Apple Seeds First Build of OS X 10.8.1 to Developers

[jlnr]

what are your hardware specifications - could it be related specifically to your model? I mean, come on, this is a computer related forum where I'd expect that people here would know some rudimentary troubleshooting techniques.

How would it even help me if I knew it was only my model that is affected?

FWIW I ran into the same WebKit bug three times now (twice in Mail, once in Skype), and it always deadlocks at 100% on one CPU core. Maybe that explains the terrible battery life for some people? As long as I kill stuck processes, I get the same battery mileage as on 10.7.

 

[KALLT]

An update for Mail seems promising. I am experiencing many issues with Mail at the moment, varying from disappearing e-mails, empty mailboxes (especially Exchange), rearranged mailboxes, interface resets (like menu buttons which keep changing positions), graphical glitches, connection issues and password rejections. One of my Exchange accounts keeps on changing the internal server addresses to a different subdomain. These issues started to appear after the upgrade, so I think they should not be related to my e-mail accounts, but to the app instead.

Overall, I feel there is still some work to be done with Mail. The usability is not fully desirable, starting with the clunky interface to view attachments by which you have to ‘expand’ e-mails just to see how many attachments there are, only to find no good option to view single attachments without having to either save them or ‘Quick Looking’ all of them at the same time (and clicking through the individual attachments, which is cumbersome if you have mails with many attachments and no easily discernible document titles). Pre-Lion Mail was much, much better in this. Also, Mountain Lion has greyed out the e-mail addresses in the header, which makes it harder for me to distinguish them with a quick glance (as they grey colour is just too light for me). Overall, I am not very happy with it, yet there seems no better alternative at the moment.

 

[mex4eric]

Although I always go for the new OSs, the .0, and I have been happy with this one, 10.8, I think there are a few glitches that need the .1 and maybe even .2 releases this time.

Keep up the glitch reports, so Apple knows about them. I have had a few app crashes with the accompanying Reports to Apple, which they must take into account, mainly iPhoto and Mail.

 

[MrNomNoms]

How would it even help me if I knew it was only my model that is affected?

FWIW I ran into the same WebKit bug three times now (twice in Mail, once in Skype), and it always deadlocks at 100% on one CPU core. Maybe that explains the terrible battery life for some people? As long as I kill stuck processes, I get the same battery mileage as on 10.7.

1) Then we would know if it was your model was affected we (those trying to help) could then see whether the problem your experiencing related to your model is something related to a hardware/software combination or whether there is something unique about your setup.

2) Way to go ignoring the other part of the post I wrote - it is clear you don't want help but merely use this forum to have a good whine on because it almost guarantees a decent size audience who will listen.

 

[xbasti1]

I hope it fixes the Intel HD3000 freeze issue in my Late 2011 MacBook Pro.

 

[h4lp m3]

• I bought Tiger and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Leopard was introduced.
• I bought Leopard and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Snow Leopard was introduced.
• I bought Snow Leopard and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Lion was introduced.
• I bought Lion and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Mountain Lion was introduced.
• I bought Mountain Lion and am waiting for them to work out the bugs... Never gonna happen.

 

[derbothaus]

• I bought Tiger and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Leopard was introduced.
• I bought Leopard and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Snow Leopard was introduced.
• I bought Snow Leopard and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Lion was introduced.
• I bought Lion and waited for them to work out the bugs... Never happened and Mountain Lion was introduced.
• I bought Mountain Lion and am waiting for them to work out the bugs... Never gonna happen.

List those supposed bugs bro!
10.6.8 was/is tits. And if 10.8 is a train wreck that is impossible as Lion already was Armageddon and there are no trains in empty space.

 

[cjmillsnun]

In other words, the biggest train wreck in OS X's history continues to be a train wreck with 10.8.1...other than the battery, nothing else is fixed or what?

Considering you've never bought ML and used it on your own mac. I don't think you're in a position to call it "The biggest train wreck in OS X's history". I've been using it since DP1 on my own Macs and it has held up fairly well.

There were far worse bugs in 10.6 when that came out but at the time you were saying "Microsoft is dead".

On the whole, the bugs in ML are relatively minor for a .0 release, and some of them are being fixed in this .1 release. This .1 developer release is the first seed. So again there may be more in the way of bug fixes to come in the next seed.

Your post is quite frankly ridiculous.

 

[VinegarTasters]

A Bug in OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.1 12B13

Below is a How To guide to reproducing a minor bug in Mountain Lion 10.8.1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBFkB7x6duw


Look at the video description for explanations on what is a "Click Drag". It shows how to magically make all your Application icons disappear inside the window.

