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Apple Says 'We Won't Make an Exception' for Epic Games in App Store Dispute
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The way i see it. If Apple has already done just one deal with another company/developer. (Say for example they've already done a deal with Amazon with Amazon's Movie/Music rentals or purchases) where they have been allowed to avoid the Apple Tax. Then Apples really in the ****. I'm pro Epic on this one. The truth always comes out
Personally, as a developer, I see the future more appealing if we can create a world where a single person or small teams can craft apps that work well and find a market for themselves. That was the original appeal of the App Store, create access by having a single channel and distributor, allowing you to reach massive audience without massive marketing and publishing budget. With the over-saturation of the app store this may be more difficult today, but it does remain an attractive proposal.
Get an Android then. Apple’s software, Apple‘s rules.
How is that Apple's and Google's fault? There is nothing stopping me from creating a competitor to those two. How is it their fault that a third party is not available?
You didn't answer my question. There is no alternative and that means monopoly.
And why do you think I would like Microsoft or anyone else's monopoly?
The battle royale continues between Epic Games and Apple.
In a statement shared with Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple said that "we won't make an exception for Epic because we don't think it's right to put their business interests ahead of the guidelines that protect our customers."
Apple said that "the problem Epic has created for itself is one that can be easily remedied" if Epic submits a version of the Fortnite app that does not offer a direct payment option for its in-game currency V-Bucks. Apple removed Fortnite from the App Store last week for offering players an alternative to its in-app purchase mechanism.
Apple's full statement:Read our Epic Games vs. Apple guide for an up-to-date timeline of the events surrounding Fortnite's removal from the App Store.
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Good. This will hopefully bring to light the vertical monopoly that Apple IS.
No, it doesn’t. Again you seem to be thinking that your opinion is fact.
Show me the Supreme Court ruling that clearly shows your post is factually based on case law and how it’s clear to everyone that you’re right and everyone else is wrong.
Of course as a developer you would support developers more. While I agree that 30% is egregious, you directly benefit from the platform existing, that people know and love and stick with iPhones purely for the OS in many cases (not me since I jump back and forth, but many people I know), and some slight tweaks (iMessage in the U.S. for instance), but I think they deserve SOMETHING, especially since most developers don't seem to realize in most cases, even on Android, the majority of users don't know how to sideload anything. My parents for instance do good to use the phone, they definitely don't want to go elsewhere to look for apps. Not to mention it's easier to know when your kids, who are the primary target for Fortnite decide to spend a lot of money because of controls that are directly tied into an Apple ID. I think that would be harder with an outside payment system, only knowing your kids went nuts with your debit card when you see it on your statement. I just read a horror story about a teen that spent like $20,000 on Twitch.
The problem is that since they combined control the majority of the market a competitor can't really enter it because of market share.
Even if a competing App Store appeared on whatever device it would be almost impossible for them to gain any market share because developers would choose to develop for those with the most market share (Google + Apple)
So yes, Apple or Google don't have a monopoly on the market by themselves, but they combined have a duopoly of almost the entire mobile market and both stores have similar restrictions.
The reason why I chose iOS instead of Android is because of the one App Store. I actually like some more features in Android phones than iPhones. But I prefer iPhones because I buy into the Apple Ecosystem. Its not a "general communication device". It is an iPhone. Apple's phone.
Should Apple be forced to release Logic Pro X and Final Cut Pro X on Windows? macOS and Windows are both "general computing platforms". So any product that exists in Windows, should exist in macOS right?
No? You are fine Apple releasing their products for just macOS? Why?
Macs are Apple computers so they have Apple features
iPhones are Apple communication devices, so they have Apple features
I do not know why this is so hard to understand for some people. You can't just classify Android and iOS as "general communication devices". They each (Especially Android companies like Samsung) have different things and features.
One of those features on iOS is being locked down. This is a major benefit in my eyes and why I did not get Android.
Here you are,
Microsoft was found to violate antitrust laws for "the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp
The Sherman Act also makes it a crime to monopolize any part of interstate commerce. An unlawful monopoly exists when one firm controls the market for a product or service, and it has obtained that market power, not because its product or service is superior to others, but by suppressing competition with anticompetitive conduct.
The Apple App Store is a service. Is it the only service? No. There are over 300 mobile app stores worldwide. What do you get with Apple or Google Play? You get front and center placement (advertising, like a billboard). Can you develop and sell on another App Store? Yes, you can. It's not an antitrust case, it's not a monopoly, and it certainly can't be duopoly with 300+ app stores. Will you get a lot of revenue on other app stores? Perhaps not, but you get what you pay for...
