Apple Says 'Privacy Matters' in Humorous New iPhone Ad

[I7guy]

El oh el. Another person who’s completely missed the point and is deliberately ignoring Apple’s doublespeak.

You don’t get to sit there and lecture about how much you value privacy when you’re taking kickbacks from the same company you crow about and demonize for privacy violations.

It doesn’t matter if you can change the default. It doesn’t matter if it’s the “logical thing to do”. That’s nothing more than deflection.

Sorry, it's no.

The only people missing the point are those criticizing apple for things out of their control. Google, facebook, nefarious apps are all out of apples' control. Apple does not monetize, sell, or use your apple input PII against you like Facebook.

So stop with the nonsense already.

 

[FriendlyPanda]

Sorry, it's no.

The only people missing the point are those criticizing apple for things out of their control. Google, facebook, nefarious apps are all out of apples' control. Apple does not monetize, sell, or use your apple input PII against you like Facebook.

So stop with the nonsense already.

Apple accepting billions of dollars from Google to make them their default search engine is out of their control?

Huh. I wasn't aware there was a gun to their head. Now I know. It's weird how these business deals go down sometimes.

http://fortune.com/2018/09/29/google-apple-safari-search-engine/

 

[KPandian1]

Apple accepting billions of dollars from Google to make them their default search engine is out of their control?

Huh. I wasn't aware there was a gun to their head.

You'd rather that they did not take the billions from Google? As a pragmatist, and a stock holder, I say to Apple - good you got the money.

Try to get more next time.

 

[FriendlyPanda]

You'd rather that they did not take the billions from Google? As a pragmatist, and a stock holder, I say to Apple - good you got the money.

Try to get more next time.

Seems privacy isn't as important as a payday then.

The point we're making is Apple can say privacy matters until they're blue in the face, but some things they do kind of laugh in the face of that.

 

[I7guy]

Seems privacy isn't as important as a payday then.

The point we're making is Apple can say privacy matters until they're blue in the face, but some things they do kind of laugh in the face of that.

So if for the sake of argument, Apple didn’t take payment from google, what exactly would change in terms of privacy?

I dont know what your answer would be, but my answer is nothing. Nothing would change. Some people would still stay Apple is hypocritical for not blocking google. Then apple might as well take the $9B and the misplaced criticisms.

 

[KPandian1]

The point we're making is Apple can say privacy matters until they're blue in the face, but some things they do kind of laugh in the face of that.

We?!

Surely the world would not have changed its default engine to Google when Apple came with a lousy default search engine like Bing. No, they suddenly would be so tech savvy as the computer scientist from the Asian continent and change (horrors) their default engine to Google; because Apple has allowed a three key method to change the default engine.

So if for the sake of argument, Apple didn’t take payment from google, what exactly would change in terms of privacy? Nothing would change.

Evil Apple should not be allowed to monetize its stock with money from the evil Google.

 

[mrex]

This also isn't about apps, its about Apple not using your data against it's privacy policy. Apple will protect the data you gave apple,

that is the point. apple protects some of the data you give them - but you lose it once you install 3rd party apps. That’s the real point - not apple but apps.

how many are using iphone only apple apps installed?

apple failed to make enough money with their own iAd service which was launched 2010 and discontinued finally on 2016 after failing and failing to make it profitable for apple. if they had established the iAd network making lots of money from it, they probably wouldnt restrict developers to advertize and use your information as they do now.

until june 2018 apple let developers literally to pull data of your phone when you installed the app and let it access to e.g. contacts. no restrictions. Databases were built and sold. Why do you think some gets so many spam calls - where did they get all those numbers and contact information? sharing friends data wasnt anything new. nowadays (since 6/2018) appstore guideline forbids to sell and share user databases developers has built. Unfortunately it is only ”if you get caught”.

what happens on iphone should stay on iphone not sent outside the iphone. Apples answer is ”we dont controll what apps do” while still advertizing ”what happens on iphone, stays on iphone” - totally false advertizing.

