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Well, that is a poor excuse since a lot of their software problems end up being ridiculously obvious issues hours after a public release and not strange fringe cases found weeks or months later. Also Apple has a beta program set up months in advance that gets into the "public" users hands and yet does not identify many glaring release issues.

Apple also controls their own hardware and has a limited range of product variations to target their software on so when Android or Windows can release on a much wider set of hardware and has greater initial quality and performance then many recent Apple OS releases, it just speaks volumes to the actual level of quality of Apple's development processes.

Lastly a trillion dollar valued company should not have a "small" development team incapable of delivering better initial release quality, not for something a prominent as the software required for the hardware that made them a trillion dollar company. I don't think this comes down to incompetent developers, but I think obviously there is a culture of poor executive leadership and overall denial at Apple where they think they are still producing the kind of quality they were known for back when Steve Jobs used to chew the heads off his development team when the color of an icon didn't come out right.

Excusing Apple for the plethora of iOS and Mac OS release bugs is nonsense. The company wants more money for their products and so my expectations of initial quality is, and should be, far higher then the average software company. If Apple wants to sell $300 phones full of bugs then my expectations will match the value of the phone. But sell me a $1300 phone and it is quickly broken or crippled by the next iOS patch or major release is inexcusable.

I would agree ONCE it is released to the public. This is BETA software - that means that it's not done yet. The reason you have a BETA is to fix bugs -- If your not reporting bugs and you're in the BETA your part of the problem. Software development is a process and a few BETA cycles are part of that process..... Overall iOS 12 is Apple getting back to quality and bug fixing to improve performance, and not add as many new features. I agree that QC and overall quality been slipping the last few years (It appears that Apple does too with this version), but this BETA has been the most stable to date, as its mainly about getting bugs fixed.
 
Curious whether this is safe yet to install on a daily driver iPhone X? I'm looking forward to trying out the new parental controls this autumn. I'm thinking about setting up my iPad as a child's device and seeing how well everything works. If it seems good then I might consider buying my daughter an iPad as she will be starting school next year and I don't want her to get left behind when it comes to computing. But I also worry about the effects of too much screen time on her behavior. I'd like to try to teach her programming at a young age because I think as AI takes over a lot of jobs in the coming decades, people with programming experience will be high sought after in the job market. That is, if we're smart enough to not ever allow AI the ability to program themselves.
 
Curious whether this is safe yet to install on a daily driver iPhone X? I'm looking forward to trying out the new parental controls this autumn. I'm thinking about setting up my iPad as a child's device and seeing how well everything works...

I’ve installed all of the public iOS 12 betas on my daily driver (iPhone X) with no major issues. Just a few minor and infrequent glitches, nothing too annoying and nothing that makes me regret installing it.

That said, a few folks here have had major problems. There’s always that risk with beta software.

But we’re on beta 8 (or 7.1?) so the risks are likely to be minimal.
 
Well since they pulled the support for Multi Person FaceTime I hope they now devote their time fixing the next biggest feature of iOS 12, and that is screen time.

It is so buggy and easy to defeat, that I would be highly embarrassed for Apple if they released it like it is now.

Apple can do better than this.
I'd rather have them kill screen time and devote their attention to something actually useful.
 
Love this thread.

"No competent Apple programmers", go ahead and try that non-beta software. You chose this life.
"Can I use this on my daily device", probably not. Better safe than sorry unless you love complaining.
"Fringe cases", aka anecdotes. Not representative of the larger population.
"$1300 phone", wrong, but I'll sell you my X for $1300. Lightly used.
"Public beta" assumes that people are using the betas to actually find and file issues in the Feedback app, instead of showing their friends how cool the new Memoji are. It's a crap shoot.

Whoever you are, if you can't stop complaining, maybe you shouldn't be buying such crummy devices loaded with buggy software. Let your wallet do the talking.
 
Does Reminders finally have options for automatic sorting of items? Seems like Apple engineers didn't bother to test the application with more than one item in a list.
 
I have on mine 364,3MB
I agree with what he said...It's just crazy how broken every iOS every year during betas. You would think some things are broken, specially the new features, but every year it's core functions that are insanely bad and just a race to September. It's just a question of how poor the programming was for 9 months then fixing it the last 3 months.
 
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Totally unrelated yet annoying:

Here's that crap Mackeeper add in the Video again posted in this article:

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As for the beta, Apple quickly pulled the last one and released this beta very fast.
 
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Curious whether this is safe yet to install on a daily driver iPhone X? I'm looking forward to trying out the new parental controls this autumn. I'm thinking about setting up my iPad as a child's device and seeing how well everything works. If it seems good then I might consider buying my daughter an iPad as she will be starting school next year and I don't want her to get left behind when it comes to computing. But I also worry about the effects of too much screen time on her behavior. I'd like to try to teach her programming at a young age because I think as AI takes over a lot of jobs in the coming decades, people with programming experience will be high sought after in the job market. That is, if we're smart enough to not ever allow AI the ability to program themselves.

I run developer betas on my regular phone all the time.

If there are issues, I can always walk it back to a previous version.
 
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Well, that is a poor excuse since a lot of their software problems end up being ridiculously obvious issues hours after a public release and not strange fringe cases found weeks or months later. Also Apple has a beta program set up months in advance that gets into the "public" users hands and yet does not identify many glaring release issues.

Apple also controls their own hardware and has a limited range of product variations to target their software on so when Android or Windows can release on a much wider set of hardware and has greater initial quality and performance then many recent Apple OS releases, it just speaks volumes to the actual level of quality of Apple's development processes.

Lastly a trillion dollar valued company should not have a "small" development team incapable of delivering better initial release quality, not for something a prominent as the software required for the hardware that made them a trillion dollar company. I don't think this comes down to incompetent developers, but I think obviously there is a culture of poor executive leadership and overall denial at Apple where they think they are still producing the kind of quality they were known for back when Steve Jobs used to chew the heads off his development team when the color of an icon didn't come out right.

Excusing Apple for the plethora of iOS and Mac OS release bugs is nonsense. The company wants more money for their products and so my expectations of initial quality is, and should be, far higher then the average software company. If Apple wants to sell $300 phones full of bugs then my expectations will match the value of the phone. But sell me a $1300 phone and it is quickly broken or crippled by the next iOS patch or major release is inexcusable.

I can tell you’ve never been part of a software development team producing complex software with a scope similar to that of a mobile OS.
 
It doesn't surprise me that they are delaying a feature, yet again. That's what they've become good at. Honestly, I don't want a car from Apple. I want the Apple from a few years ago that was solid on all of their products, not mediocre on everything while they add more. I'm sure Apple would have the ability to make everything solid, even while going into new products, but I don't know why they don't. They certainly have the money to. I do like iOS 12, though.
 
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Curious whether this is safe yet to install on a daily driver iPhone X? s.

This is asked EVERY SINGLE BETA! Yawn
Answer is NO, don’t run beta on a main device if you don’t want to deal with issues, poor battery life, apps not working, slow performance, etc!


You asking the question in itself is a sign that the "beta process" may not be for you....o_O
 
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