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It's easy.
1. Let users choose one of two options, secured or compromised.
2. Give developers a choice they can allow their code to run on compromised devises or not.

Imagine the reputational damage to the Apple brand that would occur if Apple offered a Security/Data/Privacy Compromised option to customers.

Nope. Will never happen.
 
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This is it. It’s an absolute certainty that the moment it’s possible, Facebook will set up a page with instructions on exactly how to sideload their app. They probably already have templates ready to go. Only question is will they have the guts to immediately pull the App Store version, or will they wait.

My bet is they do it first with Instagram and / or Whatsapp. They’ll tell users of the app that to continue they’ll have to install an update, with instructions on how to sideload.

I sincerely do not understand why anyone likes anything about Instagram, but their user base will almost certainly just do whatever Facebook puts in front of them.

Just look at what is consistently on the top of the app store charts. Just about every single one of them is either a messenger app or a game from a shady company that would pull their app in an instant if they could get around Apple’s rules.

Apple did bring this on themselves, however. If they insist on being the sole arbiter, they can’t also do a crap job like they have been.
Facebook should pull out of the App Store now. Call it a day. It would do us all a favor
 
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It's easy.
1. Let users choose one of two options, secured or compromised.
2. Give developers a choice they can allow their code to run on compromised devises or not.
Then every app developer chooses less security. Why would they care if a phone is secure or not.
 
Some people are incapable of forward thinking and can't imagine the inevitable path on which side loading goes from a choice to virtually mandatory once apps used by the masses like Instagram, Tik Tok or Google stop making their apps available in the App Store and make their apps only available to install via sideloading.

You can only resist for so long until an app comes around that you need for work or to fit in your social circle. Then the whole privacy and security deck of cards Apple built with the App Store comes crashing down. Why would any major app offer their app in the App Store with privacy and security protections if they have the chance to acquire all of your data?
You and many others say this, but it's simply not true.

Android has sideloading, but pretty much all the major apps on the platform are still available on the Play Store. There hasn't been a massive compromise of the platform because of sideloading. Most people don't sideload and have all the standard apps on their Android phones.

Apple has better sandboxing and security than Android. It would be safer with sideloaded apps than Android is. Stop worrying about this; everything will be fine if Apple allows sideloading.
 
Facebook will set up a page with instructions on exactly how to sideload their app. They probably already have templates ready to go. Only question is will they have the guts to immediately pull the App Store version, or will they wait.
Android allows sideloading. Let's see...


Oh look, Facebook is in the Play store.

Seriously, app makers have no desire to make their stuff harder to find by forcing sideloading. Your favorite apps will all still be in the Apple app store. You'll just now have the option of installing apps not sanctioned by Apple should you choose to.
 
Like we did for masks and vaccines.

They're not unable to learn. They don't want to learn. And nothing you can do will force them to; you can't end it.
Well they have to learn, if they want to use, just like they had to learn to bicycle if they want to.
A few humans are lazy, I know, but not all of them, putting them all into the same basket is the wrong approach.
That's why the "optional" sideloading will be great.
 
I believe Apple should allow sideloading, it’s fighting a losing battle with many governments around the world. It’s better to adopt a sideloading solution that Apple would prefer rather than be forced through legislation. I really don’t see the justification that iOS should be any different to MacOS in this regard. Personally I value the security that iOS provides, and will endeavour to continue to use the App Store to purchase my apps, or from trusted developers in the same way I do with my Mac.
 
Then every app developer chooses less security. Why would they care if a phone is secure or not.
Easy. One example is financial applications. Would you want to be responsible for a seven digit loss if a user decided to play a Russian porn first person shooter? A second would be access to security checkpoints. Lets say you own a hotel. Lets say, you allow your customers to put their access key to the building on their phones. Would you want that guest to be running code that would clone their key? Third would be network game developers. Don't want your players to cheat? Don't let them run outside code that can hijack the OS and compromise your game.

