Apple Says Trump's Tariffs Will Reduce Its Economic Contributions and Global Competitiveness

[Iconoclysm]

I've already retired once, and am winding down a second career. There was a time that assembly and manufacturing jobs were considered to be excellent work in this country. Oddly, Lenovo is able to assemble computers in this country. How is it that Honda, VW, Kia, and Hyundai area able to assemble vehicles in this country? What is different about them?
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A bigger worry would be that Apple do a corporate inversion, like Burger King did.

Really, how are cars different from phones when it comes to assembly? Lenovo? Please try and look at the scale of a product such as the iPhone, that has a yearly update, and compare that to what Lenovo manufactures in the US. There's nothing comparable between the two, Lenovo's old PC's assembled in NC are a commodity product with little demand. There is no rush to quickly change production parts or specs...
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America is at its best right now!!!! Thank you President Trump!!!

How is it at its best right now? By what metric, exactly? Or is this just the standard Trump troll? I get that you believe it's doing great, I just don't see why you believe that...

 

[norbinhouston]

Hold on, Tim Cook's obligation is to the stockholders. His job is to make them as much return on their investment as possible. He is not obligated to the Mac Community, the Apple Employee, or even the U.S.A.

Of course it is, but when his only card is off shore manufacturing and tariffs are going to impact that, he's going to try and fight it, since he has nothing else to offer.

 

[HappyIntro]

Globalists don’t want any nation to thrive, they want them all to bow to having a generic international identity, specifically the USA; and any and all opposition is chalked up as isolationist and anti international sentiment. It’s destruction of entire nations and their culture and history masquerading as political correctness wokeness and tolerance. Of course I love other country’s have their own culture it’s what makes the world interesting. I just so happen to love that of my country as well. And I don’t apologize for it

You're posts make you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist. What you may be forgetting is that China is now the biggest market for goods going forward; if they prosper, American companies can make more money selling to them then they would otherwise. If everybody prospers, we all benefit. Additionally, if our President acts like a stupid, rude, ignorant jerk, it makes it easy for people of any other country to dislike the USA further and fall back on their own nationalistic tendencies. By the way, thanks to the current President, the USA is no longer the "leader of the Western World." Where the USA is going now, others are not going to follow. We are being literally laughed at around the world. As someone who loves my country (USA), it is very saddening to see what is happening.

 

[Bug-Creator]

Force China to play the the same rules as everyone else.

Which ones would that be?

The ones the US is (not) following?

The ones that apply for the rest of the 1st world (Europe, Japan, S. Korea)?

Or the ones forced onto the have-nots?

 

[thadoggfather]

You're posts make you sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist. What you may be forgetting is that China is now the biggest market for goods going forward; if they prosper, American companies can make more money selling to them then they would otherwise. If everybody prospers, we all benefit. Additionally, if our President acts like a stupid, rude, ignorant jerk, it makes it easy for people of any other country to dislike the USA further and fall back on their own nationalistic tendencies. By the way, thanks to the current President, the USA is no longer the "leader of the Western World." Where the USA is going now, others are not going to follow. We are being literally laughed at around the world. As someone who loves my country (USA), it is very saddening to see what is happening.

I'm not concerned with how my posts make me sound. Reality is often stranger than fiction. Social pressure has no bearing on anything ESPECIALLY the internet but thanks for trying that angle anyways!

More like conspiracy... no 'theory' involved. Elitists *are* actively plotting to depopulate us, strip us of our culture, and rule the world. If you don't think that's a possibility, you place too much faith in people you don't know, have never met, and will never meet whose ambitions for power, as best as I can tell, exceed all else. I would argue for as passionate as you appear to be coming across, you have proportionally done little to no research. So enjoy your fragile bubble that you seem shook up by as others question...

 

[KazKam]

Why do you believe the USA must be distinctly prosperous? Why not global prosperity? Is that not in your vision?

Because it's where I live and work, it's where my family lives and where I want myself and them to succeed above all others. Naturally I (and everyone else, even if they won't admit it to themselves or others) want what's best for me and mine / them and theirs. I don't want other countries or people to fail, I just don't want them to succeed at my expense.

You may say I'm being selfish, and to that I say you're GD right I am. To say anything else would be disingenuous and contrary to human nature and natural selection.

You may say "but it's not a zero sum game," but it kind of is, and always will be. Equality and fairness are completely subjective social constructs, they don't exist in nature, and they'll never exist in society. There will always be haves and have nots... I'd prefer to stay a have.

 

[Iconoclysm]

First thank you for your service.

Second, not being a democrat isnt relevant. There are plenty of 'conservatives' that equally cheer on the downfall of USA, and I dont particularly identify with either party at this point (despite being socially pressured into being loosely identifying as democrat for 2/3 of my life, or fear being ousted from the club which i no longer fear or care about) but you can bet definitely not the former in any capacity.

