Ergonomics is not a problem. Just put it like this (left):
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Apple Says Touchscreen Macs 'Not a Particularly Useful or Appropriate Application of Multi-Touch'
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Ergonomics is not a problem. Just put it like this (left):
See above.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Yes but if Apple rolled out one and spun it's merits to us, magically it would not hurt... or not "just hurt." Instead, it would be "shut up and take my money" and "best Mac ever" and "how did we ever get by without...". We always have strong rationale against what Apple doesn't currently sell... until they do... and then we froth in the greatness of something with which we used to find such fault. Go back and read many, many bashes against phones with screens bigger than 3.5" inch ("perfection") and then 4" ("perfection"): "one handed use", "pants with bigger pockets", "developer fragmentation", "gimmick" and the overused "99% don't want...", etc. Then Apple rolls out phones with bigger screens and they sell in record numbers (very impressive by the 1% that bought them) and I'm still looking for all these pants with bigger pockets... or surgeries to lengthen human hands.
Or go back and read many, many bashes against NFC before Apple offered it. We had 1000 reasons why it was a stupid, useless, gimmick back then. Then Apple launches Apple Pay and we wanted to boycott any stores that would not let us pay that way.
I feel no great love for touchscreen laptops myself, but I also don't need to fault them (and Apple doesn't need any of us to fault competitor differences among ourselves). In my own day-to-day, I see lots of people with keyboard cases for their iPads which basically has them replicating the concept of using a keyboard like a laptop AND touching their screens too. What I don't hear those Apple saying is how much it hurts them to use their iPads like a touch-screen laptop. So apparently, it works fine for those using Apple products but doesn't work for Apple people when using non-Apple products in identical ways... until Apple adopts it and then it will work just fine.
But but but ...it has Windows bleach..!!! /sErgonomics is not a problem. Just put it like this (left):
See above.
LOL...that would be the argument if people did not hide themselves... MS did a great product and it pains !!!
Microsoft agrees, the Surface Studio goes almost flat for that purpose
Is Jobs now "working" for Microsoft?? No they simply have a clever C.E.O.
Hardly vertical
Thanks for posting this image. I hadn't followed Surface Studio reviews because I'm quite anti-Microsoft. I love that way of using a touchscreen, and if Linux developers manage to fully support the Studio at some point, it might easily become a future choice of mine.
I have Surface pro - yes the touchscreen isn`t bad thing, but I mostly use it only, when I detach the keyboard. While with keyboard, mostly using touch pad, because It takes muscle power to lift my arms from keyboard or touchpad. However my Mom loves the touchscreen, it`s more intuitive for her.
I think Touch bar actually is great thing. In apps like Adobe After effects or 3D programs there`s many shortcuts on Function keys or numpad (which MBP never had). Now the Touch bar has option to put all that stuff there.
I`m mostly sad, that there`s still no official support for External GPUS for MBP. No chance for serious animation or 3d work without desktop class GPU.
Ergonomics is not a problem. Just put it like this (left):
Lol so the answer to the ergonomics problem of touchscreens on a laptop, is to make it into a tablet instead. The irony of engineering your way out of a problem that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Apparently you have never heard of the Acer Swift 7. Touch screen and weighs a mere .45lbs heavier than the new MBP; MBP- 2.03 lbs, Acer - 2.48 AND is thinner! MBP 2016 - .35-1.31cm front to back. Acer- .39-.39cm Front to back.
*smh would never have thought I would actually be using Acer as an example for anything* #IFeelDirty
I used to have a touchscreen iMac-like machine years ago. It doesn't really work up there like that - but that MS Surface Studio thing has the right idea. Being able to tilt it down and use like a giant iPad Pro (with Pencil!) is the way forward. I really hope Apple fire up their photocopiers, and take notes from the new MBP backlash.
What are you talking about? My iPhone communicates with my Mac wirelessly and has done for years.
Optimized, in what way? There is software where touch input is enabled and the UI is optimized in that direction. But, as I said, I haven't come across a software which under usage is equally good when using mouse or touch input.
Remember when Johnny Ive was like God?
Everyone knows, vertical touch displays for extended work is wrong.
I don't think the criticism directed at Ive is because Macs don't have touch screens, but rather it feels like innovation is missing at Apple. I say feels, because perception can damage a brand.
So the message is, we've got some great things we're working on.
Okay, let's wait and see.
But at some point, all the flowery words get tired. And it put up or shut up.
It's your move Johnny.
Everyone knows, vertical touch displays for extended work is wrong.
I don't think the criticism directed at Ive is because Macs don't have touch screens, but rather it feels like innovation is missing at Apple. I say feels, because perception can damage a brand.
So the message is, we've got some great things we're working on.
Okay, let's wait and see.
But at some point, all the flowery words get tired. And it put up or shut up.
It's your move Johnny.
The issue here isn't the form factor (i.e.: laptop form factor vs tablet form factor), but the OS (i.e.: MacOS vs iOS).
The problem isn't that a touchscreen on the MacBook isn't ergonomic. The problem is that the supposedly ergonomic solution (the iPad) doesn't run an operating system. If Apple installed an operating system on it, there wouldn't be any discussion here.
I feel like the touch bar is going to be insanely more useful once it gets haptic feedback so that you know you have tapped something. No idea how that didn't make the cut, but that gives me something to look forward to in the next iterative update.
Side note: I know I'm late to the party but I just watched the MBP reveal on the way to work. Schiller describing the thickness as "just 15mm thin" was so irritatingly pompous. Like Ive (presumably) isn't going to jump out of the shadows and kill you if you say something is "15 mm thick."
Side note: I know I'm late to the party but I just watched the MBP reveal on the way to work. Schiller describing the thickness as "just 15mm thin" was so irritatingly pompous. Like Ive (presumably) isn't going to jump out of the shadows and kill you if you say something is "15 mm thick."
First: LOL Acer.
Second. You're right, I never heard of it. Because "LOL Acer".
Third: I'm looking at the product page. I don't see touch. The images all show a bezel'd panel, which isn't touch, and their features page doesn't list touch. So what am I missing here?
Well, maybe you do and can provide some examples. That would be a lot more constructive.
That sounds like a you problem, not a touchscreen laptop problem. Why would you or anyone be confused? Simply use what you prefer, be it the trackpad or the touchscreen. There's nothing confusing about that.
swingerofbirch
macrumors 68040
I thought it was odd in the product intro video how he emphasized that this was "just the beginning."
For me, if I am paying $1800, I don't want the beginning. I want the complete idea.
But it wasn't a one-off statement. He repeated it again, and then he went out of his way to tease that they're doing something dramatically different with the Mac in the future.
"It's just the beginning" in that context sounds apologetic for what they're currently shipping.
It also sounded very defensive when he (paraphrasing) said, "We came up with a lot of amazing alternative to the current aluminum MacBook Pro we've been selling for years and years but I can't tell you about them."
For me, if I am paying $1800, I don't want the beginning. I want the complete idea.
But it wasn't a one-off statement. He repeated it again, and then he went out of his way to tease that they're doing something dramatically different with the Mac in the future.
"It's just the beginning" in that context sounds apologetic for what they're currently shipping.
It also sounded very defensive when he (paraphrasing) said, "We came up with a lot of amazing alternative to the current aluminum MacBook Pro we've been selling for years and years but I can't tell you about them."