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No ports will force the sale of dongles and/or cloud storage. No magsafe means more broken computers. More $ for Tim
Yeah, how dare Apple create a computer which can be connected to a desktop setup with a single cable (by combining charging and data in one protocol). How dare Apple create such standards (USB-C and TB3) that allow for this.
 
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I think this is the biggest we made a large mistake interview I have ever seen from apple short of maps. They are admitting we let our eyes drift a little. We are pulling focus back in to where it belongs. We are not perfect, and we are going to do better. Tim was on point. They are also letting the leaks fly about the new MacBooks to keep people from fleeing and to quell the anger. They need to just say this is when we are announcing be there or be square.
 
Speaking of watch bands, the leather on my leather loop band has come off at the end of it. I'm not real happy, especially with how expensive that thing is.
 
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I was the first "Dumb A$$ / Hater" to post this snippet in the Mac Pro forum. Nice to see even MR is running it on the front page now. I wonder if MR will let it go all red when that inevitably happens - or day-since-update ratings will somehow be revised... Just make them all green/BUY NOW!!! Softballs...

Yes, the problem with "Fan Boy" forums is not so much that they attract Fan Boys, but what happens when you piss of a Fan Boy (Hint - every betray an irrational person??). Welcome to Mac Rumors Tim, Flame suit recommended....

I was never an Apple Fan Boy. I'm a Unix guy and came to the Mac platform when OS X gained traction. I saw a small business opportunity and decided to cash in. But Apple is in total fail mode now. I used to enter Radar bugs that actually got attention and fixed, but that was a long time ago..... Now bugs just get ignored, until the next major release hits at WWDC and I get a form email to please retest on the latest pOS we **** on you... No thanks....

(pOS = new name for iOS - Hey! you saw it here first)

Apple has invested in "improved / emotional marketing" to developers, but we see through the Horse Pucky - it's really just the same idiotic patronizing message as:


No real substance, just coverup for FAIL.
But hey, now YOU can be a pOS Beta tester! How inclusive of Apple to care what you think (really just another emotional marketing ploy....)
 
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Yet conversely and bizarrely, Apple's share price is rising. How does that work? :confused:
It's because profits haven't decreased as much as the previous models by analysts had predicted. Continued share buyback is also supporting the stock price and there even is a decent dividend yield (about 2%) which is higher than 10-year treasury bonds (about 1.6%).
 
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Its strange that he says that. Most of my time awake is spent at work on our MacPros. After 30 years its the first time we are looking into switching to PC. A thousand day old computers with no price cuts is not the recipie to have me "when I wake up to till when I decide to go to sleep.". Competitors are selling systems with 44 cores and a choice of state of the art graphic cards. And Apple, 2 generations back on the E5 chip with only 12 cores, 3 years behind on graphics cards and all this for the same price of when it was new 3 years ago. Who in the world is buying these.

As a long die hard Apple fanboy, I am so turned off anything Apple right now.
 
I think the reason that upgraded laptops haven't been released is for one simple reason: The iPad. Apple (for some inexplicable reason) wants everyone using an iPad now with its Barbie Doll operating system.

One thing's for certain, if the iPad didn't exist, we'd get more timely laptop upgrades.
The reason is simple. Tim has already said he won't combine MacOS with iOS - so he is gradually merging the two. In time, there will only be iOS.
 
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The moment you get used to the back button, the app switcher, the stylus, and all the customization, is the moment you will realize that there is no going back. :p
The back button alone does it for me :) Never, ever, iPhone...

In the meantime though, I have $3k waiting for a new Macbook. And waiting, and waiting...
 
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I'm such a dork that whebi saw the picture of the 3G/3GS that I smiled.... ok everyone as you were...
 
“Last year, it introduced beta testing of iOS, which is the company’s most important operating system.”

So, you guys now can stop complaining about how buggy the macOS is...:cool:
 
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The reason is simple. Tim has already said he won't combine MacOS with iOS - so he is gradually merging the two. In time, there will only be iOS.
I hope you're wrong. I think that day will be the day I will never buy an Apple product again. I couldn't stand a computer that doesn't let me access its file system directly, and would gate all application installations through Apple.
 
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I don't think the iMac line should be listed as "don't buy" - how often do want updates? It was only updated in October - it has Skylake and Intel hasn't released anything in the same spec that is better than it - so what exact update do you think will happen?

It makes me laugh that Apple by the average consumer was mocked for bring stuff out too fast (and in fact still are..."oh don't buy anything from Apple the new one will be out next week" they say) and yet here you are requesting they update 27" iMacs in less than 8 months since the last release.

