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This hasn't happened to me and I've tested 7 GPUs over the last two years.




You post that howler to me after I've been beta testing every macOS since 1999?
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If you hung out on the Pro forums with us you'd know me better. I bench and test the hell out of every aspect of a computer. I'm not some guy from the iPad section.


There are a '100.000' reasons why macOS still is a lot better than Windows, but I am not again writing reasons here, tired of listening to people claiming Windows is better.
 
I love this argument. "This is not a quantifiable statement.

But here let me quantify that for you:" ;)
That is not a quantifiable statement.

On several forums on his site people who installed Windows 10 have put it ahead of macOS on almost every aspect apart from 'interface uniformity' and font rendering.

I was the first person on this forum to install Win10 on a Mac and gave everyone a very thorough review, benchmark and feature test. I don't need to convince you of any of the above. There are thousands of posts by members highlighting that Windows outperformed macOS on:

- Interface speed, split screen feature, multi tasking animations
- video acceleration, HEVC 10bit 4K decoding on GPU. Not even High Sierra offers this.
- software decoding of HEVC 10bit 4K even on a crappy dual core Skylake Pentium. This isn't possible even on the best i7 with High Sierra
- Video encoding, 4x faster in Premiere due to native driver support for GPU encode.
- always up to date APIs such as OpenCL, OpenGL, Vulkan, OpenAl, etc.
- 3D performance in any game is faster
- CUDA and OpenCL based rendering is on average 15% faster
- Ever optimised drivers for just about any peripheral or hardware
- software for tuning CPUs, GPUs and SSDs
- Native support for eGPU, NVME, USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, and other next gen tech long before macOS
- True plug and play. Nice not needing to reboot every time a driver is installed.

Anyway I'm tired of stating the obvious. Objective observations are important otherwise might as well believe the earth is flat.
 
Can anyone still access their applications folder? I still haven't downloaded this update, but the two previous PB, applications folder forces a restart. Same if you Cmd+click on an icon on the Dock.
 
Whatever issues those are they have nothing to do with the feature and performance list I posted above.

Every known operating system has a list of escalated issues. Don't act like people just blissfully sit there using macOS with no issues. On the Pro forums you see years worth of complaints.

Yup. You're post seemed like you were "glorifying" Wintendo 10. I could careless to be honest.
 
I wish there was more to the High Seirra update than eGPU support, APFS, and an updated Safari. I hope APFS is incredible!
Actually, beyond APFS, what I'm looking forward to most is the new H265 video codec. I shoot lots of video and that could save me quite a bit of storage space.

Since they're on the fifth version, I'm hoping the final version will be released before September. But I doubt it.
 
Just completed the update to beta 5 on both of my Mac's and noticed I have lost the option to sync messages with iCloud. To bad, that was a new feature I rather liked....
 
That is not a quantifiable statement.

On several forums on his site people who installed Windows 10 have put it ahead of macOS on almost every aspect apart from 'interface uniformity' and font rendering.

I was the first person on this forum to install Win10 on a Mac and gave everyone a very thorough review, benchmark and feature test. I don't need to convince you of any of the above. There are thousands of posts by members highlighting that Windows outperformed macOS on:

- Interface speed, split screen feature, multi tasking animations
- video acceleration, HEVC 10bit 4K decoding on GPU. Not even High Sierra offers this.
- software decoding of HEVC 10bit 4K even on a crappy dual core Skylake Pentium. This isn't possible even on the best i7 with High Sierra
- Video encoding, 4x faster in Premiere due to native driver support for GPU encode.
- always up to date APIs such as OpenCL, OpenGL, Vulkan, OpenAl, etc.
- 3D performance in any game is faster
- CUDA and OpenCL based rendering is on average 15% faster
- Ever optimised drivers for just about any peripheral or hardware
- software for tuning CPUs, GPUs and SSDs
- Native support for eGPU, NVME, USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, and other next gen tech long before macOS
- True plug and play. Nice not needing to reboot every time a driver is installed.

Anyway I'm tired of stating the obvious. Objective observations are important otherwise might as well believe the earth is flat.
I keep hearing about the "Windows 10 Magic Edition", and I've yet to find it. And yes, I've installed it on my Mac, and it's much much worse for performance, even in games.

And split screen, interface, and multitasking being faster? total bunk.
 
Just completed the update to beta 5 on both of my Mac's and noticed I have lost the option to sync messages with iCloud. To bad, that was a new feature I rather liked....

The ios11 post that said it was disabled
 
They should use the Windows 10 update model and keep the OS constantly fresh and updated to latest APIs and optimisations. macOS very rarely has updated driver optimisations after the beta stage and many months after. As for APIs..behind Linux.

I will have to agree strongly with this statement. MacOS lags behind windows quite substantially with regards to graphics APIs. I would like to see more optimisation of OpenGL as well as incremental improvements to the inbuilt graphics drivers. It seems with MacOS, very little happens on this front.
 
Refinements that I would like to see in future betas.

1. Ability to set the default font size in Contacts like you can in Notes.

2. Alphabetize the E-Mail folders under the section “On My Mac". If you have several folders this can be a pain to keep organized!