As for 'defending' Trump, I'm not sure this is a conversation worth having since you've written off his supporters as liking him merely for being rich and white. Not all voters cling to identity politics. That's a rather myopic view of messy and complex politics in 2019. But certainly when it comes to the trade war, I think we should be tougher on China, no matter who is president. And its working because Apple is rumored to be looking into relocating up to 30% of their supply elsewhere. So screech on, but it does appear to be working.

As for Mexico tensions, those appear to be working as well.

As for 'were gonna get nuked by Little Kim' that appears to have not happened. So all hysteria can be continuously thrown into the future, because thats a time period that cannot rationally be argued since it hasn't happened. Its obsessing about the hypothetical which isnt something I do very often if at all.

Your gif also serves as no argument but nice anyways!

Interestingly enough, Trump said we were going to be nuked during his campaign. He's also now predicting the economy would fall apart if he isn't re-elected. This despite the fact that he's really made zero impactful change on our economy...and then there's the deficit he has made worse. Didn't he say he was going to solve the opiod crisis? Well he promised a cure for cancer the other night... If we want to talk about hysteria, look no further than the words he says.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

First thank you for your service.

Second, not being a democrat isnt relevant. There are plenty of 'conservatives' that equally cheer on the downfall of USA, and I dont particularly identify with either party at this point (despite being socially pressured into being loosely identifying as democrat for 2/3 of my life, or fear being ousted from the club which i no longer fear or care about) but you can bet definitely not the former in any capacity.

As for 'defending' Trump, I'm not sure this is a conversation worth having since you've written off his supporters as liking him merely for being rich and white. Not all voters cling to identity politics. That's a rather myopic view of messy and complex politics in 2019. But certainly when it comes to the trade war, I think we should be tougher on China, no matter who is president. And its working because Apple is rumored to be looking into relocating up to 30% of their supply elsewhere. So screech on, but it does appear to be working.

As for Mexico tensions, those appear to be working as well.

As for 'were gonna get nuked by Little Kim' that appears to have not happened. So all hysteria can be continuously thrown into the future, because thats a time period that cannot rationally be argued since it hasn't happened. Its obsessing about the hypothetical which isnt something I do very often if at all.

Your gif also serves as no argument but nice anyways!

First off, no need to thank me for my service. I did my service willingly. That statement means nothing to me when coming from someone who supports that guy (the GIF is obvious proof of the type of man he is: a punk).

Everything else you infer from my post is wrong. But as I already stated, there is no point in discussing it, so I'll say it again, since you didn't get it the first time:

Whatever.

 

[ajfahey]

The tariffs aren't about doing what's good for Apple Tim. They're about doing what's good for America. I exclusively own Apple products and am also a stock holder. Nevertheless, I am first an American and America is my priority, and if there is an Apple price to pay, so be it. That's what being selfless is all about. Ask anyone in the American military who puts more on the line that a corporate bottom line.

 

[Iconoclysm]

First off, no need to thank me for my service. I did my service willingly. That statement means nothing to me when coming from someone who supports that guy (the GIF is obvious proof of the type of man he is: a punk).

Everything else you infer from my post is wrong. But as I already stated, there is no point in discussing it, so I'll say it again, since you didn't get it the first time:

Whatever.

I was going to point out to him how many feel offended by being thanked for their service...thought it was better to let you do it.

 

[thadoggfather]

First off, no need to thank me for my service. I did my service willingly. That statement means nothing to me when coming from someone who supports that guy (the GIF is obvious proof of the type of man he is: a punk).

Everything else you infer from my post is wrong. But as I already stated, there is no point in discussing it, so I'll say it again, since you didn't get it the first time:

Whatever.

You dont like being thanked for your service? That's a first.

And of course I know you did your service willingly, not contingent upon a stranger being grateful for it. But in any case, you do you!

I think we should call it quits as well. Agree to disagree

 

[Iconoclysm]

You dont like being thanked for your service? That's a first.

And of course I know you did your service willingly, not contingent upon a stranger being grateful for it. But in any case, you do you!

I think we should call it quits as well. Agree to disagree

That's a first? Maybe you don't spend much time around the military...in my experience, people hate it. https://inmilitary.com/why-saying-thank-you-for-your-service-offends-some-veterans/

 

[BornAgainMac]

It doesn't matter. Long term if this policy stays in effect, the products will be created locally for U.S. consumers to keep the prices lower eventually. In 2 years, there will be an election and it is likely it will be a new person and they will undo all those policies put in effect. So the impact is really short term either way.

 

[Analog Kid]

Made in the U.S.A. used to mean something. I remember when I was proud that the Mac Pro was being assembled in Texas.

Proud enough to buy one? Proud enough to sign up for one of the jobs the Chinese used to do? Or just proud in an abstract, touchy-feely, non-economic way?

 

[thadoggfather]

That's a first? Maybe you don't spend much time around the military...in my experience, people hate it. https://inmilitary.com/why-saying-thank-you-for-your-service-offends-some-veterans/

"And most of us, liberals and conservatives alike, genuinely mean it."

