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Apple Says These tvOS 18 Features Aren't Coming Until Later This Year

abatabia said:
This whole features won’t be available at launch thing has very much jumped the shark. Not just with Apple either. Maybe don’t announce them if they’re not going to be ready at launch?
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People used to complain too many features came at once as it introduced too many bugs, so now apple slow it down there are of course people who still complain.

I just see it as Apple is basically just releasing the iOS version and there is a roadmap for the year, I’m happy with that.
 
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stocklen said:
I hate to say it but this is becoming more and more common in the last few years.

Apple announce all their tentpole features for the next iteration of the OS in June - it goes into a 3 month beta/public beta programme for general release in September....

..... but more and more features are just not present in the first release - or the second.....

And in some cases we don't get features until .3 or .4 which come in March or April the following year just 2 months before the NEXT version is announced.

There is a fair bit of frustration this year that Apple Intelligence isn't ready when the new iPhones are delivered - and indeed won't be in its entirety until well into 2025. Personally it stopped me upgrading the phone this time because what's the point when, by the time the features I was promised are released, the phone will be 7-8 months old already.

Surely it would be better for Apple to not announce features that WONT be ready for the .0 release in September or .1 at the latest.
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I'm 100% with you. This is the first year since 2007 when the iPhone was announced where I will not be getting their flagship phone on release day. Why am I paying $1500 for a new phone that basically has the exact same software features as my 15 Pro Max? The only 'new' feature is that capture button - which is missing half it's capabilities upon release! If I wait a few months, carriers will start to discount the phone and the newer features 'should' be available. My days of day 1 upgrades are over.
 
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Remote could use an action button. I would probably have it mapped to subtitles. Or 30 second skip.

Power button should be mappable too. I never use it. The home button turns everything on/off.


Also thinking the menu that pops up when holding down home button could have subtitle shortcut.

That being said I usually shortcut by telling Siri to turn on/off. Late at
night sometimes don’t want to say it.
 
DougieS said:
People used to complain too many features came at once as it introduced too many bugs, so now apple slow it down there are of course people who still complain.

I just see it as Apple is basically just releasing the iOS version and there is a roadmap for the year, I’m happy with that.
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Or, ya know...they could not announce new features 6 to 9 months before release and just announce them when they're actually ready instead 🤷🏼‍♂️
Perhaps they can pivot to Apple software being a kind of 'live service' going forward that will introduce new features continuously throughout the year instead of repeatedly delaying announced features
 
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1037210 said:
I'm 100% with you. This is the first year since 2007 when the iPhone was announced where I will not be getting their flagship phone on release day. Why am I paying $1500 for a new phone that basically has the exact same software features as my 15 Pro Max? The only 'new' feature is that capture button - which is missing half it's capabilities upon release! If I wait a few months, carriers will start to discount the phone and the newer features 'should' be available. My days of day 1 upgrades are over.
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That's me exactly.
Although this is a TV thread, its still a pertinent point.
This year was literally the first time ever I haven't pre-ordered the new model for release day. Ive done it every time before and always been successful in getting a release day phone.
This year though, as I already have a 15 pro max, the difference to the 16 pro max is very small and I already have an apple intelligence capable phone and am very aware that Apple Intelligence will not be fully realised (as per the WWDC 2024 presentation) until March/April 2025 at the earliest (and im in the UK so probably just American English at that).

Sure, the 15 standard to the 16 standard is a compelling upgrade for the AI features (again accepting that you won't get them all for months) but I suspect many will get frustrated with all the 'apple intelligence' marketing around the phone and they didn't really understand that on Friday when their new shiny phone arrives it will have NONE of the AI features promised and in fact won't have for a long while.

Personally, I think that any features that Apple KNOW are not going to be released until March NEXT YEAR should really be held back until iOSx+1 as that's far more sensible to me and keeps customers much better informed.
 
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What a shell game Apple plays.

Apple: Look at all these things we are releasing with this product in the fall so be sure to dig deep and order early.

Apple: Btw, this stuff is so awesome it actually won’t be functionally available for 18 months but please swipe now.
 
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Without those features, my (TV)life will … stay the same, I have no 21:9 projector, no robot vacuum and I love Snoopy, but if I have Snoopy withdrawals, I switch to the Snoopy watch face
 
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1037210 said:
Or, ya know...they could not announce new features 6 to 9 months before release and just announce them when they're actually ready instead 🤷🏼‍♂️
Perhaps they can pivot to Apple software being a kind of 'live service' going forward that will introduce new features continuously throughout the year instead of repeatedly delaying announced features
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From a marketing perspective, continuous releases of features would not work. Apple isn’t going to hold a press event for every new feature. And if there’s no press, less people will know about it and less people will buy products.

