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Apple Scrapped Completed 64-Bit Final Cut Pro 8 to Build Final Cut Pro X?

YOU DIDNT WASTE MONEY ON iMovie Pro right!?

I have been using FCP for many years. Today on a shoot someone asked if I actually bought FCPX and called it "iMovie Pro..."

When I opened FCPX I was lost for a few hours. I didn't understand where all of the key frames or audio markers went. A few YouTube videos later I realized they are all still there. In fact they are even easier and more intuitive than before. I admit I didn't like the program at first, it was frustrating that I didn't know how to use a program I've been using for many years. That being said, the more shortcuts I learn and the more I use the program the more I love it.


Give it a go, learn all that is new, by the time you do more updates will be out.
 
I tried iMovie after editing on FCPX. FCPX is nothing like iMovie. It might look like it, but iMovie essentially has nothing. In a 99cent store, iMovie would be considered a knockoff to FCPX, take it home, try it on, and it's not all there.

OTOH, FCPX is not FCP7. It might not ever be FCP7 as we know it.
 
wizard said:
Seriously you have people calling themselves professionals posting here and there claiming how bad FCP X is for them in a most unprofessional manner. In any other industry the mark of a professional is getting a tool to do what you want. It really doesn't matter what industry you are in, success depends upon making the tools of that industry work for you.

As to what FCP users wanted, giving them that would have caused stagnation in software development. That opens Apple up to more nimble competition from others. The reality is Apple would lose customers either way. In any event the so called professionals that claim FCP X isn't for professional use really do look stupid or foolish.
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I agree 100% here with this what I am quoting.
I am so not a editing professionaL But from what I have used of the app and what i have heard from local editing professionals, they are very happy with the software. For one I'm so glad they re-wrote the entire code for it. Less pointless legacy code (like windows OS has) to put up with.

In any light a smart professional would never say X editing software is bad. Cause even bad news is advertising. (All over this website for example). They would just say their preferred editing software is the best and urge others to get it.

For my needs iMovie does all I need to do. But if ever I needed to upgrade I'd only go FCPX. Not cause of the price. Simply cause I believe it's the best out there.

I'm glad we have FCPX and not FCP8. Cause legacy code can really bloat up software. Something we can all do without.
 
Skylerbaird said:
I have been using FCP for many years. Today on a shoot someone asked if I actually bought FCPX and called it "iMovie Pro..."

When I opened FCPX I was lost for a few hours. I didn't understand where all of the key frames or audio markers went. A few YouTube videos later I realized they are all still there. In fact they are even easier and more intuitive than before. I admit I didn't like the program at first, it was frustrating that I didn't know how to use a program I've been using for many years. That being said, the more shortcuts I learn and the more I use the program the more I love it.


Give it a go, learn all that is new, by the time you do more updates will be out.
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I don't think you know what intuitive means.
 
RhymeAnimal said:
Is everyone on this message board over 30? You all sound old, crotchety & boring.

Just move on. It's just software. There's probably some kid out there right now making something on iMovie that you old gits couldn't even fathom.
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You are right. It is ironic that people who work in the cutting edge of computing are the most resistant to change. If Apple just did what video editors said they wanted, we would never have Final Cut Pro to begin with and everyone would still be using Avid, Premiere or Media 100 systems. Final Cut Pro X is the next step in video content creation and the work of talented newcomers on it will put to shame the work of many professionals set in their ways.
 
Just calm down people! :rolleyes:

My studio is making the move right now to FCP X and it is going great so far! Yes, Apple mishandled the launch of FCP X and should have had the handful of features pros wanted from the get go. But they have already added back most of them and will add the remaining couple in the next few months. In 1-2 years with new features built on an awesome new foundation people will be wondering how they lived without FCP X! :cool:
 
slrandall said:
Probably ended up begin a good choice, seeing as how once the amateurs got over themselves and let it go, professionals loved the new FCPX. Even the biggest critics are just upset about the missing features, but still think it's "genius" and "groundbreaking". [The quotes are taken from reviewers on the App Store.]



