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Apple Seeds Eighth Public Beta of macOS 13 Ventura

Annual software releases are ok, and like others have suggested having a Tick-Tok type schedule once in a while is not a big deal.

While I do agree it would be good for there to be a "Snow Leopard" release for macOS, there is still room for improving what is there now and still add some features. Example, Safari could be improved on the backed while adding something new like vertical tabs on the front end. Same goes for any of the other apps or system functions.
 
CarAnalogy said:
Every year they need one more than the last, and every year it looks less likely they’ll ever do it.

Apple is run by the bean counters now, and “no new features” doesn’t sound like a record breaking quarter to Wall Street, so they won’t do it.
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I was thinking about this while working on something. Part of the issue is, Apple is unbelievably big today and when get that big, its hard to push through things. As much as Tim Cook wants to give the impression they run like tiny little startups, its probably very far from the truth. Also, Tim is very hands off, he just looks at the numbers on Monday morning and probably spend the rest of his work browsing random sites on his iPad. A big hole too is Steve Jobs is not there to micromanage it like before. I wish Steve had picked out some lieutenant to take on that role of the micro-manager for the different groups. But the fear of the turtle neck standing outside your office is not there anymore.
 
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I think there's also a perceived larger "want" for new stuff, due to how iPhones (and to some degree, iPads) are changed and released. The marketing PR speak used to hype up folks to spend smaller amounts of money monthly due to carriers and even Apple's own monthly payment program, they have to hype up new features like Camera upgrades and better Face ID or the 'Dynamic Island' and stuff..

Since there's way less turnaround as to how often folks spend WAY more money on Macs of any kind, they hold key new features back behind OS updates, and then over time they limit which Macs get said updates, and then that forces the upgrade cycle.
 
It’s why I don’t upgrade every year. I went from Mojave (my first mac was a 2018 mini) to Monterey. If Ventura sounds stable on my 2018, only then will I upgrade. In the meantime I have to also balance the macOS with my 2015 12.9 1st gen ipp, which is still on ios 15.
 
socialwill said:
Annual software releases are ok, and like others have suggested having a Tick-Tok type schedule once in a while is not a big deal.

While I do agree it would be good for there to be a "Snow Leopard" release for macOS, there is still room for improving what is there now and still add some features. Example, Safari could be improved on the backed while adding something new like vertical tabs on the front end. Same goes for any of the other apps or system functions.
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A lot the stuff in macOS don't need an actual new version of the operating system every fall. Many features could be out of band releases throughout the year. Safari revisions could be monthly instead of once per year. But, I understand Apple's strategy of wanting to have a exciting feature set in one go. But the reality is, they are not able to deliver it.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
A lot the stuff in macOS don't need an actual new version of the operating system every fall. Many features could be out of band releases throughout the year. Safari revisions could be monthly instead of once per year. But, I understand Apple's strategy of wanting to have a exciting feature set in one go. But the reality is, they are not able to deliver it.
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Aren't you the party that never updates that much? :p
 
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Mr. Dee said:
...A big hole too is Steve Jobs is not there to micromanage it like before. I wish Steve had picked out some lieutenant to take on that role of the micro-manager for the different groups. But the fear of the turtle neck standing outside your office is not there anymore.
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Suggesting that the world's largest company needs to have its CEO micromanaging is worse than absurd.
 
Mr. Dee said:
Well, it worked for 14 years. Has anything life changing come out of Apple since 2011?
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Apple Silicon Macs. Comparing my older i7 based 27" iMac, the speed of even the earliest M1 models was amazing. Just launch 20 applications at the same time and compare which platform croaks on that task.
 
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tweaknmod said:
I would love this, as I think most Apple enthusiasts would. We don't need more bells and whistles, we need the ones we have to be as rock-solid as the hardware has become, and the software used to be.

I think the only reason this won't happen is that shareholders, and the overall market press, would freak out and claim doom and gloom. There is very little patience in the arena of consumer tech investing, and Apple is beholden to it's investors.

That said, those of us who have been using Apple gizmos for decades, and remember the Snow Leopard days, would celebrate and shout from the nerdy rooftops. Further, I'd bet Apple devs would welcome the time to polish their work even more!

I would adore being wrong here (my wife just perked up her ears, lol), but I doubt a year of pure polish is in our future...
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I agree. Just got my first macbook pro earlier this year, after using zenbooks for years and years. Nothing beats the build quality of this thing- nothing. The software side is disappointing. I mean you can't even sideload ipad apps and so many other programs/games are simply not compatible with the M1 chip. But my lord, this laptop is sexy as hell and I can't drain the battery if I try.
 
emmab2006 said:
I FREAKING HATE the new settings.
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The MacOS older settings design with a bunch of icons for different MacOS settings was reaching its limits. The new design just takes getting use to how they are grouped, but it is a lot easier to add/change settings for the foreseeable future. Just think of how many MacOSX -> MacOS releases we have gone thru before Apple finally elected to do this.
 
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The MacOS older settings design with a bunch of icons for different MacOS settings was reaching its limits. The new design just takes getting use to how they are grouped, but it is a lot easier to add/change settings for the foreseeable future. Just think of how many MacOSX -> MacOS releases we have gone thru before Apple finally elected to do this.
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But, in its “Current” state on Monterey and prior, you can organize it all alphabetically. Now we’re just stuck with this other way.
 
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All you have to do is bring up spotlight and type what setting you want, such as energy and click on that settings match at the top of the list and it takes you to it instantly.
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Don't even have to use spotlight. There is a search box at the top of the System settings. I have used it frequently and it works well.
 
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Mr. Dee said:
I was thinking about this while working on something. Part of the issue is, Apple is unbelievably big today and when get that big, its hard to push through things. As much as Tim Cook wants to give the impression they run like tiny little startups, its probably very far from the truth. Also, Tim is very hands off, he just looks at the numbers on Monday morning and probably spend the rest of his work browsing random sites on his iPad. A big hole too is Steve Jobs is not there to micromanage it like before. I wish Steve had picked out some lieutenant to take on that role of the micro-manager for the different groups. But the fear of the turtle neck standing outside your office is not there anymore.
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That’s exactly it. No more risk taking. There is no more visionary with the power right or wrong (and he was sometimes wrong) to just push things through the way they need to be.

It seems like getting a simple idea implemented at Apple is now like getting something through Congress.
 
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All you have to do is bring up spotlight and type what setting you want, such as energy and click on that settings match at the top of the list and it takes you to it instantly.
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Except, the spotlight can’t nail down To individual option afaik. If I want to change color filter to grey scale for example, I can’t type “color filter” and be sent directly to that setting to change filter.
 
Shirasaki said:
Except, the spotlight can’t nail down To individual option afaik. If I want to change color filter to grey scale for example, I can’t type “color filter” and be sent directly to that setting to change filter.
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If I type in "color" in spotlight one of the matches is color filters. First three matches is ColorSync Utility, next Digital Color Meter, then Color Filters is third. Further down in third group it has more system settings showing 4 more things to click on. This is one of the things Ventura improved on. Try it. I realize it doesn't please everyone to navigate the new settings, but I like the speed spotlight comes up with what you want to find along with more preview abilities.

I expect settings to be reworked over the next few minor updates until it better then it is now.
 
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