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Don't forget that part of Snow Leopard's elegance was in focusing on a single architecture--i.e, dumping PowerPC.

We are some ways off from being ready to say goodbye to Intel. :)
This is true. Kinda expecting a Snow Leopard clean up for the first AS only macOS release. But I think that will be macOS 15 at the earliest.
 
I was thinking about this while working on something. Part of the issue is, Apple is unbelievably big today and when get that big, its hard to push through things. As much as Tim Cook wants to give the impression they run like tiny little startups, its probably very far from the truth. Also, Tim is very hands off, he just looks at the numbers on Monday morning and probably spend the rest of his work browsing random sites on his iPad. A big hole too is Steve Jobs is not there to micromanage it like before. I wish Steve had picked out some lieutenant to take on that role of the micro-manager for the different groups. But the fear of the turtle neck standing outside your office is not there anymore.
If Tim was using an iPad or macOS he would notice a few bugs existing for a decade probably.. to miss issues like iCloud not syncing or macOS not unlocking with Apple Watch or allowing root privileges without typing a password, I think they must be using different devices, otherwise I really don’t understand it.
 
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I would love this, as I think most Apple enthusiasts would. We don't need more bells and whistles, we need the ones we have to be as rock-solid as the hardware has become, and the software used to be.

I think the only reason this won't happen is that shareholders, and the overall market press, would freak out and claim doom and gloom. There is very little patience in the arena of consumer tech investing, and Apple is beholden to it's investors.

That said, those of us who have been using Apple gizmos for decades, and remember the Snow Leopard days, would celebrate and shout from the nerdy rooftops. Further, I'd bet Apple devs would welcome the time to polish their work even more!

I would adore being wrong here (my wife just perked up her ears, lol), but I doubt a year of pure polish is in our future...
Except one bell and whistle. Widgets on the desktop and/or on launchpad (less optimal). I think it could be interesting.
 
Apple should consider taking a gap year on software releases, especially for macOS. Its time for a Snow Leopard release.
Unless you buy new hardware you don’t need to upgrade. I am still using Mojave since there is nothing in the newer OSes that interest me. I have one program that I rarely use that requires a newer OS which I run in a virtual machine.
 
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I would love this, as I think most Apple enthusiasts would. We don't need more bells and whistles, we need the ones we have to be as rock-solid as the hardware has become, and the software used to be.

I think the only reason this won't happen is that shareholders, and the overall market press, would freak out and claim doom and gloom. There is very little patience in the arena of consumer tech investing, and Apple is beholden to it's investors.

That said, those of us who have been using Apple gizmos for decades, and remember the Snow Leopard days, would celebrate and shout from the nerdy rooftops. Further, I'd bet Apple devs would welcome the time to polish their work even more!

I would adore being wrong here (my wife just perked up her ears, lol), but I doubt a year of pure polish is in our future...
They could do so much more with a 'tick tock' approach. Mac OS one year, iOS the next. This gives apple two years to really nail the OS. I remember the two year wait between Tiger and Leopard, and when it came out it was brilliant. It seems as tho as soon as Apple stabilise software with .1 releases, they're back into the next beta.
 
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They could do so much more with a 'tick tock' approach. Mac OS one year, iOS the next. This gives apple two years to really nail the OS. I remember the two year wait between Tiger and Leopard, and when it came out it was brilliant. It seems as tho as soon as Apple stabilise software with .1 releases, they're back into the next beta.
see Are one year release cycles too short for iOS and macOS?

"Apple have come under criticism that the annual update cadence is too fast, and robs users with a preference for more robust OS behaviour of the ‘more stable’ release on which to rest for 2 years before taking the plunge into a new version. Indeed in those first few years of annual updates, it was common for more experienced Mac users to seek advice from websites that would spring up detailing the progressing compatibility of a wide range of 3rd-party software with each new MacOS release.

However I think the lived reality for the vast majority of Mac users is that the last several MacOS annual releases have been fairly uneventful in terms of 3rd-party app incompatibility issues, and as we know, Apple have been playing more and more to their ‘basic consumer’ market, and much less to their professional & geek user market.

The reality is that MacOS doesn’t have the physical challenges and risks of iPhone/iPad hardware development and manufacturing to mitigate via tick-tock cadence, so each annual update seems to effectively bite off as much as they can chew, no more or no less, and with no expectation from users that they should be “getting what they paid for” now that every annual MacOS upgrade is free."
 
I would love this, as I think most Apple enthusiasts would. We don't need more bells and whistles, we need the ones we have to be as rock-solid as the hardware has become, and the software used to be.

