It is crazy that the government want to control us, but in this case they think more control is better. The only purpose can be line their pockets with money as they obviously do not understand the advantage of Apple looking out for us versus Google harvesting every last bit of data they can.
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Apple Says Revised U.S. Sideloading Bill Would 'Undermine the Privacy and Security Protections' iPhone Users Rely On
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I say let Apple run its business the way they want to. If people cared that much about sideloading, they can get an Android. It’s ironic that the gov’t is so concerned about monopolies when they’re responsible for creating most of them with policies that have unintended consequences and/or good ol’ fashioned corruption/lobbying, and the only true monopoly is the gov’t itself.
Your phone (iOS or Android) has been scanning every one of your photos for years. Go into the Photos app and search for "dog" or "car", and see it instantly come up with images containing dogs or cars - it can do that quickly because it has already scanned the photos.
The "scanning" you're talking about isn't scanning in the sense that the word conjures up in most people's minds - it's computing a hash (a checksum, effectively) for each image, with absolutely zero attention paid to the content of the image, and then matching those hashes against a table of known CSAM (Child Sexual Abuse Material) images. IF you have some of those specific images on your phone, only then does it trigger additional mechanisms.
So is Apple saying MacOS is unsecured?
Cuz there’s millions of dollars worth of advertising that’s been trying to convince us otherwise for years.
Cuz there’s millions of dollars worth of advertising that’s been trying to convince us otherwise for years.
As someone who “architected” these systems I don’t get how you do not understand why the controlled installation of software doesn’t create a better user experience?
That’s ultimately what apple wants. It’s devices fo have a better, simpler, seamless user experience.
Of course you can open anything to anyone. But as anyone in enterprise IT can tell you, the more you open the more stuff you have to put in place to stop it being exploited. And the more of that stuff there is the more it sucks.
Windows is open, but they have to run a virus scanner full time to deal with that etc. there is no free lunch.
Consoles have less issues than PC’s precisely because they control how stuff is installed. It’s so basic.
Just because Google does it it doesn’t mean they’ve avoided the problems. Compare android security exploits to apple over the years. It’s not even in the same league.
To force every product down the same route is actually what prevents innovation. Every company should be allowed to offer customers the choice to decide what kind of product they want.
The govt are fundamentally limiting market choice not expanding it with these measures.
I find it very interesting that the device I want to operate 100% without fail as it’s my main personal emergency device, is by govt mandate now open to far more abuse than a games console!!!
The mind boggles…
Why do people support government legislations like this?
Imagine if you are a business owning a shop. Would you want your government to dictate that you should allow your competitors selling their stuff in your store?
This makes no sense, especially from supposedly “free market capitalism” of the USA. Very obvious there’s an underlying agenda. Expect follow ups from countries like China and Russia that will expand holes like this to force their state-sponsored “apps.” Extremely short sighted legislation.
Legislation like this only makes sense in iOS is the only smartphone platform on the market. Considering that the open Android is the majority and available, this is highly suspect. I don’t want my country’s government forcing us their state sponsored app outside the App Store. They are already doing that on Android.
Imagine if you are a business owning a shop. Would you want your government to dictate that you should allow your competitors selling their stuff in your store?
This makes no sense, especially from supposedly “free market capitalism” of the USA. Very obvious there’s an underlying agenda. Expect follow ups from countries like China and Russia that will expand holes like this to force their state-sponsored “apps.” Extremely short sighted legislation.
Legislation like this only makes sense in iOS is the only smartphone platform on the market. Considering that the open Android is the majority and available, this is highly suspect. I don’t want my country’s government forcing us their state sponsored app outside the App Store. They are already doing that on Android.
Apple limits outside apps for the income and deflects with anything they can think of to prevent competition.
Wouldn't mind if they kept their platform commission lower. ie 5-10% depending on what it is.
But, there is an even more troubling thing tied to prevent outside app's getting installed, censorship. Plenty of apps are blocked for a myriad of reasons.
Reality is, Apple needs to be forced to let consumers decide.
Wouldn't mind if they kept their platform commission lower. ie 5-10% depending on what it is.
But, there is an even more troubling thing tied to prevent outside app's getting installed, censorship. Plenty of apps are blocked for a myriad of reasons.