Unless Apple starts a subscription for this type of software, the software needs to drive hardware sales to be viable. No one wants yet another subscription…
 
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1037210 said:
Or, ya know...they could not announce new features 6 to 9 months before release and just announce them when they're actually ready instead 🤷🏼‍♂️
Perhaps they can pivot to Apple software being a kind of 'live service' going forward that will introduce new features continuously throughout the year instead of repeatedly delaying announced features
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Nearly every company has a roadmap of upcoming features. This is nothing new.
Yes Apple could potentially be clearer when they expect which features will be in each release, however this is basically the live service you are stating with features continuously rolling out across the year just with a preview of what to expect in advance.
 
Snoopy screensavers are being delayed? How is that possible. Take some animated stuff with Snoopy and make a screensaver. I would think that would take like an hour? They've had a whole year.

I wish they would actually do a lot more with TVOS, like make the home app avaliable on TVOS, get rid of the TV and Movie apps if they are no longer needed, bring back the up next stuff for the top shelf, let us customize the home screen (Make the apps smaller), and give us multi-app screen (4 apps working at once).
 
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TonyC28 said:
WWDC 2025
“We’re so excited to tell you about these features. In fact, we’re so excited that we’re going to tell you a date that these features will be available to you in theory, but in reality you’ll get them several months later. Here’s someone with a dry personality that will pretend to be excited to tell you more about them.”
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That is basically Apple's MO these days. The only guy who actually has some personality is Federighi.

Apple needs to hire some great personable public speakers. Make things fun and interesting.
 
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sjsharksfan12 said:
That is basically Apple's MO these days. The only guy who actually has some personality is Federighi.

Apple needs to hire some great personable public speakers. Make things fun and interesting.
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I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.
 
I’m running the beta and the 21:9 support is fantastic. It doesn’t just work for projectors, it works for ultrawide monitors as well.
 
But guys… you’re completely missing the most important feature: Vacuum support!

I don’t think we’re talking enough about how amazing it will be to tell Siri to vacuum instead of bending down and hit a button
 
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dredlew said:
From a marketing perspective, continuous releases of features would not work. Apple isn’t going to hold a press event for every new feature. And if there’s no press, less people will know about it and less people will buy products.

Unless Apple starts a subscription for this type of software, the software needs to drive hardware sales to be viable. No one wants yet another subscription…
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I work in IT (operations) for a huge marketing/advertising company. If I were to get 15 people with an iPhone in a room, I would have no issue asking them what new features any release has and half of them wouldn't even know there was a new release and the other 6 or 7 might know one or two new features. The amount of convos I have had where users ask me about a problem only for me to show them their iPhone could already do it (probably for years already). It also doesn't help announcing a feature 9 months in advance and expect the average user to remember what that feature was when it finally updates. So, doing quick little marketing vids throughout the year instead of one BIG drop makes more sense to me to keep the features relevant as they are released. When AI is available next year, I feel very confident that almost no average user will know (or care) that they were updated with new features. They just want to take pictures/video for Insta or Snap and complain about Boomers.
 
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Literally how lazy can you be? You need a vacuum cleaner app on the Apple TV. You can’t even walk over to the vacuum or god forbid…do it yourself? These services are slowly turning the human race into Wall-E
 
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DougieS said:
Nearly every company has a roadmap of upcoming features. This is nothing new.
Yes Apple could potentially be clearer when they expect which features will be in each release, however this is basically the live service you are stating with features continuously rolling out across the year just with a preview of what to expect in advance.
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But that's my point...they announce these 'new' features months in advance. I'll use Sony and PS5 as an outside example. They don't announce new features coming next year. They announce a beta on their blog with the new features, the testers do their thing, then it's released to the public. Waiting a few weeks for new features rather than 9 months seems a little more practical...IMHO
 
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Getabeard80 said:
Yeah, the difference isn’t exactly noticeable even to audiophiles
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I bet you to look up about what precisely I'm asking. I'm talking about Bitstream Support, not lossless Audio per se.

What I'm asking for is Bitstream Support. This is a neccessity to enable Dolby Atmos/DTS-X Height Channels. Those in fact get cut off completely. So your statement might be true about the discussion of the usefullness of losless audio in itself, but the context is a little bit different when complete audio channels get erased from existince.

The only reason that Apple might not offer it yet, is that no Streaming Provider offers support for it right now, but that does no longer make any sense, since they added it to MacOS this year.
 
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