Probably the most important reason is, any device that is running software that has not been vetted will be buggy. I don't care if other people's apps crash on a phone. I don't want a compromised OS to crash and make me look bad.
 
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Imagine the reputational damage to the Apple brand that would occur if Apple offered a Security/Data/Privacy Compromised option to customers.

Nope. Will never happen.
If Apple is forced to give users the choice to compromise their devices they need to let the user know, Pick this option and we are not responsible if your device gets trashed. It's a stupid choice. You have been warned.
 
This article parrots a lot of theoretical downsides of allowing free installation of applications. Are there any potential upsides or is it all just bad stuff?
I would say a main one is that if developers don’t have to pay a large cut to Apple then, even if the price stays the same, there is more funds available to further develop and upgrade that specific app which would benefit the users of that specific app.
 
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Everyone keeps saying "Look at the Play Store, no one is leaving there and they have sideloading".

Google doesn't care if apps in the Play Store collect your data. They do it themselves.

Apple's policy restricting apps from collecting your data, and forcing devs to disclose what they do collect, is why they will force you to sideload if you want to use their app.
 
Some people are incapable of forward thinking and can't imagine the inevitable path on which side loading goes from a choice to virtually mandatory once apps used by the masses like Instagram, Tik Tok or Google stop making their apps available in the App Store and make their apps only available to install via sideloading.

You can only resist for so long until an app comes around that you need for work or to fit in your social circle. Then the whole privacy and security deck of cards Apple built with the App Store comes crashing down. Why would any major app offer their app in the App Store with privacy and security protections if they have the chance to acquire all of your data?
A sideloaded app can't freely read your address book, you have to allow it from the protections in the OS, the app store isn't protecting anything.
 
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I know one way apple could make this happen: add more optional privacy controls and provide an optional severe sandbox that greatly reduces the scope of device info that can be acquired. That’s probably enough.

It won’t help with people who volunteer other people’s info to an app or what a company does with data that is flowing through but that’s where we are at today anyway. That’s where meaningful governmental action needs to take place.
 
Don’t underestimate the average consumer’s ability to f*** things up. - Barack Obama (sort of)
Sure not - but how did you learn to walk? By face planting multiple times, if your mother were Apple you would still be sitting around.

And if Apple were some kind of a higher creature, we would still not be allowed to make fire, because it's dangerous and might lead to burning houses, vehicles crashing into other vehicles and death.

Try > Error > Try > Succeed , that's how humans learn stuff, which Apple prevents.
 
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I’m confused, does apple care about privacy or not? Or only when convenient to them?

Last I remember Apple is trying to scan every photo on every iCloud user’s iPhone — a feature they have seemingly delayed but not yet canceled.
It's not a scan. I would explain how hash values work, but I think some people just want to get mad about something. Unless you have CSAM you're trying to hide of course.
 
I’m confused, does apple care about privacy or not? Or only when convenient to them?

Last I remember Apple is trying to scan every photo on every iCloud user’s iPhone — a feature they have seemingly delayed but not yet canceled.
Privacy doesn’t refer to the ability to hide illegal activities. Privacy refers to the handling of one’s PII.
 
On the phone? There will be no side loading of apps by me. If the app is not in the App Store, forget it. Apple, please give me a checkbox that says “do not permit side loaded apps on this phone”

Security is tough enough as it is without rolling over for some foreign governments.??
 
AT&T breakup.
AT&T was broken up 38 years ago in 1984. The average cost for a long distance call in 1984 was approximately 45 cents/minute, plus the monthly service charge. I now pay $20/line for unlimited calls, data, and long distance on a device I can take anywhere, over a period where the cumulative inflation rate is 156%.

Your example runs exactly counter to the government hurting competition.
 
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Well if you sideload a very bad app, come to my house, get on my network because we are friends, get my systems hacked, you just forced my systems to sideload. The sad part you likely will not know why we are not friends anymore. This all about me attitude today is getting tiring. My rights, my world, my everything.
2 words: guest network
 
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