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Is everyone on this message board over 30? You all sound old, crotchety & boring.

Just move on. It's just software. There's probably some kid out there right now making something on iMovie that you old gits couldn't even fathom.

I look forward to seeing your "cutting edge" YouTube videos of kids throwing up and lighting firecrackers in their bums. Do you have a link?

It's true what they say: youth IS wasted on the young.
 
I look forward to seeing your "cutting edge" YouTube videos of kids throwing up and lighting firecrackers in their bums. Do you have a link?

It's true what they say: youth IS wasted on the young.

I just finished cutting this on FCPX, took less than a week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDlUhayOYo

Probably moves a little fast for you though, might want to hold on to something before you watch it.
 
I just finished cutting this on FCPX, took less than a week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDlUhayOYo

Probably moves a little fast for you though, might want to hold on to something before you watch it.

I know editors that could have cut that on their Avids in under an day.
And that includes getting those DVE'd clips to pan in sync at 0:42.

Going back to what others have been saying, FCPX is not up to snuff for professional work. I mean no offense, but this is not an example of the kind of work the pros are talking about.

EDIT: AHA! that was a joke! Good one you got me!
 
boy, I was trying to cut a movie last month using FCPX and I have too say what a frustrating experience. While it does have some cool and interesting features, some basic simple things from FCP7 are gone and way harder to accomplish in the new version. After a whole week, I abandoned it and went back to FCP7 to finish my job.

Can you elaborate on what you were trying to do that was so frustrating, and what basic simple things you missed?
 
How did you animate the video squares across the screen?!?!?!?1 that blew my mind.

Thumbs up, would watch again. A+++++

Thank you! I just felt like I'd established a sense isolation and spiritual disaffection with the wave/duck sequence-- so to enhance the mise en scène I employed Walter Benjamin's notion of mimetic apprehension by including contrasting images of mirth and abject folly.

Made a cool $80 for this video.
 
Thank you! I just felt like I'd established a sense isolation and spiritual disaffection with the wave/duck sequence-- so to enhance the mise en scène I employed Walter Benjamin's notion of mimetic apprehension by including contrasting images of mirth and abject folly.

Made a cool $80 for this video.

Well, my opinion of FCPX and that it's completely non-traditional interface and lack of professional features is now changed.



FCPX. Save money on buying it, and put those savings into the tens of thousands of dollars it costs to migrate your TV station from tape to digital. I look forward to figuring out the meta data and storage options to link several thousand DV archive tapes to 10 FCPX workstations.
 
Had my hand on my nitro pills at 1:26...

"My God... those two PIPs are going to COLLIDE! Oh, whew... they must have been a few pixels off in Z space."

I bought FCP X the day it came out, but I haven't found the time to figure it out. I have friends with a lot of time on their hands that say they're getting the hang of it, so I might be able to cut through a lot of hassle using their tips later on. For now, it's like riding the Wild, Wacky Action Bike as opposed to a regular Green Machine / Big Wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVfzWpmyXXk
 
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Had my hand on my nitro pills at 1:26...

"My God... those two PIPs are going to COLLIDE! Oh, whew... they must have been a few pixels off in Z space."

It's funny you should mention that moment- the original cut had a very bloody & violent explosion effect right when the two PIP's collide. When we focus group tested this version, however, we found that 65% of women from 35-70 objected.
 
Had my hand on my nitro pills at 1:26...

"My God... those two PIPs are going to COLLIDE! Oh, whew... they must have been a few pixels off in Z space."

I bought FCP X the day it came out, but I haven't found the time to figure it out. I have friends with a lot of time on their hands that say they're getting the hang of it, so I might be able to cut through a lot of hassle using their tips later on. For now, it's like riding the Wild, Wacky Action Bike as opposed to a regular Green Machine / Big Wheel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVfzWpmyXXk

Best analogy I've seen yet for FCPX. (and also from one of the best SP episodes ever). FCPX looks amazingly cool, but actually using it is a pain in the ass.
 