 

[jeffe]

apple failed to make enough money with their own iAd service which was launched 2010 and discontinued finally on 2016 after failing and failing to make it profitable for apple. if they had established the iAd network making lots of money from it, they probably wouldnt restrict developers to advertize and use your information as they do now.

I don't know why Apple's iAd service that you say was discontinued 3 years ago is relevant today.

nowadays (since 6/2018) appstore guideline forbids to sell and share user databases developers has built. Unfortunately it is only ”if you get caught”.

This is exactly how it should be. We should not be encouraging Apple to take action against developers without evidence of wrong doing. You make it sound like once you install an app, the developer has all your information but as far as I know, that hasn't really been the the way it works since 2012. The user of the device decides which app's receive their data.

Are you saying that Apple's privacy page is misleading? https://www.apple.com/privacy/

 

[mrex]

I don't know why Apple's iAd service that you say was discontinued 3 years ago is relevant today.

it is quite relevant. apple tried to monetize ad business but they failed and finally gave up. since then they have targeted google making money with ads.

today apple plays privacy hero after letting devs to make money with your data for years and attacking for example google when google is using your data to show personalized ads.

if apple had established the ad network to make it profitable, do you think they would attack to google today? no they woudnt.

This is exactly how it should be. We should not be encouraging Apple to take action against developers without evidence of wrong doing.

”take an action against devs”? apple should check apps better before letting them in appstore. if the app collects information and send them to the server, the app should not be accepted in the first place. users wont read privacy statements when installing apps and statements dont really tell much what apps do in a reality.

The user of the device decides which app's receive their data.

unfortunately apps dont ask ”can i also send data to the server?” - if you read privacy statement of some app there might be a sentence ”app may collect...” - but who reads them and who trust blindly because it is in appstore the app must be safe to use.

Are you saying that Apple's privacy page is misleading? https://www.apple.com/privacy/

again not talking about apple, but apps. and apple says it pretty well that apple has no idea what apps may do: ”Your apps play by your rules. We require app developers to agree to strict guidelines designed to protect your privacy. If we learn that an app violates these guidelines, the developer must address the issue or face removal from the App Store.”

if you get caught... then you may be banned. apple has no idea what apps do until someone tells them - as we have seen it lately.

If an app you’ve installed on your device wants to access personal information like photos or contacts, you’re prompted to give permission first.

how about after giving a permission to access to contacts - e.g. some sort of calender app - accessing to contacs doesnt allow to collect and send those information? im quite sure people dont know what excatly it means when you allow permissions for apps.

 

[asiga]

[...] Apple has long said it believes privacy is a "fundamental human right," and as part of that, it aims to minimize its collection of customer data and disassociate it from an individual user when it does.

"To minimize" is pretty far from acknowledging privacy as a "fundamental human right" because Apple is not granting the user complete control of what data is stored/sent, what apps have Internet access (and to what servers), nor it grants control over questionable features like facial recognition on the photos on your camera roll.

But then, to realize what's Apple about these days is far easier than that: They want your health data, they'll want your driving data whenever they release the car, they'll want your TV/shows consumption data, and they are building a business model based on big data. Of course they'll try to hide the facts with fallacies like "by receiving health data, we saved the life of this elder person; by receiving driving data, we'll make our planet greener than your neighborhood grocery; by receiving your media consumption data, we make the best content ever". Yeah, sure, why not put a watch in every squirrel wrist just to save their lives? Easy: squirrels don't have money, you cannot monetize them.
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Funny ad. Very well done. To the critics, please do us a favor and disable google and Facebook from your iPhone.

Disabled Google years ago. Facebook was never installed. And now that I did this, can you please tell me how can I disable facial recognition on my photos roll, and how can I tell my iPhone to stop preparing "you have a new record" presentations with music from my private photos every now and then, please? While you are at it, I'd also want to be able to permit or deny Internet access on an app by app basis (Apple apps included), and to ban access to some servers in some apps. When all of that becomes possible, then Apple will be able to start talking about privacy. Thanks.
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Apple's strong stance on privacy is only because it suits their business model.

