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Apple Seeds Build 12D74 of OS X Beta 10.8.3 to Developers
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They probably either:
1. Want this to be the last release before 10.9 so they are working out all the bugs.
2. They don't want to release something half-assed anymore.
3. They want the media to see how much effort they are putting into fixing no-known issues so there's no more bad publicity.
4. Adding a new feature or improving something. Maybe instead of having to get some feature like Siri in 10.9, they are making it work with 10.8 users as well, so as to not feel forced to upgrade to a major OS.
5. A combination of the above.
All I know is after taking this long, the first bug that appears will make it look like all this waiting was worthless. To me, I rather have smaller one-fixes then a update that fixes it all and having to wait longer.
1. Want this to be the last release before 10.9 so they are working out all the bugs.
2. They don't want to release something half-assed anymore.
3. They want the media to see how much effort they are putting into fixing no-known issues so there's no more bad publicity.
4. Adding a new feature or improving something. Maybe instead of having to get some feature like Siri in 10.9, they are making it work with 10.8 users as well, so as to not feel forced to upgrade to a major OS.
5. A combination of the above.
All I know is after taking this long, the first bug that appears will make it look like all this waiting was worthless. To me, I rather have smaller one-fixes then a update that fixes it all and having to wait longer.
Yes.
I don't care if you make the comments, I simply acknowledge that you are very vocal in complaining about Lion and Mountain Lion and take it into consideration when replaying to your posts.
If by provoked you mean that you encounter an opposing viewpoint, then this seems accurate.
Rudely dismissing and defensive...Hmm, our conversation started out by me pointing out some of your contradictory expectations, and then your replies started with:
Pretty defensive huh? But that's cool, I ignored it and replied anyway. Your next reply:
I'm all for debate, and don't really mind it getting heated. But let's not play the victim ok?
They do have little merit, but I'm not over-dramatizing them.
Again, don't play a victim.
I'm publicly telling you that your argument is weak. If that hurts your feelings, you may not want to be in a discussion.
OSX kinda peaked at Snow Leopard 10.6.8. My old late 2007 Macbook is still on it and boots up and shuts down faster than my late 2011 MBP with 10.8.2. 
Apple could at least provide a fix for the HDMI issues affecting the Intel 4000 graphics. Many Mac mini users don't have too many options without spending unnecessary money for dongles and band aids.
Luckily, I still had an old MDP to HDMI adapter I bought back when I had my unibody MacBook.
Luckily, I still had an old MDP to HDMI adapter I bought back when I had my unibody MacBook.
You fail to mention the numerous times you commented rudely to me and others outside of this thread. Again, misleading. I have in the past 2 years made comments in various threads where they are applicable to the discussion regarding many disappoints in Craig Federighi's post Serlet tenure as V.P. of Software Engineering at Apple as his leadership seems to be the root of many issues plaguing what was otherwise a solid OS X. I state "seems" as my friends in Cupertino and many developers/engineers agree that he has been pivotal in the direction OS X has taken since Serlet officially parted in 2009 and announcing it in 2011 before Lion's release, to which Mr. Federighi has been heading the department. Further, there was no appointed V.P. of Software Engineering for months in 2011-12 until Federighi was finally placed on the board and announced.
Simply googling his name turns up instant threads on this matter, many on MacRumors (and many in which I am not a part of):
MacRumors:
Apple is getting sloppy and crappy lately
Craig Federighi Succeeding Bertrand Serlet as Apple's Chief of Mac Software
If you want proof backing up Serlet's departure and Federighi's head of OS X engineering, a very solid (and unbiased) article from CNET:
Who is Apple's new Mac guy?