My guess is that you haven't used and don't know anyone that has. But no, good work. Trash years of effort because you've read that not everyone likes everything about it. Do you even understand how many great new things are included in FCPX? It was completely re-written to a more modern and optimized framework. It's lightning fast and extremely intuitive. Of course it'll be incomplete, and sure, they should've handled the transition better. But features are coming back, and professionals love it.
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I won't take your whole thing apart b/c you are clearing living the apple distortion field. The one thing I need to point out is that many, many pros left and are on premiere and even something as dreadful as windows
 
dkdavis said:
Like Walter Murch said about Final Cut Pro X: "What is the 'pro' part?"

Maybe Final Cut Pro X is fine for kids creating skateboard videos for uploading to YouTube, but for us professionals who work creating TV shows and movies, it just isn't usuable.

I hope something gets fixed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8Kdm32btg&feature=player_embedded#!
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I'm sure that television editors used to linear systems belittled the work of those who used the early non-linear systems too. Yes, it sucks getting old and seeing the tools we are so used to get replaced but that is the march of technology and no-one is going to wait for you to catch up. How much effort, if any, did you put into learning how to use FCP-X? Surely if kids on skateboards can use it, then so can you.
 
Sol said:
I'm sure that television editors used to linear systems belittled the work of those who used the early non-linear systems too. Yes, it sucks getting old and seeing the tools we are so used to get replaced but that is the march of technology and no-one is going to wait for you to catch up. How much effort, if any, did you put into learning how to use FCP-X? Surely if kids on skateboards can use it, then so can you.
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ahhh finally a voice of reason. I love that Apple abandoned this geriatic crew.

meanwhile, all across the world, young people are learning how to cut on FCPX faster, more efficiently, and more creatively than these bloated, doctrinaire bores.
 
Sol said:
I'm sure that television editors used to linear systems belittled the work of those who used the early non-linear systems too. Yes, it sucks getting old and seeing the tools we are so used to get replaced but that is the march of technology and no-one is going to wait for you to catch up. How much effort, if any, did you put into learning how to use FCP-X? Surely if kids on skateboards can use it, then so can you.
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I have used FCP X - I own it and I do know it.

However, I can NOT use it on the movie I'm currently editing. It lacks too many features I need for handling meta-data and outputting critical information used by the other professionals I work with - audio post, VisFX and DI shops, on and on. Hopefully something happens and FCP X can be made to work, however I am to busy working and am not able to write my own plug-ins for it. Oh, and I have prided myself on staying on top emerging technologies for the past 25 years - from CMX systems to Montage and Editflex systems, to early Avids, Lightworks, D-vision, etc. I have worked with them all, I am not a luddite. I guess I could always go back to Avid if things don't work out with FCP X, maybe keep it for my home movies.
 
What this thread shows is that very little has changed since FCP X came out. Most professionals still hate it, and most of the editors that like it say they aren't professionals. By now, the momentum should have swung back in favor of Final Cut, but that didn't happen. There were a lot of people saying that it would all be fixed and amazing in X months, and the same few people are still saying the same thing today. It's like Sausage Charlie in "Snatch" who says, "Five minutes, Turkish." "Hang on, it was two minutes five minutes ago!" This is way too late to keep saying it will be all better soon.
 
wonderspark said:
What this thread shows is that very little has changed since FCP X came out. Most professionals still hate it, and most of the editors that like it say they aren't professionals. By now, the momentum should have swung back in favor of Final Cut, but that didn't happen. There were a lot of people saying that it would all be fixed and amazing in X months, and the same few people are still saying the same thing today. It's like Sausage Charlie in "Snatch" who says, "Five minutes, Turkish." "Hang on, it was two minutes five minutes ago!" This is way too late to keep saying it will be all better soon.
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When it comes to anything discussed on a forum, Bullet Tooth Tony from Snatch said it best:

"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
 
Sol said:
It is ironic that people who work in the cutting edge of computing are the most resistant to change.
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Being resistant to regression would be more accurate.

Sol said:
Final Cut Pro X is the next step in video content creation and the work of talented newcomers on it will put to shame the work of many professionals set in their ways.
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Where are all these "watch my single copy of FCPX put all your interoperable systems and workflows to shame" videos? Can you provide some of us old timers some ancient hyperlinks so we can actually see what all the cool "did it in my spare time" kids are talking about?
 
daxomni said:
Being resistant to regression would be more accurate.