That's not "strong stance" but "strong marketing wording". To say they have "strong stance" on privacy is far from true.

 

[KPandian1]

Then they should fire every Google and FaceBook App in their "store".

Please note the difference - fire just the Apps by known violators like Google and FB; not the access to them via Safari.

The data "theft" occurs via the Apps because they are designed to that.

Apple accepting billions of dollars from Google to make them their default search engine is out of their control?

Apple cannot prevent Google from being a search engine - probably violates some anti-trust law. It definitely violates my will to use Google. Might as well make money out of this.

Apps are a different story - Apple has 100% control over their presence and can exercise that power. Once the camel's nose is inside the tent, the Apps behave anyway they chose. They run in the background burning resources. Yes we can disable them until needed; same rule of people not knowing how to change default engine applies.

As long as people are willing to give FaceBook, Google, etc., their data outside their Apps, Apple has no control over what tracking and "stealing" happens.

 

[I7guy]

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Disabled Google years ago. Facebook was never installed. And now that I did this, can you please tell me how can I disable facial recognition on my photos roll, and how can I tell my iPhone to stop preparing "you have a new record" presentations with music from my private photos every now and then, please? While you are at it, I'd also want to be able to permit or deny Internet access on an app by app basis (Apple apps included), and to ban access to some servers in some apps. When all of that becomes possible, then Apple will be able to start talking about privacy. Thanks...

I"m not sure about your questions,but I would love my phone to recognize the family faces. But what has that got to do with Apple not misusing your PII... maybe you can get your questions answer from apple.

I guess everybody's definition of privacy is different. To one it's apple removing facebook and google from the iphone. To another it's hidden photos. I'm pretty sure apple is clear on the exact things they are doing and that info is on their website.
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that is the point. apple protects some of the data you give them - but you lose it once you install 3rd party apps. That’s the real point - not apple but apps.

how many are using iphone only apple apps installed?

apple failed to make enough money with their own iAd service which was launched 2010 and discontinued finally on 2016 after failing and failing to make it profitable for apple. if they had established the iAd network making lots of money from it, they probably wouldnt restrict developers to advertize and use your information as they do now.

until june 2018 apple let developers literally to pull data of your phone when you installed the app and let it access to e.g. contacts. no restrictions. Databases were built and sold. Why do you think some gets so many spam calls - where did they get all those numbers and contact information? sharing friends data wasnt anything new. nowadays (since 6/2018) appstore guideline forbids to sell and share user databases developers has built. Unfortunately it is only ”if you get caught”.

what happens on iphone should stay on iphone not sent outside the iphone. Apples answer is ”we dont controll what apps do” while still advertizing ”what happens on iphone, stays on iphone” - totally false advertizing.

When you install an app, apple makes sure the app at a high level is safe. It's apples job to ensure the app can't get information you didn't authorize and part of the is apples job as well. But that is where is it ends.

Apple cannot control what you put into the app and what the app developer does with that data. What happens on the iphone stays on the iphone. Google is not on the iphone, nor is an app that requires an internet connection to the app developers servers.

People need to understand that apple will police itself, provide a basic framework, enforce the framework to the best of it's ability, but it can't control what happens to your data transmitted from the phone.

 

[THE ONE!!]

Don’t be dense. You can choose from many search engines. Partnered is misleading term.

Rude!!

 

[Intellectua1]

Let's say I consider independent gas stations to be a risky place to use my credit card because of the high incidence of card skimming/fraud. But there's a super convenient station on my daily commute. So I fill up my car there, but I pay with cash instead of my credit card. They could be crooked, but it doesn't matter to me because I've eliminated the risk.

That's what Apple is doing. They know people like to use Google for search and they know Google isn't the best when it comes to privacy. So Apple allows people to use Google for search, but protects the user by controlling the information that gets sent to Google to retain my privacy.

