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12.3 Beta (21E5227a)
System Firmware Version: 7459.101.2
OS Loader Version: 7459.101.2

Anyone has a different firmware version? This is the same firmware version as the last one... so major core kernel code changes are slowing down. They were changing wildly between prior iterations.

RC is coming soon....
 
it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.

They are doing this on purpose to force everyone to buy into their APPLE silicon future.

I don't like it

Cheap defective screens on the laptops.
All you can fix yourself is replace the laptop battery.
everything else is non upgradable.
they will probable enforce only software installs from the APP Store.


This is the Future.

 
They still haven’t fixed 3rd party accessories with universal control … wonder how technical/hard it is to fix it (genuine curiosity, not sarcasm).
Apple controls the hardware/os stack pretty tight so either than weird “we can do this but third parties can’t” level stuff that might cause unexpected behaviour/incompatibilities (this is different than a bug and could be thought of as something third parties are incapable of supporting themselves without Apple ie. multitouch trackpad on iPad) it should be easy….

If the issues you are seeing is from a mouse connected to the desktop, I don’t know the stack but I could see there being a possibility of fundamental differences in how they handle their own hardware vs 3rd party that might force them to “re-create” certain efforts for third parties…. But smartly prepared code should be able to handle this and we would of likely would of seen bugs cropping up in other areas related to mouse/touch support if they had to.
 
Finally showed up for me. I’m used to there being a delay sometimes, but this was hours.. oh well.
 
Universal Control is just as magical as they made it seem in the introduction. For my use case, I have an iPad logged into slack all the time, and just flicking the cursor over there to control and type is so useful.
It really is magical. I didn’t have to do anything to set it up. One of those “it just works” moments.
 
it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.

They are doing this on purpose to force everyone to buy into their APPLE silicon future.

I don't like it

Cheap defective screens on the laptops.
All you can fix yourself is replace the laptop battery.
everything else is non upgradable.
they will probable enforce only software installs from the APP Store.


This is the Future.


I’m sure they want to…. But there’s many things on desktop (terminal level access for one) that would make such a move impossible to enforce without pissing off the devs that make apps in the first place.

With the transition to Apple silicon and non-upgradeable hardware…. Many Devs are feeling the heat to switch platforms/ecosystems as it is and with Microsoft’s recent dev efforts (buying GitHub, providing “VS Code” for free, opening the Microsoft store to third party payment systems, redoing their own “terminal”) I would not be surprised to see Apple die a slow death in the coming years (in terms of dev support) unless they fundamentally make some changes to their business model as it’s becoming less flexible/useful everyday on top of the high cost to entry and…. monopolistic worries.

The only thing I could imagine would break the tension is if they open OS X to Non-Apple hardware (adopt Microsoft’s model) but they probably couldn’t handle the loss of control they’re so obsessed with so we’ll see if that ever happens :p
 
it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.

They are doing this on purpose to force everyone to buy into their APPLE silicon future.

I don't like it

Cheap defective screens on the laptops.
All you can fix yourself is replace the laptop battery.
everything else is non upgradable.
they will probable enforce only software installs from the APP Store.


This is the Future.

Monterey runs just fine on my 2017 iMac, and it looks like you have a wonderful future with Intel and Windows. And you’ve known since June 2020 what Apples future is, so get over it
 
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Beta 3 & 4 broke an Applescript of mine - it just wouldn't open, saying the file (.scpt) was corrupt. Only one script out of the few I have. Weird.

Anyway, today's beta has fixed that issue.
 
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it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.
Are you claiming that "all" Intel Macs will dead-end on Monterey? How can that be, when Intel Macs are being sold right now?
 
Are you claiming that "all" Intel Macs will dead-end on Monterey? How can that be, when Intel Macs are being sold right now?
Just ignore him, MacOS will be supporting x86 for some time. As another member pointed out a business’s IT group that refreshes their enterprise computers every 3 to 4 years doesn’t want to be told that suddenly the expensive desktop, laptop, workstation they procured in quantity are no longer supported without considerable advance notice. They spend a fortune purchasing and licensing the hardware & software they use. ;)
 
it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.

They are doing this on purpose to force everyone to buy into their APPLE silicon future.

I don't like it

Cheap defective screens on the laptops.
All you can fix yourself is replace the laptop battery.
everything else is non upgradable.
they will probable enforce only software installs from the APP Store.


This is the Future.

M1s never had a good release of macOS on the other hand
 
This release should have been the 12.0 version we've waited all along. Critical bugs fixed (hope so) and feature-complete.
 
Universal Control is just as magical as they made it seem in the introduction. For my use case, I have an iPad logged into slack all the time, and just flicking the cursor over there to control and type is so useful
it really seems like All of US Intel Mac users are gonna get left with a buggy unfinished macOS as the final OS that runs on Intel Macs. I was afraid of this.

They are doing this on purpose to force everyone to buy into their APPLE silicon future.

I don't like it

Cheap defective screens on the laptops.
All you can fix yourself is replace the laptop battery.
everything else is non upgradable.
they will probable enforce only software installs from the APP Store.


This is the Future.

I also have quite a powerful desktop PC. 5950x rtx 3080TI
But this is definitely not the future - more like another step into that direction.

It does help with the house heating during the winter. Not looking forward to the summer though….
 
They still haven’t fixed 3rd party accessories with universal control … wonder how technical/hard it is to fix it (genuine curiosity, not sarcasm).
A lot to read into this comment. third party accessories? are you meaning you are having trouble with third-party keyboards, mice and trackpads? Because it won't work with Galaxy tabs anyway, LOL. There is a lot that could go awry with third party not being quite up to the same technical spec. Interested in hearing more
 
I also have quite a powerful desktop PC. 5950x rtx 3080TI
But this is definitely not the future - more like another step into that direction.

It does help with the house heating during the winter. Not looking forward to the summer though….
Nice meme, properly cooled desktops don't get any hotter any of m1 machines
 
Nice meme, properly cooled desktops don't get any hotter any of m1 machines
They consume a lot more.
Look I love my desktop - I game a lot on it.
I am not against it at all, on the contrary - but power consumption, noise levels are still “on the table”

I really wish to have more compact machines consuming less and less noise as well.
I can say with my right hand on the left hear that rtx 3080ti is insane and no M1 optimized game comes even close to how it plays on a pac.

I really hope intel and amd do something more drastic in this area.
 
I hope they fixed the USB Drive taking minutes long to be recognized...It's only ever happened since I updated from Big Sur last year.
I do not have that issue, and you have graced us with no information. How old is drive, is the firmware up to date, are you using WD crapware (don't - it will cost you data), version of USB, going through unpowered hub (mine won't work well unless USBC power in is used as well), drive format, have you run Disk Utility repair? See so much.

troubleshooting I would do:
1) check firmware
2) make sure you are direct connected (if external powered drive, do you have the correct power adapter), or your hub is powered, cable is good
3) run a complete Disk Utility repair
4) if its USB2, junk it and get a new drive
 
Any with MBP 14 can see if this is fixed?

tap to click works great on my M1 MBP. The very first beta release that I had had laggy trackpad issues, that was fixed within a week with a new release, has been operating great since then. Have you gone to settings trackpad and settings/accessibility/pointer control and adjusted settings to your liking? I find that I have to adjust these to my preferences. Double click speed to one tick from slow, scrolling with inertia, three finger drag, medium click speed, force click off. This are preferences, but they work for me
 
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