The Mac Pro NEEDS an update - the MacBook Air either needs an update or binning and the Mac Mini needs an update. I think the MacBook Pro's will be kept around when the new MacBook Pro is released as some people will find all USB-C a bit too "far" for them and many average users will continue to buy the older retina models they're more familiar with (at least for another 12 months)
 
I hope you're wrong. I think that day will be the day I will never buy an Apple product again. I couldn't stand a computer that doesn't let me access its file system directly, and would gate all application installations through Apple.
Apple wants complete control. They have this with iOS and I don't doubt that they want it on Mac's as well. Just look at the Sierra beta - pushing your files to the cloud; gatekeeper with no option to 'download from anywhere' - except the app store; and disk utility neutered.

I don't think it takes a lot to see where MacOS is heading. Yes, it's sad and will send a lot of people to Windoze and Linux. But not enough IMO to put a big enough dent in  profits to cause a change of course. That will only come if sales sink so badly that the company is in danger of going under. With the expansion of services and the solar power business, I don't see that happening. So cling to your Mac. It's a part of Apple history that I, for one, will sorely miss.
 
Timmy is spending Apple's brand value, customer loyalty and good will to make a gigantic pile of cash.

When Apple becomes a dried out husk that has less market share than Blackberry, he will retire, take his golden parachute while bragging he was the best CEO in the world -- just look at the huge pile of cash he left behind.

Someone else will be left to pick up the shattered pieces of Apple and sell them at a steep discount to Samsung and Microsoft.

It is really sad, and as a long time Apple fan, I feel horrible watching it, but drinking the koolaid and blindly defending Timmy as he slays the goose that laid the golden eggs is just making it worse.

Call him out, stop buying the garbage he releases in the hope the next version will be better. If the market speaks, the board may listen and fire Timmy before he finishes destroying everything left of Apple. Don't buy his overpriced adapters to overcome his defective by design products.
 
The problem people have with Apple these days is that, from the outside, it doesn't look like they're doing anything. It doesn't look like progress is being made or innovation is happening. It looks like Apple are on a slow down, or they're just waiting to announce something huge. It's a 50/50 we just don't know at this point.
 
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Timmy is spending Apple's brand value, customer loyalty and good will to make a gigantic pile of cash.

When Apple becomes a dried out husk that has less market share than Blackberry, he will retire, take his golden parachute while bragging he was the best CEO in the world -- just look at the huge pile of cash he left behind.

Someone else will be left to pick up the shattered pieces of Apple and sell them at a steep discount to Samsung and Microsoft.

It is really sad, and as a long time Apple fan, I feel horrible watching it, but drinking the koolaid and blindly defending Timmy as he slays the goose that laid the golden eggs is just making it worse.

Call him out, stop buying the garbage he releases in the hope the next version will be better. If the market speaks, the board may listen and fire Timmy before he finishes destroying everything left of Apple. Don't buy his overpriced adapters to overcome his defective by design products.
Nailed it!
 
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I was the first "Dumb A$$ / Hater" to post this snippet in the Mac Pro forum. Nice to see even MR is running it on the front page now. I wonder if MR will let it go all red when that inevitably happens - or day-since-update ratings will somehow be revised... Just make them all green/BUY NOW!!! Softballs...
The problem with this colour guide is that with a standard 1-year product cycle, that indicator is red for one month every year. If there have been one or two in-between-the-year updates over the product category life, this guide can be red for almost three months every year (iMac). Similarly, keeping an older product around as an entry-level, adds another red badge to that list. It works ok as a buying guide (as its name suggest) but less well as an indicator which product lines are overdue (note that there is a difference between due and overdue).

A better indicator for 'overdueness' would show green if the last release was less 11 months ago, grey if the last release was between 11 and 13 months ago, orange when the release was between 14 to 16 months ago and red if the last release was 17 or more months ago. Only the Mac Pro and Mac Mini would be red, the MBP and MBA would be orange, the iPhone would be about to turn grey from green, and the iMac and iPad would still be green as would be the MB One.
 
I don't think the iMac line should be listed as "don't buy" - how often do want updates? It was only updated in October - it has Skylake and Intel hasn't released anything in the same spec that is better than it - so what exact update do you think will happen?

This is the sort of stupidity that is killing Apple.

You don't buy a new computer every time one is released. But when you do buy a new computer, you want it to be modern. I am not going to replace my GTX 970 with a 1070, the 970 does everything I need. But there is no way I would would by a 970 today. By your logic, companies may as well keep selling 970's which are "good enough" because 1070's aren't worth the upgrade.