3. Rotate text boxes in Preview with a Mouse. Trackpad users can do it why can’t mouse users?

4. Changing and selecting fonts in Notes is too complex. Currently, right click to bring up menu, left click on Font, left click on show fonts. Just to change the font or the font size! Why not borrow part of the toolbar functionality from Text Editor? It is easier and faster!

5. A command to set the default viewing Scale in Mail. Twelve point fonts are difficult for many to comfortably read. Pages solves this problem with a Zoom setting.

6. An option to configure Messages on the Mac to work like iOS Messages.

In iOS - Pressing enter moves to the next line of the message. Click Send when you want to send the message.

In OSX - The enter key sends the message. If you want to type multiple lines in a message you have to press control enter for each line and then press enter at the end of the message.​

7. A Cut function in the Finder.

8. Currently the Home and End keys have not been assigned a default function.

May I suggest the following:

- Press the home key to move the cursor to the beginning of the line.
- Press the end key to move the cursor to the end of the line.​
 
Downloading. Anyone know if this has resolved the issue some of us had with iTunes and Photos refusing to mount iPhones and iPads? This issue, believed to be a problem with USB 3 channel, carried over into VMware and devices would not mount in iTunes in Windows 10 either. Some experienced this issue only while using Filevault but I did not.

My iTunes hasn't even loaded since beta 3 lol.
 
Downloading. Anyone know if this has resolved the issue some of us had with iTunes and Photos refusing to mount iPhones and iPads? This issue, believed to be a problem with USB 3 channel, carried over into VMware and devices would not mount in iTunes in Windows 10 either. Some experienced this issue only while using Filevault but I did not.

Which version of iTunes do you have installed on your Mac? 12.7 got pulled shortly after the release of DB3 and wasn't included if you did a clean install of DB3 and later versions. The current version for Mac is 12.6.2.20.

I don't know if there also had been a 12.7 for Windows.
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My iTunes hasn't even loaded since beta 3 lol.

Did you maybe also got the pulled update to 12.7?
 
So, now that the Apple bashers have thankfully gone silent, can those who are actually using Beta 5 please share their observations on how well Beta 5 is working?

I have noticed with Beta 4, that wifi connections have become very fickle at most Starbucks locations. Has Beta 5 improved this?

Is Beta 5 a net improvement over Beta 4?

Thanks in advance for sharing your experience with Beta 5!
 
I wish there was more to the High Seirra update than eGPU support, APFS, and an updated Safari. I hope APFS is incredible!

There is, go onto the Apple developer website and watch video sessions from WWDC that talk about all the user visible and under the hood changes in store for High Sierra. High Sierra has tonnes of features and this time it isn't gimmicky features like skeuomorphism at the expense of addressing the fundamentals.

For all of the nifty new features of Photos when will Apple bring back the ability that iPhoto had to type in one Title field and then hit the tab key or arrow key to go to the next photo's title field? This is such a simple request and one I've been making since Photos was released. If I am importing dozens of photos and want go through them one by one to give them a name in the Title field why does Apple now make me use my mouse to select each new title box? That costs additional time and use of the keyboard and/or mouse when it should not be necessary. Apple has a bad habit of taking a perfectly good feature and getting rid of it for no apparent reason.

And I don't need to hear from all of the users that say I should be using other programs with my photos. Nothing was a simple as putting a SSD card in my iMac, opening iPhotos, selecting the photos I wanted to import and automatically putting them where I wanted them to go, then selecting the first photo to give it a name and then tabbing to the next and then the next and so on until I had labeled every photo. Now you have to first import your photos, then create a new Album then drag those photos into the album then follow the process I described above. It just makes no sense and should be corrected to make it a better user experience.

After all, I thought that is what Steve Jobs always wanted for his customers.

Steve Jobs would over seen the same things except he was the sultan of spin so the damage control would have been a lot more slick. My only guess at this point is that they that the majority use the camera on the phone, use iCloud etc. and thus the Photos application is orientated around what they see as the 'future'.

Oh dear lord please no! If they force updates I'll never update again and drop Mac entirely. I hate forced updates. I'll update when I'm ready and I know the updates will not break my programs on my machine or impede my work flow.

I despise Windows 10 for this very reason.

Agreed - the problem with Windows is that it is a spaghetti code nightmare so structurally it isn't in a position where rapid updates can be created without risking breakage somewhere else. I think that Apple could pull it off but there is a risk that the code quality would fall off the cliff as developers get stuck in a process of 'get it out there and sort out the mess later' but the later never arrives then eventually macOS turns into a mess like Windows.

Actually, beyond APFS, what I'm looking forward to most is the new H265 video codec. I shoot lots of video and that could save me quite a bit of storage space.

Since they're on the fifth version, I'm hoping the final version will be released before September. But I doubt it.

I'd hazard to guess that it'll probably be the end of September at the earliest. Personally I'm no hurry, I'd sooner them focus on getting it as stable and reliable as possible so then then there isn't a mad dash for 10.13.1 to come out to address glaringly obvious bugs.

