nanny state" while also welcoming the "nanny state of Apple" because they "choose" it. I would argue, that you didn't choose Apple.
This regulation is literally nanny state. There is literally a phone operating system that has 70% share in the EU that does EVERYTHING that the EU is asking of Apple. For those of us who prefer Apple's model, why are they taking the choice of that model away from us? Why is your preference for using an Android Watch with your iPhone more important than Apple's desire to not be forced to help competing products out, or my desire to not have 500 Apple engineers working on DMA compliance, but rather features that most Apple customers actually want?
 
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If the EU hustled as hard in creating a receptive environment for innovation as hard as they hustle Apple, legislators there could one day finally make an honest woman out of the EU.
 
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Why is that a problem. They should either be left in the cold or pay a license fee. Apple did not develop this for it to be given away for free.
Mate you can’t have it both ways
Be in charge of the phone & os
Then develop headphones for said product & then deliberately give yourself the advantage over other competitors by not giving access to the tools
 
That's what they tell you to get you to support the law, but in actuality they're trying to hobble Apple because EU companies can't compete (in large part because they have to deal with insane regulations).

This regulation is literally nanny state. There is literally a phone operating system that has 70% share in the EU that does EVERYTHING that the EU is asking of Apple. For those of us who prefer Apple's model, why are they taking the choice of that model away from us? Why is your preference for using an Android Watch with your iPhone more important than Apple's desire to not be forced to help competing products out, or my desire to not have 500 Apple engineers working on DMA compliance, but rather features that most Apple customers actually want?
Because you can’t have it both ways on one hand be owner of said property like the iPhone & the os.
Then on the other hand sell products for said item that gives you an advantage over the competition by offering things not available to said competition
 
Why is that a problem. They should either be left in the cold or pay a license fee. Apple did not develop this for it to be given away for free.
Agreed - at the very least a RAND licensing agreement to pay for the technology you've developed for your products.

Allowing competitors to use that same technology for their own purposes for free is .... un-competitive.
 
Yes thankfully. Now they need to force Apple to open iPadOS. I want to run UTM on MY device!!!
Maybe I want to run iOS on my refrigerator. But I bought it anyhow knowing it couldn't and it was unlikely to, even in the future.

I'm guessing you did the same.
 
Mate you can’t have it both ways
Be in charge of the phone & os
Then develop headphones for said product & then deliberately give yourself the advantage over other competitors by not giving access to the tools
If Apple were a monopoly, then sure that should be illegal. But they're not, they're actually the minority player in the market. So yes, they should be allowed to make their products work better together.

Because you can’t have it both ways on one hand be owner of said property like the iPhone & the os.
Then on the other hand sell products for said item that gives you an advantage over the competition by offering things not available to said competition
I just fundamentally disagree with this. If companies aren't allowed to make their products work better together then there's no incentive to make better products and introduce new features! Why would I bother investing money to make my headphones pair better if I immediately had to give that ability to a competitor who didn't spend any of the money to create the feature and they could undercut me on price? It completely changes the ROI calculation for literally every feature in the OS.
 
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Agreed - at the very least a RAND licensing agreement to pay for the technology you've developed for your products.

Allowing competitors to use that same technology for their own purposes is .... un-competitive.
Right
So you think it’s un-competitive to allow competitors access to features that will allow it to work better with your mobile
Than to keep the way it is to deliberately give your products the advantage because you have access to the features that make it work that you won’t allow competitors access too
 
If Apple were a monopoly, then sure that should be illegal. But they're not, they're actually the minority player in the market. So yes, they should be allowed to make their products work better together.


I just fundamentally disagree with this. If companies aren't allowed to make their products work better together then there's no incentive to make better products and introduce new features! Why would I bother investing money to make my headphones pair better if I immediately had to give that ability to a competitor who didn't spend any of the money to create the feature and they could undercut me on price? It completely changes the ROI calculation for literally every feature in the OS.
But that’s not it
what the EU are saying is Apple are deliberately not allowing competitors access too certain features that deliberately give Apple’s products the upper hand compared with the competition.
It’s got nothing to do with innovation because if it was then their would be no problem allowing competitors access to features like AirPods have
 
So yes, they should be allowed to make their products work better together.
They are.

But as one of the two firms that account for 90% and more of all consumer spending on mobile apps, they aren't allowed to it in anticompetitively leveraging their power in other related markets.

Your talking down Apple and their market power, pretending Apple are only a "small, minority marketshare firm" is, frankly, absurd.

There's a reason why Apple as a company is worth more than Google in market capitalisation - and why Google, the dominant search engine in the world pay Apple billions of dollars every year to retained their default position on Apple's devices.
 
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Your talking down Apple and their market power, pretending Apple are only a "small, minority marketshare firm" is, frankly, absurd.
Please explain how a company that has 25-30% marketshare is a majority firm in the market.

There's a reason why Apple as a company is worth more than Google in market capitalisation - and why Google, the dominant search engine in the world pay Apple billions of dollars every year to retained their default position on Apple's devices.
Yes, because Apple figured out a smaller but more profitable subset of users prefers well made, integrated devices and experiences.
 
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Effective interoperability for third-party connected devices is an important step towards opening Apple's ecosystem.
Apple's closed ecosystem is its biggest selling point. The EU is forcing Apple to build a product a certain way, against its wishes and against the wishes of the consumers who like the ecosystem the way it is...it protects our privacy and cybersecurity.

Since when should the government be able to dictate what product a private enterprise must bring to market?

Apple should just stop all development of the iOS 18 for Europe. Just don't advance the product. Keep putting iOS18 on all new hardware. Sales will definitely drop, but customer outrage would probably outweigh the dropped sales. See who folds first, the EU or Apple.
 
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