If you have a 2012 MBP, there is no real reason to upgrade it. But buying a 2012 CPU in 2016 would be stupid unless you get a steep discount (fat chance from Apple). Every other computer company in the world updates their machines with modern hardware as it comes out. They don't except anyone to upgrade to every version, but the people to are buying "today" are buying the latest.

For the same price as Haswell, I can have a Skylake which is 10% faster, 15% easier on the battery and 30% better at graphics. Certainly not an earthshattering improvement, but who in the world would by buy the old version at the same price?
 
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I've a house full of Apple products and no reason to upgrade any of them, that I can see. Starting to find reasons to replace them with non-Apple alternatives - especially on the desktop.

Apple should really be embarrassed over the current state of the Mac line. And going off this interview, Timmy knows it.

But never during those 18 years has the Power Mac or Mac Pro gone 963 days without an update...

If my Mac does eventually crock, then i'm looking for a PC.

Feeling the pain. I decided a little back on a $500 HP business desktop. I thought business would mean NO TRASHWARE but was wrong.
STEP 1 download a better browser

STEP 2 download Steam

STEP 3 run steam

STEP 4 realize from funky Steam ads that I had a virus PREINSTALLED on my machine

STEP 5 wish I had put the $500 toward a new Mac

STEP 6 check performance benchmarks on new Macs (thanks www.barefeats.com)

STEP 7 realize that even $1200 new Macs hardly outperform my 6 year old mac for what I do

STEP 8 realize the wasted $500 was better than a wasted $700

STEP 9 be glad I didn't get a Mac

STEP 10 feel guilty for feeling feeling glad

Tim Cook could use a lobotomy. After suffering through lack of product updates I may be better off with one too.
 
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All wear and tear on a single port....such innovation!
Whatever you do, some people will always be unhappy. Some people prefer a one-port solution for docking and others prefer a MagSafe (most of the latter probably because they don't do any bundled docking).
 



After recording its first quarterly sales decline since 2003 this year, the doom and gloom sentiment surrounding Apple has reemerged. Some critics believe that Apple is doing too many things at once, or wrongly placing its focus on areas like Apple Watch bands rather than its core product lineup.


The most vocal critics often point towards the state of Apple's current Mac lineup, which is beginning to stagnate. It has been 447 days since the last MacBook Pro release, while the MacBook Air has not been updated beyond a RAM bump in 518 days. Mac mini: 662 days. Mac Pro: 963 days.

Apple's stock also remains down over 13 percent from its 52-week high, and investors perhaps have at least some reason for concern. Rumors suggest, for example, that the next iPhone will be an incremental improvement over the iPhone 6s, with more significant changes not coming until 2017.

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In a new Fast Company interview alongside CEO Tim Cook, Apple services chief Eddy Cue acknowledged that technology companies are "only as good as the last thing" they did.Cook admitted that Apple can "sometimes fall short," but indirectly added that the "Apple is doomed" narrative has existed during his entire 18-year span at the company.Fortunately for Cook, he said he doesn't "read all the coverage on Apple that there is," and instead focuses on pushing the company into a future that is bigger and broader. "I want Apple to be here, you know, forever," he said.Earlier this year, Above Avalon analyst Neil Cybart said Apple is on track to spend a record $10 billion on research and development this year, up nearly 30 percent from 2015, and significantly more than the little over $3 billion per year it was spending on R&D just four years ago.

Cybart said the increased spending undoubtedly points towards development of the widely rumored Apple Car, suggesting that the company will pivot into the automobile industry. But if Cook's recent teaser about "great innovation in the pipeline" is any indication, Apple could have other plans in store too.

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Apple Maps and Public Beta Testing

One other interesting anecdote in the wide-ranging interview: Apple Maps is the reason why iOS public beta testing exists.Full-length interview: Playing The Long Game Inside Tim Cook's Apple

Article Link: Apple Says 'You're Only as Good as the Last Thing You Did' Amid Sales Slowdown


All the old Apple Executives don't seem to have a clue anymore. The only person perfectly fit to lead Apple is Craig Federighi.

When doing a presentation, Craig seems to be the only person who can both connect with the audience and present Apple's new products in a smart/funny/engaging way. Everyone else from Apple are like robots, vocalizing a scripted text from their 5,400 rpm hard drive: slow, unresponsive, out-dated, annoying clicking sound.

Especially Eddie cue, who doesn't seem to have a clue. And look at the size of his belly. Eddie, please give birth to a better product...

If I had a lot of Apple stock, I would want change.
 
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