I don't have the time to google and paste links to all the threads on the many disappointments regarding Lion and Mountain Lion since Federighi took helm, however I am far from the most vocal individual on MacRumors or the web regarding my love for 10.6 and my displeasure in 10.7 and 10.8. I will admit 10.8 is a huge improvement over 10.7. Various third party app's such as Total Spaces (adding 10.5/6 "Spaces" into 10.7/8), and XtraFinder as well as improvements in memory management and network protocols, have made 10.8 fairly stable and useable for myself and many others. Aside from the WiFi issues many are experiencing, I agree that 10.8 is not terrible. However, it is not "great" (I'm looking at you "Mission Control"
).I did not have the time in reading the play-by-play response to every sentence I wrote, so I will leave it at this. We will agree to disagree. I only ask that you think a bit before you respond to others as sometimes you may not realize that your tone and comments are, indeed, harsh. It has nothing to do with not agreeing with you, in fact I concede and have conceded points on this thread without resorting to dismissing someone's opinion and experiences as lacking merit. Tact goes a long way, and you catch more flies with honey. Just a few points to consider.
It's a beautiful Monday morning in Boston, hope everyone is fairing well.
PS just read the comments on this thread not by me, I'm not the only individual
OSX kinda peaked at Snow Leopard 10.6.8. My old late 2007 Macbook is still on it and boots up and shuts down faster than my late 2011 MBP with 10.8.2.
A point I mentioned earlier, to the t, and this is very common. In engineering systems, it should not be necessary to crank up hardware specs so drastically. Certainly hardware needs to improve and will not last forever, yet OS X never pushed the boundaries of needing such leaps in specs. This was an amusing joke Jobs made many times regarding Windows Vista and 7 during OS X releases, as both required bumps in hardware that OS X 10.x releases had not in the past. One of many reasons so many love(d) OS X, systems lasted longer than others (generally), but yes, I agree, with RAM being so inexpensive, it shouldn't pose an issue. It's the graphics and drivers/kexts that Apple needs to seriously examine, especially with retina systems being deployed.
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What?!!! ANOTHER beta? That's exactly what I DID NOT WANT to happen. This has to be the LAST beta before public release. Maybe I could afford to wait one more week, but I CANNOT WAIT two more weeks.
I'm trying to be as patient as I can, but I think that Apple is taking TOO long. They better have a good reason for it, such as bug fixing.
I'm with you all the way. I've been waiting point releases after point releases since 10.7.0... Installing Lion was the second worst decision I could've made, as it caused me endless grief because of all the bugs. Lion addressed all my issues by 10.7.4, but shortly after, I made the worst decision so far and upgraded to Mountain Lion on day one: I've been suffering graphic glitches, crashes, slowness, and so on, and I'm waiting for the update that will take the issues away.
I understand other Mac users may have no problems, and that's ok. But I get really annoyed when they start attacking people with real problems like me. Apparently, Macs and OS X are perfect and anyone saying they have issues are Microsoft trolls looking to provoke others and start a war or something.
Anyway, I'm there with you, waiting for 10.8.3 and hoping my patience doesn't run out just yet.
For what it's worth, 10.8.3 is extremely stable. As in, awesome stable. Unfortunately, graphics still suck, and boot and shutdown times still suck as well. Maybe next time.
Not in my experience, there was a ton of hate simply because performance was so much worse than 10.6. If someone is running happily on 10.6 I still recommend they stay on it unless they absolutely have to.
Apple started work on 10.9 a long time ago.
Are Safari and Web Process still sucking up resources? I have 4 tabs open for different forums, and between the two they're sucking up over 1GB of RAM. I feel really sorry for anyone who has one of the new Macs and can't upgrade the RAM.
Has any one experienced any improvement in the long standing Logic Pro lag issue with any of these betas? Apple did mention about issues with Logic Pro in a previous beta release. It's been lingering since Lion but more and more people are complaining about it now since 10.8.2.
I agree completely. Been waiting months on this. Could this not have been a mini release?
It's really the only issue I've had with my Mini is the HDMI monitor I use as the second display.
I don't usually post here much, but I've been reading the posts ever since 10.8.3 betas started to read on feedback from people who are testing it.