Best analogy I've seen yet for FCPX. (and also from one of the best SP episodes ever). FCPX looks amazingly cool, but actually using it is a pain in the ass.

Well you know it's cool because of all those dark grays they use in the UI. Using it must be like basking in the presence of God because of how cool and gray the interface is!
 
From a different perspective...

I want to add that I got to learn FCPX so that I can instruct it at local college.
I've been teaching FCP legacy there for almost 10 years.
Keep in mind these are night classes and only for (mostly) editors/hobbyists that needed to learn NLE at its basic form.
After my first course, the students all left feeling that there is some hope.
I did my best to show them transparency to other options (Avid and PP).
It was easier to do this with FCP legacy since they all share the same basic UI. Not so with FCPX but again I did my best.
To keep them all excited, I used 4K resolution clips shot with RED MX and exported from RCXPro to ProRes4444.
Of course the following days were a bit slow since the school runs FCPX on iMacs :p
After that, I went with HD version of the above clips.
Now this was with basic NLE editing in FCPX.
I covered all the fun options e.g. Color Board, Audition and even Motion templates (created in Motion).
So I can't share everyones grief over this release of FCPX.
I was told by the school that I had to learn it.
They had no choice to buy it cause they were in the middle of updating computers and at the time Apple refused to sell anymore copies of FCP.
They still have the legacy version in the new computers but the school opted to deliver FCPX.
I offered to teach Premiere Pro (all computers run CS5.5 MC) but they were adamant.
In the end I'm glad cause I got to force myself to learn this app with no intention of hating it ;)
 
Thank you! I just felt like I'd established a sense isolation and spiritual disaffection with the wave/duck sequence-- so to enhance the mise en scène I employed Walter Benjamin's notion of mimetic apprehension by including contrasting images of mirth and abject folly.

Made a cool $80 for this video.

I loved how vintage you went making the video look as it was shot with a panasonic vhs tape recorder from 1985.
 
Did your ability to keep using FC 6 or 7 end? Nobodies forcing you to upgrade.
I can't start using fcp7, since Apple doesn't sell the upgrade any more.
Lost few small jobs in the summer, but I'm still not paying what they ask in eBay...
FCP 6 & 7 and their inherent functionality will not be developed, that is as good as they get.
And how long did it take to fcp to get there and how much has happened last years?
Last small bumb for fcp was in 2009 (v7) and a little bigger in 2007 (v6).
Last major upgrade was v4.5 in 2004.

All these years there has been problems with qt messing the gamma and not having a true color managed app.
Otherwise I guess fcp offered most bang-for-a-buck in 2004-2009. Before that Avid ruled for 15 years and premiere was the budget alternative.
This has returned to be the situation and somehow they managed to do what Apple didn't want to do: change their apps to cocoa.

I think we can all agree that fcpx can't handle the most of wide variety needed for professional editing. Lack of hardware support, features and 3rd party plugins and backward compatibility & to other apps hasn't (at least yet) gone away.
And the industry didn't loose the need for these when fcpx was brought to market.
So at least for now, I think it is safe to say that fcpx is targeted to a different customers than fcs was.

And this is the main problem, I think and also shows why the topic of this "news" we are discussing here about, hits the sparks so easily.

When fcs3/fcp7 was just a small update, me and everybody else were hopinf for something big for the next thing. Maybe they have finally corrected the problems fcp has had for years, when re-writing it to 64-bit? Maybe even background rendering that some editing software already had in last millenium?
And then they dropped the bomb.
So if Apple had already decided in 2007 to drop fcs away and target fcp to different cusomer segment, should they have somehow told us about that?
Is shooting down false hopes good customer support?
If they kept writing 64-bit fcp, should they have told us, when they dropped the project?

FCP X will plug all its holes in time and become one of the first of next gen NLE's if Apple keeps working at it, which it seems like they will.