I will have to agree strongly with this statement. MacOS lags behind windows quite substantially with regards to graphics APIs. I would like to see more optimisation of OpenGL as well as incremental improvements to the inbuilt graphics drivers. It seems with MacOS, very little happens on this front.

In a perfect world Apple would upgrade OpenGL to 4.6, optimise drivers and officially announce that it will be shifted to maintenance mode with all focus being put on Metal but unfortunately it appears that Apple's long term is to cut their losses and push everyone to Metal. Long term Metal is going to be the future and provides Apple with the flexibility to develop their own graphics API at their own pace not to mention having a unified API that spans across multiple platforms and optimised for their own custom hardware straight off the bat. The big question is how quickly will they ramp up their development of Metal and whether Apple will start producing developer tools to make life easier for DirectX and OpenGL developers.
 
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It hasn't hurt Windows 10 users. The slow ring and fast ring has very extensive testing.

On macOS we wait for Apple to catch up with the industry. On Win10 they immediately integrate new technologies. That's sad because under Jobs it was the Mac that did that many times.

The forced updates do hurt. Pretty much every time I log into my windows machine at work it reboots to install some update. I’d take the frequency of updates as long as they can easily be deferred.
 
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Shades of "Manos, The Hands Of Fate."

I was thinking Final Sacrifice / Rowsdower.
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You almost fell off, but managed to grab your capslock key ?
How lucky was that? If his hand had hit the touchbar instead, his fingers would have slid right off and the unthinkable would have happened.
 
Unable to install update. I've tried twice. Computer simply starts the reboot process then about 10% in it restarts and no update. Anyone else unable to install this update? (Currently on DP 4)
 
The fact Apple felt the need to develop their own filesystem was silly. There are plenty of other open source file systems they could have forked or they could have even used a derivative of ZFS, which, APFS is share some similarities with in some ways. Apple always feels the need to develop their own solutions to solve problems that have already been solved. It's a water of time, engineering and developer effort to always build these one of closed source solutions. One day, Apple will have to adopt open source just like Microsoft is doing now. Otherwise, they will shed market share. The OS is no longer as relevant as it used to be.
 
The fact Apple felt the need to develop their own filesystem was silly. There are plenty of other open source file systems they could have forked or they could have even used a derivative of ZFS, which, APFS is share some similarities with in some ways. Apple always feels the need to develop their own solutions to solve problems that have already been solved. It's a water of time, engineering and developer effort to always build these one of closed source solutions. One day, Apple will have to adopt open source just like Microsoft is doing now. Otherwise, they will shed market share. The OS is no longer as relevant as it used to be.

While you are right in most parts, but I'd argue that developing your own solution gives you unprecedented control over all aspects of it. Open source technologies are open source, I'd wager that Apple's solution is going to be designed strictly according to their own software platforms and therefore should ideally be the more reliable solution in long term.

Also, not talking of privacy and security concerns.
 
That is not a quantifiable statement.

On several forums on his site people who installed Windows 10 have put it ahead of macOS on almost every aspect apart from 'interface uniformity' and font rendering.

I was the first person on this forum to install Win10 on a Mac and gave everyone a very thorough review, benchmark and feature test. I don't need to convince you of any of the above. There are thousands of posts by members highlighting that Windows outperformed macOS on:

- Interface speed, split screen feature, multi tasking animations
- video acceleration, HEVC 10bit 4K decoding on GPU. Not even High Sierra offers this.
- software decoding of HEVC 10bit 4K even on a crappy dual core Skylake Pentium. This isn't possible even on the best i7 with High Sierra
- Video encoding, 4x faster in Premiere due to native driver support for GPU encode.
- always up to date APIs such as OpenCL, OpenGL, Vulkan, OpenAl, etc.
- 3D performance in any game is faster
- CUDA and OpenCL based rendering is on average 15% faster
- Ever optimised drivers for just about any peripheral or hardware
- software for tuning CPUs, GPUs and SSDs
- Native support for eGPU, NVME, USB 3.1, Thunderbolt 3, and other next gen tech long before macOS
- True plug and play. Nice not needing to reboot every time a driver is installed.

Anyway I'm tired of stating the obvious. Objective observations are important otherwise might as well believe the earth is flat.
i respect your opinion and point of view, but i also have many reasons why i know that mac os is better than windows and is not just a bias opinion, the only reason why some people believe that w10 is a little bit good is because Microsoft copied and stole every single feature from mac os, they copied just about everything, the list will be too long to write but basically and technically speaking w10 is build on stolen features from mac os, i personally don't like w10 mess , buggy + ugly = bugly. but if you like it and i respect that, i'm not trying to change the way you think or convince you, to be fair the only advantage that windows has over mac is in games, but i want a computer to do everything not just a winbox to play games, to be honest with you windows sucks so bad that it gets me so upset in less than a minute, i don't feel that way with mac os but windows for some reason enfuriate me, "the weird windows effect" i rather play emulators on mac os instead of having to install windows to be able to play some games

i also use crossover so i can play some windows games on mac os, i do anything just to avoid having to use or install windows

i hate having to look at windows 10 gui

give a w10 laptop to a boxer before the fight and i guarantee you that man will win by KO in the first round
 
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