Lion for me was awful, the performance was really bad. I upgrade with a clean install right on the first couple of days. Performance did become better and my iMac actually runs pretty fine considering it's a machine with almost 5 years, although sometimes I wish it was a bit faster, like it was o Snow Leopard.
But my MacBook Pro is a different story...while things are better since Mountain Lion, I feel that a 2009 15" MBP with 8Gb RAM should run quite a LOT faster than it runs now. This is my work horse and it was definitely faster with Snow Leopard in several aspects. Not to mention that my dedicated graphics card has been crashing ever since 10.8.2 which leads me to believe they messed up something with the graphics drivers. It just crashes randomly (scrolling pages on Chrome, starting a call on Skype and using swipe between spaces).
The Apple Hardware test showed no problems and I even made a clean install with 10.8.2 (so clean install and no non-apple kexts loaded) but it still crashes. Sometimes it's Kernel Panic City here so I resorted to using gfxCardStatus until 10.8.3 comes out. I'm really hungry for this update and I understand it will take the time it has to take to come out, but the wait is killing me x)
Regarding the Snow Leopard vs Mountain Lion debate, while ML has been quite better than Lion, I think in some things SN performed better, at least for me. I love a lot of the features in ML (some, not so much), but would like to see them focus in performance a bit this time. I would love to see a 10.9 focused on performance. Sorry for long post...
Lion for me was awful, the performance was really bad. I upgrade with a clean install right on the first couple of days. Performance did become better and my iMac actually runs pretty fine considering it's a machine with almost 5 years, although sometimes I wish it was a bit faster, like it was o Snow Leopard.
But my MacBook Pro is a different story...while things are better since Mountain Lion, I feel that a 2009 15" MBP with 8Gb RAM should run quite a LOT faster than it runs now. This is my work horse and it was definitely faster with Snow Leopard in several aspects. Not to mention that my dedicated graphics card has been crashing ever since 10.8.2 which leads me to believe they messed up something with the graphics drivers. It just crashes randomly (scrolling pages on Chrome, starting a call on Skype and using swipe between spaces).
The Apple Hardware test showed no problems and I even made a clean install with 10.8.2 (so clean install and no non-apple kexts loaded) but it still crashes. Sometimes it's Kernel Panic City here so I resorted to using gfxCardStatus until 10.8.3 comes out. I'm really hungry for this update and I understand it will take the time it has to take to come out, but the wait is killing me x)
Regarding the Snow Leopard vs Mountain Lion debate, while ML has been quite better than Lion, I think in some things SN performed better, at least for me. I love a lot of the features in ML (some, not so much), but would like to see them focus in performance a bit this time. I would love to see a 10.9 focused on performance. Sorry for long post...
It is ONLY a leadership problem, and it is very obvious. A leader has to set and enforce priorities. He has to draw a cutoff line between "bugs to fix asap" and "bugs to fix when we have time". This is a difficult task, but that's why leaders are being paid quite well. For an entire OS, there are hundreds if not thousands of bugs, from megabugs to buglets. It is completely incomprehensible why we have to wait months for fixes of the really important bugs (such as stuttering graphics on Retina books, massively reduced batterie life, sandboxing/spotlight problems, or a security issue such as the utterly ridiculous file: bug which could be hot-fixed in an hour), just because some people experience minor glitches such as changes of the wallpaper. That is clearly a leadership problem.
The release notes say it's fixed, I've heard some say it fixes it but I've seen one report of the issue with one of the earlier .3 betas. Hopefully in the latest it's fixed, at least it should happen less often.
Drumroll please...
Released today...or tomorrow...or...Thursday...or next week.
Anyone think today? I'll guess for something like the 8th week in a row now that it will be released this Wednesday.
Released today...or tomorrow...or...Thursday...or next week.
Anyone think today? I'll guess for something like the 8th week in a row now that it will be released this Wednesday.