The biggest issue with FCP X wasn't FCP X itself, but the fact that Apple discontinued FCP 7 immediately, which they did not do with OS 9 to OS X transition.
I just can't come up any sany reason for immediate discontinuation.
That hasn't happened any time before.
Total lack of respect of your customers.

But to say that fcpx will have all (good/necessary/etc.) features of fcp in "some day", screams when this day will come?
Apple has best resources in the world for code writing and if it took them 4 years to get fcpx to the point where it's now, this thing will take years.
When they have resources, the only reason for not doing it is lack of motivation. They didn't want to do it then, they don't want ro do it now and they will not do it in the future.
When fcpx will have it's first birthday and there has not been major update, I'll move on. Most of us has already done that. I'm using over 4 year old software now and it won't get any better or react to other development in technology and content making.

Avid execs can enjoy their bonuses this year, but it is a temporary bump.
Hmm, if Apple develops fcpx with the same speed than fcp/fcs before it will be about 2015 when fcpx can be considered fully professional software.
Then if the price is right, it can rule again. But which is more temporary: avid or fcp? Avid ruled years 1990-2004 and maybe about 2009-2015...

Apple started selling FCP 7 again, on September the 1st.
They are not selling an upgrade to me. Buying a full license again for almost completely over 5 years old software, when I could switch to avid for less than that, is pretty ridiculous.

FCP server.. gone, FCP7 gone, training for these products at huge expense, wasted.
Dumping FCPserver is the clearest signal of changing the target of customers. Somehow this has been quietly forgotten in these discussions here in MR also.
The industry has lost its confidence on Apple and when we are talking about backend server systems, they just can't get it back.

Sadly there might never be a situation in the editing world again where you could buy hardware, os and software from the same company.
 
You are right. It is ironic that people who work in the cutting edge of computing are the most resistant to change. If Apple just did what video editors said they wanted, we would never have Final Cut Pro to begin with and everyone would still be using Avid, Premiere or Media 100 systems. Final Cut Pro X is the next step in video content creation and the work of talented newcomers on it will put to shame the work of many professionals set in their ways.

The example of kiddies playing with sample loops (and the game RockBand before that with their little guitar shaped JOYSTICK) thinking their rock star gods is a perfect example of how KIDS today don't have a flipping clue what it takes to make actual PROFESSIONAL PRODUCT. Some two-bit video of a kid smacking his butt on YouTube is not going to be playing in cinemas any time soon guy, but that is exactly all you are ever going to get from a kid playing with his iPad. :rolleyes:

Sadly, you may have a point for the music industry. Gauging by what the industry is pushing, apparently you don't need to know how to sing (crappy auto-tune synthetic correction that sounds like crap can and will be used to force your voice in tune even if it sounds ridiculously artificial in the process), you don't need to know how to play any actual instruments (they will just sample real music loops from the past and add a crap load of heavy bass drums) or be able to write music (they'll connect the samples and loops together and call it 'music'). All you need to do is look good half naked for the camera. Models pretending to be musicians. Modern day Milli-Vanilli (only auto-tuned instead of just lip-synced) is all we get now. And they wonder why music sales have plummeted over the past decade.

Fortunately, this is where products from Apple like Logic Pro can help since bands can easily produce their own records relatively cheaply and with high quality (if done right) and bypass the record industry altogether and sell their stuff online directly using the Net for both word of mouth and direct marketing. That still doesn't mean you can make quality music on an iPhone. We NEED the pro-line of products from Apple to continue. If Apple isn't going to continue it, then they should sell Logic Pro and Logic Studio (the Pro version) to a company that WILL keep updating them and maybe even offer them on Windows (since Apple doesn't seem to want to provide actual powerful hardware anymore).

When it comes to anything discussed on a forum, Bullet Tooth Tony from Snatch said it best:

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

When you have to result to calling people names, you've demonstrated that you have lost the argument, IMO. I will not bother reading any of your posts in the future.
 
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