No, I don't think that this where his problem is. In fact DevNull0 summed it pretty nicely why potential buyers are holding back.
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No, I don't think that this where his problem is. In fact DevNull0 summed it pretty nicely why potential buyers are holding back.
For starters, Loyalists and consumers are the one in the same, or vice versa. I own multiple Apple products, does this make me a loyalist? Or a consumer? Or maybe I'm a loyalist because I only purchase Apple products? Or does a consumer own only an iPhone and refuses to purchase any other branded Phone?
Do you have any idea how many customers who will upgrade or purchase the iPhone 7 without even understanding any changes made to the newest device? Millions. Why? Because most customers only seek camera improvements or some latest feature "They heard about or must have." Others will buy the iPhone 7 just because it's the latest device with a 'Cool' color. Millions of iPhone purchasers do not even visit forum websites to fully understand what is occurring in the technology world, more specifically Apple. My point is, this is the consumer.
The reason Apple is under fire is because they are behind on their MacBook Pro updates and their iPhone 7 reportedly has the same design for three years, more Watch bands, less innovation..the list goes on. But...Apple fans want to see Apple succeed, they express their frustrations and want a superior product, which we all know Apple can and will do. I guarantee when the MacBook Pro is refreshed and perhaps released in October, the preorders will be through the roof.
As for the iPhone, sure it's very similar looking to the 6/6s with reduced antenna bands and a camera bump. This is where I may differ from other Apple forum members, I can appreciate the smaller enhancements with the possibility of an extended battery, A10/M10 processors, Camera improvements, more water resistant/waterproof, 3-D touch capability on the home button, maybe Tru-Tone display? Those are just a few rumored upgrades.
Some can look past the physical aspects of the iPhone and appreciate more internal software then hardware per se. So, with the possible deleted 3.5 Jack, I have excepted that and I understand I may be required to have an adapter to use my current wired headphones. Again, I understand this has been a huge issue for a lot of Apple iPhone owners, but we don't know what Apple has in store yet and excepting that Bluetooth is heavily being influenced in the mobile world and the electronic industry overall.
Now, I can understand why you may want to make the switch to the Note 7. There are the things I take in consideration with Apple, which is their ecosystem. Which alone, if you read through the forum, is a strong point for lot iPhone users. Secondly, Apple's iOS and security is by far More superior in my opinion.
Now, in the end, what does this change by you leaving? Honestly, absolutely nothing. If you want to leave, then leave. Not trying to be rude, but not everyone will be pleased with Apple's lack there of or changes, and that's how it's going to be. I can look past certain things and can except it. Others struggle and threaten or make it known they are frustrated, and leaving. It happens. It's not the first time Apple has lost customers based off decisions. But make no mistake about it, there are customers who will choose to stay with Apple not because they are refusing to leave, they just choose to stay with Apple based iOS, support, and Apple puts out great hardware.
Lastly, the Apple products I've purchased has been an investment for me, knowingly that I am receiving excellent hardware, which meet my expectations, and thats all I can ask for.
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Yeah you're right I'ma just stick with Apple bc of Imessage. All my ladies use it so I want stay in network. You know if iMessage can be used on Android?
That's honestly your reply to my previous post? Is an iMessage retort? Clearly your in over your head and cannot fathom everything I stated. After your latest reply, it's evident this is beyond an intelligent conversation with you.
Well I didn't read all of it. It was too long tbh.
So, you prefer one liner conversations? Exactly. And you replied with a lame comment. I again, tried to have a insightful discussion with you on your claims regarding Apple. Time to move on.
Really? Why am I running a 17" MacBook Pro that I bought in February 2011 then? The only real reasons I'm contemplating replacing that is that it lacks USB 3, I'd quite like to add a second external display, my previous work-arounds (a USB 3 ExpressCard and ScreenRecycler) will stop working if I upgrade to El Cap or beyond, and I don't want to spend hundreds on a Thunderbolt solution to those issues when TB3/USB-C is just around the corner.