The only difference here is that Apple is raking in billions without exposing their users. I'd call that a very smart business decision.​

You actually believe Google is paying Apple $9B plus a year to be the default search engine on Safari while allowing Apple to dictate what type of data they collect. Hahahahahaha. These comments get more funny by the day. Google is getting the same data they would get from Chrome on Android, otherwise that top spot ofln Safari wouldn't be worth what they were paying for it

 

[mrex]

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When you install an app, apple makes sure the app at a high level is safe.

do you believe that even by yourself?

https://www.welivesecurity.com/2018/12/03/scam-ios-apps-promise-fitness-steal-money-instead/

https://guardianapp.com/research/ios-app-location-report-sep2018/

Apple cannot control what you put into the app and what the app developer does with that data.

apps shouldnt be able to collect data and send them away from the phone - it should stay on the phone. apple should do better...

What happens on the iphone stays on the iphone.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...les-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/...er-download-your-privacy-data-year/521786002/

 

[I7guy]

do you believe that even by yourself?

https://www.welivesecurity.com/2018/12/03/scam-ios-apps-promise-fitness-steal-money-instead/

https://guardianapp.com/research/ios-app-location-report-sep2018/

Yes, I believe it. The premise that one bad app, throws apple’s stated direction to privacy, in the trash is nonsense. Security and privacy are not endpoints, they are goals.

apps shouldnt be able to collect data and send them away from the phone - it should stay on the phone. apple should do better...

That really would kill the app market.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...les-hypocritical-defense-data-privacy/581680/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/tech/...er-download-your-privacy-data-year/521786002/

It’s good everyone examines this, doesn’t mean Apple hasn’t made some great strides and nor is it committed to your privacy.

The first article by the Atlantic seems like a regurgitation of this thread, some of it which is pure hyperbole. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, we can agree and disagree with what we want.

 

[asiga]

I guess everybody's definition of privacy is different. To one it's apple removing facebook and google from the iphone. To another it's hidden photos. I'm pretty sure apple is clear on the exact things they are doing and that info is on their website.

Privacy has one meaning: to have the control over where all your data is stored (the cloud is somebody else's hard disk), to have the control of locking it from leaving your devices (not even "anonymized"), and to have total control to permanently delete it (in your devices and your cloud accounts). Apple doesn't permit you to do these things, nor it explains any details about this.

 

[I7guy]

Privacy has one meaning: to have the control over where all your data is stored (the cloud is somebody else's hard disk), to have the control of locking it from leaving your devices (not even "anonymized"), and to have total control to permanently delete it (in your devices and your cloud accounts). Apple doesn't permit you to do these things, nor it explains any details about this.

As I said, privacy seems to be a personal definition.

 

[asiga]

As I said, privacy seems to be a personal definition.

Privacy is not a personal definition, because private means private. Privacy implies that nobody is allowed to access my private life. However, some people are willing to grant access to others into their private life, in order to get "free" services in return (i.e.: they are willing to sell their lives to service providers). This doesn't make privacy a "personal definition". Rather, it means that some people are willing to sell all or part of their private life (most of the times in an unconscious way, until it's too late and then they blame Facebook for doing exactly what they permitted them to do).

 

[Pierre-Marcel Dupont]

Does anyone know the source of the background music for this the commercial? It sounds very familiar. I think it came from a movie, a comedy from many years ago, but I'm not certain, and I can't place it. It sounds like something I may have heard in "The Tall Blond Man with One Red Shoe," with Pierre Richard (not the Tom Hanks remake). But maybe not. However, the music is terrific and I wonder where it's from.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Does anyone know the source of the background music for this the commercial? It sounds very familiar. I think it came from a movie, a comedy from many years ago, but I'm not certain, and I can't place it. It sounds like something I may have heard in "The Tall Blond Man with One Red Shoe," with Pierre Richard (not the Tom Hanks remake). But maybe not. However, the music is terrific and I wonder where it's from.

It’s “Rich Man’s Frug” from the Broadway show Sweet Charity. No idea which version but they’re good players for sure.