I think the only reason this won't happen is that shareholders, and the overall market press, would freak out and claim doom and gloom. There is very little patience in the arena of consumer tech investing, and Apple is beholden to it's investors.

That said, those of us who have been using Apple gizmos for decades, and remember the Snow Leopard days, would celebrate and shout from the nerdy rooftops. Further, I'd bet Apple devs would welcome the time to polish their work even more!

I would adore being wrong here (my wife just perked up her ears, lol), but I doubt a year of pure polish is in our future...
I'm not saying the OS doesn't have its bugs, but what bugs are materially interrupting workflows? What outcome are these causing? Lost time to work? Lost clientele?
 
Well, it worked for 14 years. Has anything life changing come out of Apple since 2011?
The Apple Watch hasn’t just been life-changing for several, it’s been life-saving as well.
Apple silicon has been probably the biggest leap for the Mac since those first G3 iMacs. Even the Intel transition wasn’t as impactful.
AirPods were the product that finally took Bluetooth headphones from being a geeky oddity to something you see everywhere every day, just like iPods did with mp3 players.
 
Unless you buy new hardware you don’t need to upgrade. I am still using Mojave since there is nothing in the newer OSes that interest me. I have one program that I rarely use that requires a newer OS which I run in a virtual machine.
Given that Apple hasn’t released a security update for Mojave in over 14 months, this is absolutely not advisable.
You should *at least* be on Catalina since that one still gets security updates… For now.
But please don’t recommend other people use outdated possibly not secure software on their main machines.
 
Apple silicon has been probably the biggest leap for the Mac since those first G3 iMacs. Even the Intel transition wasn’t as impactful.
I completely disagree. I'd say the Intel transition was significant. The G4 laptops were super slow if you recall. While running Pro Tools it could barely draw the VU meters in real time. However, this low output did keep the fans quiet which was nice.

You could dual boot Windows and actually do *some* gaming, especially if you added an eGPU or use some Windows only productivity software. Virtualization was MUCH faster if you needed to run Windows software under Parallels etc. For many years I simply had my laptop and could do everything I needed with it. Now that we're on Apple Silicon, I have to maintain a PC for my games which complicates my desk setup significantly.

I do agree that Apple Silicon is a huge step up in hardware. I hope that Apple can keep pushing the hardware boundaries and finally make proper gaming a reality on the Mac.
 
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I completely disagree. I'd say the Intel transition was significant. The G4 laptops were super slow if you recall.
Couldn’t agree more. The switch to Intel is going to be the biggest impact on the Mac for many many years. PowerPC was a dead end for consumer products. IBM and Freescale/Motorola both had bigger markets for their chips than Mac CPUs at the time. Neither was really interested in making a chip optimized for high performance in a laptop. Intel had pulled ahead and was accelerating.

It was a transformative moment for Apple. With one move they showed that they had matured a lot from the brand that was only for “Creative Rebels.” 1. That they had the resources and the will to pull off such a major transition successfully. 2. Their build the whole widget (hardware and software) philosophy was not a one trick pony and was not reliant on a niche corner of the chip/CPU market to survive. Everyone, even die hard Mac users, started to take Apple a little more seriously after that.

Apple Silicon is an exciting development and nice leap that has created a lot of hype, but it’s a far cry from the low level shifts that happened when Steve walked on stage at that WWDC and told everyone that there was no looking back.
 
So do we know when it will be released?
I’d say it depends what next week’s beta build is.
If the next beta’s version number ends with an “a” then it’s safe to expect the RC the week of the 17th, with the final public release the week of the 24th.
If the next beta version number ends with anything lower, than push that all back a week, with the "a" build the week of the 17th, the RC the week of the 24th and the final public release the week of the 31.
Monterey launched October 25, Big Sur November 12.

 
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Calendar still isn’t showing “out of office” as an option for new events. Works fine in iOS.

Also why can’t we have the option for travel time to show everywhere, including to relatives or colleagues? When I’m en route to one meeting, I’m unavailable for a different meeting.
 
I have discovered that right-clicking the Dock's Trash icon and selecting "Empty Trash" does absolutely nothing. Other methods of emptying the Trash still work. Feedback sent to Apple.
 
I keep getting login to iPad to backup, fails multiple times. When it does backup, it goes to backup again. As well when I restart my iMac 2017 both the BT mouse and keyboard have to be plugged in to charge a moment then they connect BT. both latest betas from Oct 5th week
 
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