That does sound like a personal problem, I'll be totally honest. People expressing gratitude is certainly more appreciable than no gratitude, or worse, hostility on average all things being equal. You risked your life, the least civilians can do is say thanks. You are why we enjoy our freedoms regardless of your political views, where you were deployed / what war you were in, or even your view of me. It transcends all of that.

...You mentioned you served, so I acknowledged it. I think that's the respectable thing to do, but because you don't, I will pretend I didn't say it (just for you).

That is your prerogative, and I'm not here to change your mind.

If we can't move on, then I will assume you stating it was a trap. And I will not think the same of others, disliking it, because you are genuinely the first to tell me that.

 

[blucable]

If Trump shall ever appear in any MacRumors post, this is the picture to choose. Every single time Trump is named by MacRumors that is the only picture they choose which is quite old by the way.

 

[jlocker]

Apple needs to remember it is a American company not a Chinese company. They need to find products that they can assemble and build here like what they do with the Mac Pro Towers. Maybe build the iMac Pro or the Mac Book Pros. They make a good profit on this hardware. We have a lot of the software programmers here. People building systems = People have money to buy your systems here in the U.S.A. We are a global economic world, but why does the USA have play on uneven trade and commerce.

My old boss Ross Perot when i worked for him at GM/EDS and Perot Systems warned up about unfair trade way back in 1992 with the statement "Giant sucking sound" for jobs with nafta and he was 100% correct. But did anyone listen no, they just made fun of him. We can not sacrifice are own prosperity any longer to hope people will like us.

It is like giving money to a girl friend or boy friend that does not really like you that much, but you hope by giving everything they will love you. They think boy this person is so stupid not to see what i am doing.

 

[eatrains]

America is only the leader of Western society. If America collapses, freedom as you know or understand it internationally will Eventually follow

Laughable.

 

[chrisbru]

Ohh okay, so tim is afraid that now he can’t hand out multi million dollar bonuses to him and his fellow corporate fat cats ?

These tariffs are a great thing. These god damn corporate executives 10’s of millions of dollars worth of bonuses every year when that money can be re-invested into lean manufacturing.

Literally, it costs apple a couple hundred dollars to assemble an iPhone. Then they turn around and sell the damn thing for $1000+. Get the entire F out of here with that nonsense.

These tariffs have corporate America scared as they should be !

Tariffs are a regressive tax that hurt consumers, not executives. The thing you should be advocating for is taxing corporations appropriately.

 

[thadoggfather]

Laughable.

tell me how you really feel

 

[jlocker]

This whole tariff thing is one of the stupidest things Trump has done in office, other than obstructing justice to the point that he’ll immediately be indicted once he’s no longer in office.

Hopefully he stops monkeying around with the economy like this before driving us into a recession.

Wow you need to go back to school and do some studying on Socioeconomic history. the US has given up so much of are trading and manufacturing to China all the way back from 1972. They have stolen intellectual property, They steal corporate and government information and have not played fair for over 2 decades. Fair trade is Fair trade not, their trade should be better than our trade. Or move to China and see how your freedom of speech works over their.

 

[macpro2000]

Really, how are cars different from phones when it comes to assembly? Lenovo? Please try and look at the scale of a product such as the iPhone, that has a yearly update, and compare that to what Lenovo manufactures in the US. There's nothing comparable between the two, Lenovo's old PC's assembled in NC are a commodity product with little demand. There is no rush to quickly change production parts or specs...
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How is it at its best right now? By what metric, exactly? Or is this just the standard Trump troll? I get that you believe it's doing great, I just don't see why you believe that...

Metrics are great in virtually every faction. Keep America Great!!!

 

[HappyIntro]

I'm not concerned with how my posts make me sound. Reality is often stranger than fiction. Social pressure has no bearing on anything ESPECIALLY the internet but thanks for trying that angle anyways!

More like conspiracy... no 'theory' involved. Elitists *are* actively plotting to depopulate us, strip us of our culture, and rule the world. If you don't think that's a possibility, you place too much faith in people you don't know, have never met, and will never meet whose ambitions for power exceed all else. I would argue for as passionate as you appear to be coming across, you have proportionally done little to no research. So enjoy your bubble you seem shook up by as others question...

I would not say that what you believe is not possible. Reality can definitely be stranger than fiction. In my experience, more often than not, reality is often way more boring and straightforward than fiction. I appreciate that you are looking out for the USA in your way, we both share a desire for the USA to prosper and continue to offer the liberty and freedom it currently does.

 

[Crzyrio]

I've already retired once, and am winding down a second career. There was a time that assembly and manufacturing jobs were considered to be excellent work in this country. Oddly, Lenovo is able to assemble computers in this country. How is it that Honda, VW, Kia, and Hyundai area able to assemble vehicles in this country? What is different about them?
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A bigger worry would be that Apple do a corporate inversion, like Burger King did.

And as technology moves forward, assembly and manufacturing jobs have become the least desirable jobs.


VW Global Sales: ~6.25 Million
KIA Global Sales: ~2.8 Million
Lenovo Global Laptop Shipment: >1 Million

iPhone Sales: ~200 Million

 

[eatrains]

tell me how you really feel

I did.