No, my problem is that I'd quite like my next ~$2000 computer purchase to last 5+ years as well, and you don't do that by getting a machine with TB2 and USB3.0 a year after USB-C/USB 3.1 gen 2 and TB3 start appearing. I don't give a flip about Skylake except that it is needed for USB-C/TB3. There are Dells out now - and motherboards from which I could build a hot desktop system - which have those features - and the vast majority of the software I use is cross-platform. As I've pointed out - those machines don't compare like-for-like with hypothetical new Macs but they're all more powerful than the 3-6-year-old kit that many people will be upgrading from.
The reason I might have to replace it is the dreaded GPU death (the first one lasted 4 years and was replaced without fuss so I'm not complaining too hard). As long as the new one holds out I can wait for new MacBooks, but if it packs in and I need a replacement immediately I'll have a hard choice between a current Apple machine and Dell.
Why a relative small proportion of potential buyers are holding back. And almost all of those potential buyers will become real buyers once the new MBPs are released. People who switch operating systems over a few months are exceedingly rare.
I can stand the thought, but if I pay the kind of price Apple wants for a top-end machine - I certainly want the latest and greatest! What's wrong with that?
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I think everyone here hopes for that to become reality. Me included, I'm really looking forward to an upgrade. I was ready for an upgrade last year and Apple produced nothing worth upgrading to. This year I have to do it, be that a Macbook (my preferred option) or something else.
What Apple shouldn't do - and at the moment we have no way of knowing this, save certain rumours - is either not update the Air/Macbook Pro lines until next year with this year's tech, which would be a huge disappointment, or make small incremental updates as they've done so far, i.e. a slightly faster SSD/CPU/etc., which would accentuate their decline in the laptop market.
The Air line, if they keep it, requires a hi-res display, and the Pro line, if they update it, requires a new slim form factor and state-of-the-art specs, to justify the price.
But there are multiple problems here - the iMac processor was and is still the best available - in fact Intel don't' even officially make a 4ghz option that Apple sell.
Secondly whilst the MacBook Pro is outdated now (and you'll note I agree with that in my original post) at its time of release that Haswell was the best processor available - obviously Skylake will be in the new MacBook now and its quite obvious its a little later than usual as its going through a major design change and revision - not just sticking an updated processor in there.
Having had a 2011, 2013 and 2015 MacBook Pro I cannot agree with you that there was no reason in upgrading at all.
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It's never been fully upgradable, ever. Since the day it was introduced. If you want that, you build your own PC.
The top BTO iMac option is an i7-6700k rated at 4GHz by Intel. The k series are meant for enthusiasts and are very over-clockable. So the same CPU in my water-cooled PC is a lot faster than it is from Apple. My GTX 970 is actually in a computer with the slightly older i7-4790k (again no reason to upgrade but no reason to buy the older one either). It easily runs at 5GHz (with the water cooler), but I keep my overclock more modest.
Yes but this has always been the case with Apple since the Steve built the first Mac! Of course if you want to get into over clocking and building water cooled cases compared to an all in one sealed consumer product you'll get more performance, this isn't and never has been Apple's aim though so its a very bizarre comparison.
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Repeating yourself doesn't change anything - it isn't and it was never designed to be since 1998.
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The post I replied to said the CPU in the iMac was a unique part for Apple that was faster than what intel offers to anyone else. I was pointing out that it was an off-the-shelf part and that Apple isn't even taking advantage of it despite the outrageous price they charge for it.
So really, what is your point in this reply?
What outrageous price? Considering the iMac has a 5k screen it's really a very cheap machine. And they are taking advantage of it, they're not going to build a water cooled iMac for one chip to over clock, its as fast as you're going to safely get in the slim case with fans whirring all the time (in fact the machine is silent)
My point is that you're moaning about Apple being the Apple they have always been, nothing has changed - if you want a super over clocked computer with water cooling and you don't care about OS X, incredible looking design and a 5k 27" monitor then you build your own rig.
That's probably true. But I (and probably many others) wish they had similar options in machine that isn't bolted onto a screen. I already have two very nice monitors on my desk. I neither have room for an iMac, nor am I willing to pay for another screen that I don't need. I also think all-in-ones are generally a pretty bad idea for people who want to stay reasonably up-to-date with their hardware, since the innovation cycles for monitors are longer than for computer parts, so it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me to force them into one case.