No, no, no, that's impossible because Apple slaps "privacy" somewhere on every marketing page on their website. They charge users for their V-bucks and Apple Music subscriptions by not even storing their payment information, somehow. (Sarcasm, of course.)
Never mind security, though, like when people were able to brute-force high-profile iCloud accounts and leak salacious photos of their owners several years back. Brute-forcing is among the more easily preventable/inhibitable types of attacks, yet Apple allowed it to happen.
It’s funny you’d use tax as an example, seeing as Apple is notoriously bad at paying tax. The more they make, the less they aim to pay... currently about 0.78% in the EU.
That's exactly what is going to happen if you don't improve the policy and it is actually Apple fault for instigating many lawsuits.
For instance, anyone who intends to repair a certain 2015-2020 model of Apple laptop SSD/RAM will be forced to do a complete logic board replacement that can be very costly for the average customers. In contrast, the majority of computer brand is embracing removable SSD/RAM to provide its customer easier to repair and reduces the impact of e-waste.
For instance, anyone who intends to repair a certain 2015-2020 model of Apple laptop SSD/RAM will be forced to do a complete logic board replacement that can be very costly for the average customers. In contrast, the majority of computer brand is embracing removable SSD/RAM to provide its customer easier to repair and reduces the impact of e-waste.
Allowing outside apps would not remove that ecosystem, many devs would still even support it because it provides them with free advertisement, hosting, and support.
Absolutely no one said Macs should have all the software windows has, nor should Windows be required to have all the software Macs do.
You wouldn't be required to reduce the security whatsoever if you decided not to, you would be able to continue using the device exactly as you do now, if developers chose to not develop for the App Store, that's their decision.
Seriously, I am shocked. Not at you, but you got a downvote and people here are still fighting this.
What would you people say about me severely complaining to AMD that they do not offer CUDA cores? Or that Intel does not offer a consumer 12 core processor? You would tell me to get the other product.
Where did this crazy idea come from that you get the product that fits your needs? My gosh people. If I need CUDA cores, I get NVIDIA. I don't get AMD and then complain all the time. You get the product that fits your needs.
If you need side loading, get Android. It is just this simple guys. You should do this for ALL products. Do you need the i7-10700k or the i9-10900k? You need to go with what you need.
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Allowing outside apps is the entire definition of removing that ecosystem. It will no longer be locked down to one store.
I am seriously shocked. I said I prefer iPhones because I like they are locked down to one store. And you said allowing outside apps won't remove that? Wow.
1. If you like the App Store you can stay on the App Store. Nobody is banning App Store, or preventing you from using App Store. People are asking for the freedom not use App Store. If you like being locked down you can stay locked down, nobody is forcing you do otherwise.
2. No antitrust law requires Apple to release Logic Pro X on Windows.
3. App Store is an Apple feature, but forcing it on everyone is not.
lol the way Apple keeps saying "protect our costumers" as if they are being genuine, as if they don't mean their money... like a ...mantra.
Yes I would be required. Fortnite (for example) would NOT be on App Store. Therefore I would be required to reduce the security.
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"If you like the App Store, keep it locked down" does not hold water.
Until Photoshop, Fortnite, Affinity, Office and other apps are no longer on the App Store and I need to use the Adobe, Epic, Microsoft app stores.
On what planet does Apple allow REAL multi-tasking on iOS? Anything remotely intensive on the most current iPhone reloads when switching between apps, no split-screen. Also they're supposedly going to allow default selections, but they still currently don't on the most recent public beta. There are created "demos" but they still don't exist, and the way Safari works all browsers are basically Safari dressed differently, though bookmark syncing will be nice.
App Store is the only app store on iOS.
What’s interesting is you can check out a purchase on Apple’s own Apple Store app and you are presented with the option of using Apple Pay or your own bank / credit card details.
You can also purchase items from Apple using PayPal or bank credit, it’s not like Apple are a stranger to presenting the customer with alternative payment methods, which Apple themselves are willing to trust.
You can also purchase items from Apple using PayPal or bank credit, it’s not like Apple are a stranger to presenting the customer with alternative payment methods, which Apple themselves are willing to trust.
Epic is realizing that this monopoly will soon extend to all user devices. Not just phones. The issue isn’t just money, but creative control over their apps. Apple has been known to censor apps due to political reasons. Monopolies are bad for everyone but the monopoly.