Where are all these "watch my single copy of FCPX put all your interoperable systems and workflows to shame" videos? Can you provide some of us old timers some ancient hyperlinks so we can actually see what all the cool "did it in my spare time" kids are talking about?
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That is hardly a fair request. We are talking about the next generation of editors, people who learn to edit on Final Cut Pro X with no prior knowledge of legacy FCP, Avid and Premiere. I'd say wait a few years and you will see their incredible videos everywhere you look.

For now, how can we expect to see great works done on FCP-X if it is barely a 1.0 release and there is more misinformation than useful information about it on forums like this one? Look at the current version as the foundation of the software we will be editing on in the next decade or so. You and everyone who says how much better Premiere and Avid are will be eating your words when those programmes change into something closer to FCP-X.
 
Sol said:
I'm sure that television editors used to linear systems belittled the work of those who used the early non-linear systems too. Yes, it sucks getting old and seeing the tools we are so used to get replaced but that is the march of technology and no-one is going to wait for you to catch up. How much effort, if any, did you put into learning how to use FCP-X? Surely if kids on skateboards can use it, then so can you.
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RhymeAnimal said:
ahhh finally a voice of reason. I love that Apple abandoned this geriatic crew.

meanwhile, all across the world, young people are learning how to cut on FCPX faster, more efficiently, and more creatively than these bloated, doctrinaire bores.
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LOL - both of you have missed the point that it's not really a question of the new UI. It's that workflows and features required by many editors are not available anymore.

So yes - I can do a simulated "multicamera" edit on FCPX, for example. But it definitely isn't as productive or efficient.

I have no problem with new software - growing and adapting. What I, and others have issues with is that Apple removed the ability to do many things that are staples of editing.
 
Sol said:
That is hardly a fair request. We are talking about the next generation of editors, people who learn to edit on Final Cut Pro X with no prior knowledge of legacy FCP, Avid and Premiere. I'd say wait a few years and you will see their incredible videos everywhere you look.
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People can edit great videos on FCPX now. If you have material and you have talent and dedication, you can do great things on it. There's no reason to wait a year or two.

They won't be able to collaborate with other vendors like sound, etc but you can make a great video.

I really don't understand your young versus old argument. It seems in your eyes, the only people who are open to X are young hip editors who are so opened minded that they will gladly embrace FCPX while summarily dismissing Avid or Premeire for not being made by Apple. Those are old man tools.

Meanwhile, the professionals who can't use Final Cut X because it can't talk to other systems WANT a new version of the software that does what they need.

I edit for a living. I learned on non-linear and Avid before there was a Final Cut. I learned Final Cut and stopped using Avid because it was the most appropriate tool for the job. Now I'll be using Avid and FCP7 side by side. If FCPX catches up and is a viable option, I'll see how it fits in. I'm hoping to set up Resolve alongside Avid. That's newer software that I am not resistant to BECAUSE IT WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH MY EDITING PLATFORMS.

The only difference between the young and old in this argument is the youngsters are producing for themselves and have different needs than the older professionals who can not work without the features missing from FCPX.

But ironically, it's the young kids with their undying devotion to Apple that will dismiss Avid as a waste of time that will accuse the older generation of being close minded to change.
 
Wow. If people are being called old for using FCP6/7 then I must be a fossilized fossil.

I still use Premiere for IRIX on my SGI Octane 2 workstation.
 
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wonderspark said:
What this thread shows is that very little has changed since FCP X came out. Most professionals still hate it, and most of the editors that like it say they aren't professionals. By now, the momentum should have swung back in favor of Final Cut, but that didn't happen. There were a lot of people saying that it would all be fixed and amazing in X months, and the same few people are still saying the same thing today. It's like Sausage Charlie in "Snatch" who says, "Five minutes, Turkish." "Hang on, it was two minutes five minutes ago!" This is way too late to keep saying it will be all better soon.
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The professionals that just need to get stuff done have already moved on to Avid or something else. The tools to do what they need *are* out there.

I just can't imagine willingly suffering through what Apple dishes out in the hopes they'll fix it at some point in the future. People who do that do not value their time enough.
 
RhymeAnimal said:
Is everyone on this message board over 30? You all sound old, crotchety & boring.

Just move on. It's just software. There's probably some kid out there right now making something on iMovie that you old gits couldn't even fathom.
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Hey! Welcome to the club! Apparently you're too busy reading this board and adding to the crotchety messages to be the 'kid' out there making something on iMovie. LOL!! Looks like you're in good company! :p
 
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