Reality is, Apple needs to be forced to let consumers decide.
I guess that is a funny way to look at the amount of fawning over iOS privacy/security. But for a long time many of us have wondered about why iOS can't be more like MacOS as far as the underlying security protections that makes even using the App Store unnecessary when it comes to guarding against malware. Even the term jailbroken is associated with IOS only. Admittedly with Apple's financial adds to iOS these recent years it's probably a lot more challenging for Apple to move to something closer to MacOS. I hope WWDC 2022 shows us the future is better than what we got now.
Stop ignoring Android.
Your concerns are 100% unfounded and not supported by direct evidence.
Another thing I have to manage, all because of those who have rights. Yes, I will need to manage all communication more closely if these changes go into effect.
Not sure how you are seeing that unless Apple relaxes the current guidelines and ad how guidelines it uses for app allowance.
You need to refresh your understanding Of that.’
There are several good threads on this site about that.
Maybe Apple should find a reason to ban FB and Twitter, I would bet these politicians have a different attitude when they cant spread the sick agendas.
Saying on us is what this is all about, from the EU, UK and the USA, its all about spying on its citizens.Yeah I didn't like Apple's solution but I hate the government solution more. Just see what the EU has proposed recently. They seem intent on destroying encryption and privacy in order to "save the children." This proposal that would essentially require algorithms to scan ALL emails, messages, or other communications in order to detect "grooming" not just CSAM. If this proposal passes it would essentially create China level internet surveillance in the EU.
Fighting child sexual abuse: Commission proposes new rules to protect children
Today, the Commission is proposing new EU legislation to prevent and combat child sexual abuse online.ec.europa.eu
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It is a choice.
With the articles, advertising, and other avenues Apple is pursuing, people are being educated like it or not.
To your point people don’t know. Until it is thrust on them.
In the end, this has not become a major Android issue so I really don’t see it being an iOS issue either.
JMO
For some reason you keep comparing apples and oranges.
Google doesn't care if apps gather everything they can about you. They do it themselves and sell it! Why would a major app move from the Play Store if they get what they wanted already?
That can't be said about the App Store. Mind you, Apple allows a lot of data collection but A: You have to tell the user what you are collecting, and B: Apple does limit what data you can collect to a far greater extent than Android phones.
You sir are seriously overinflating the issue. Users are far more at risk from telemarketers, scam SMS, and phishing email than anything you attempted to allude to.
Just as a note, I can sideload on every system I own except iOS/iPadOS - PS3, PS4, Linux, Windows, MacOS, Android, XBox. Don’t see it being much of an issue And these systems have been around.
Refresh my understanding having read the Cloudflare announcement and explanation of how "fuzzy hashes" work and having worked in development for a cloud file sharing company and knowing that hashes are already used to verify uncorrupted transfers? Or that other file sharing platforms and online photo albums do this scanning server side using Cloudflare's or similar offerings? Like Google that has been doing it since 2008?! Nah, I think I am good there, but continue to think that I speak from a position of ignorance if it makes you feel better.
Basically, give us a sudo admin in the setting and allow us to run it similar to macOS. Sideloaded apps should still be sandboxed with the same permission as the regular apps.
For example, if PornHüb makes an app, we should be able to sideload it onto iPhones. If a modded YouTube app with no ads is released, we should be able to sideload it from GitHub without doing self-signing.
For example, if PornHüb makes an app, we should be able to sideload it onto iPhones. If a modded YouTube app with no ads is released, we should be able to sideload it from GitHub without doing self-signing.
So a company needs to be compelled under the force of law to do something because other companies and developers want it? Sounds petulant to me.
Also, it begs the question WHY most of the mobile app profits are in iOS. So the most profitable setup needs to change to be more like the less profitable setup? And who is this supposed to benefit?
You really believe the App Store is actually that protective? It could be IF Apple put the effort into it.
This argument against sideloading doesn't make any sense at all.
If sideloading on iOS exists, it isn't like you would have to sideload, you can just keep using your iPhone like you always have.
The lack of sideloading being a major reason to go with one OS over another is just silly, and I could only assume that anyone choosing iOS over Android for this reason doesn't understand what sideloading actually is.