What I'd like to see is a nice OS X desktop computer with similar options as the iMac, i.e. in the Mac Mini or perhaps something new like a small tower form factor.
But what about those of us who do care about OS X, but not so much the rest?
Hackintosh obviously.
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You're really in quite a small audience there that Apple isn't ever going to bother to cater for - I mean the Mac is such a small part of the their revenue now anyway, the best sellers the iMac and the MacBooks are all they'll really concentrate on.
Regardless the iMac monitor is better than any external display i've used and id rather stick to that then cables and monitors that I don't really find beautiful (unless Apple were going to release a new Thunderbolt display)
Not a good alternative obviously. Unreliable, some functionality is difficult or impossible to get to work, and updates are a hassle. Not to mention that it's a violation of Apple's licensing terms. I really see no reason why Apple couldn't make one reasonable desktop computer.
By that logic they should just stop making computers and be done with it. Apparently their heart isn't in it anymore anyway. It seems they are more interested in fashion gadgets, exclusive Taylor Swift contracts, and making Apple a car company.
I really don't care one bit what the backside of my monitors looks like. Personally, I find the iMac inferior as a monitor (primarily due to the reflective surface).
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Agree with you? Not quite.
MacBook - yes, it is an issue
iPad - Don't see any change there and expect sales to continue to trend down.
iPhone - now this is the exception. There will be those that upgrade without a thought and may like or dislike what they end up with. You will also have those that look at the latest, and unless there is an unknown WoW they will elect not to upgrade. They may or may not leave iOS. Where I do think you will see a drop is Android to iOS conversions. This will leave, I feel, the iPhone is a riskier position than it is in currently.
I may be wrong. Maybe.
In the words of Steve since you are so willing to judge others basedupon him. "What have tyou ever done that's so great?"
How does whatever great things I may or may not have done in any way shape or form absolve Apple from their bonehead decisions of late?
I'm judging said decisions based on historical Apple data, both past and present, that has NOTHING to do with me.
I love how hardcore fans defend an entity and their reps on a personal level...
The only reason that Apple used the "K" version of that CPU was for downclocking it under thermal throttling, which is a heavy influencing factor of putting a desktop i7 into the thinned out iMac chassis with insufficient cooling.
Thats why if you bought the exact same CPU and put it in any other regularly cooled case, you will get better performance, even at stock speeds, than in the iMac.
and yet, Apple have the gall to sell it as the "fastest" you can get on the market.
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The biggest mistake with the Mac Pro was makign it the Mac Pro instead of the long desired "mac X"
If the mac Pro came otu today, with it's sleek small design, but featured a desktop CPU, and option for 1 or 2 modern gaming GPU's. and sold for comparable price to desktop computers, I'd be willing to bet this is the Mac desktop many users would want.
Yet conversely and bizarrely, Apple's share price is rising. How does that work?
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Well then "they" aren't very familiar with the Macintosh history. Sculley's tenure was from 1983-1993, under his tenure the Macintosh was released, under his tenure, it was made a professional machine, under his tenure Apple became what you think it was with Jobs.
The Macintosh was expensive at the time, but there wasn't anything like it available either. All Macintosh models were built like tanks under Sculley and people got what they paid for. That Apple Care thing people can pay extra for these days? Included for free when Sculley was in charge.
Macintosh II and System 6 and System 7, all under Sculley.
Meanwhile Steve Jobs went and founded NeXT, which made networked UNIX computers with a terribad UI. Things he didn't want on the Macintosh, yet Sculley and the rest of Apple managed to save the Macintosh and make it so good, we're still talking about it today.
Steve Jobs screwed up the Macintosh, he almost ****ed it up completely. Steve Jobs was never in his life infallable and back in his 20s-30s he demonstrated that frequently.
If it wasn't for Sculley, the Macintosh would always have been a monochrome 9" non-networked single-process machine. Because that's what Steve Jobs wanted.