 

[jlnr]

1) Then we would know if it was your model was affected we (those trying to help) could then see whether the problem your experiencing related to your model is something related to a hardware/software combination or whether there is something unique about your setup.

2) Way to go ignoring the other part of the post I wrote - it is clear you don't want help but merely use this forum to have a good whine on because it almost guarantees a decent size audience who will listen.

No, I come into these threads hoping to see people post issues they have, and whether they have been fixed (I don't have time to try the dev build this time). But every single time, someone will chime in at page 2 or 3 and put all the blame on ignorant users for no reason at all. There was absolutely nothing wrong with djrod's posting which triggered a defensive reaction this time. I wish Apple opened up their issue tracker or wrote more detailed change logs, that would make this all a little easier.

 

[QuiteSure]

Dictation in Mail.app?

An update for Mail seems promising. I am experiencing many issues with Mail at the moment, varying from disappearing e-mails, empty mailboxes (especially Exchange), rearranged mailboxes, interface resets (like menu buttons which keep changing positions), graphical glitches, connection issues and password rejections. One of my Exchange accounts keeps on changing the internal server addresses to a different subdomain. These issues started to appear after the upgrade, so I think they should not be related to my e-mail accounts, but to the app instead.

Overall, I feel there is still some work to be done with Mail. The usability is not fully desirable, starting with the clunky interface to view attachments by which you have to ‘expand’ e-mails just to see how many attachments there are, only to find no good option to view single attachments without having to either save them or ‘Quick Looking’ all of them at the same time (and clicking through the individual attachments, which is cumbersome if you have mails with many attachments and no easily discernible document titles). Pre-Lion Mail was much, much better in this. Also, Mountain Lion has greyed out the e-mail addresses in the header, which makes it harder for me to distinguish them with a quick glance (as they grey colour is just too light for me). Overall, I am not very happy with it, yet there seems no better alternative at the moment.

I'm hoping this release fixes the bug where using Dictation in Mail there was no way to bring up alternatives when a word had the blue dotted underline. Curiously in all my systems right-clicking on the word (or left-clicking immediately at the end of the word) in the Subject line will bring up alternatives, but not in the body of the email. Fixing this will greatly improve the usability of Mail for me.

 

[MrNomNoms]

No, I come into these threads hoping to see people post issues they have, and whether they have been fixed (I don't have time to try the dev build this time). But every single time, someone will chime in at page 2 or 3 and put all the blame on ignorant users for no reason at all. There was absolutely nothing wrong with djrod's posting which triggered a defensive reaction this time. I wish Apple opened up their issue tracker or wrote more detailed change logs, that would make this all a little easier.

Mate, Apple have been operating like this for over a decade and you're surprised? The issue isn't blaming the end user but the end user refusing to engage in some sort of conversation regarding the issue and more importantly why the hell are you even replying - last time I checked your name isn't djrod now is it. The original message was made by djrod stating the issue, the way it was phrased was as though it was something that 'just happens' as if it were normal, the reply to that post was someone who said that it isn't normal to which I then followed up to that person by asking questions regarding his set up - so pray tell, why the hell are you even involved this far along the chain of the conversation when you couldn't even be bothered understanding where the whole discussion started? The post that I made was asking questions regarding his setup given that my sister has an iMac with a magic mouse yet has no issues hence I requested information about his setup - what software does he have installed, what model is his iMac etc. so then the cause can be narrowed down and maybe a work around can be found temporarily until a permanent fix can be provided by Apple. Again, next time, put some effort into actually reading the WHOLE conversation that has taken place rather than coming in thinking you know what has just transpired.

 

[Howard Brazee]

10.7.5

I'm more interested in getting my wife's Lion fixed. Her computer is a year older than mine, just old enough that she didn't get Mountain lion.

Unfortunately it is also old enough to get a bug with 10.7.4 that gives her only two resolutions on her iMac. Extremely small, and extremely large. I'm told that 10.7.5 fixes that, but when it it going to be available?

I didn't see any advantage in my going to Mountain Lion. I lost a very valuable sparsebundle that I couldn't restore with Time Machine, and I had to upgrade my Fusion. The difference I've noticed beyond that is notify tells me the subject of e-mail when it arrives. Big deal.

And now I have two memory cards with OSX, instead of one.

 

[weckart]

It's really staggering... and its amazing how arrogant and ignorant people can be at the same time about their own machine. The things people blame on an OS instead of their own machine can be down right absurd. ie: kernel panics when waking from sleep. How anyone could delude themselves into thinking that this is a bug in the OS, rather than a conflict on their own machine as a result of not clean installing, is beyond me.

It's really staggering that anyone thinking that a clean install is the only way to get OS X to work cannot see that this is clearly a bug in the OS.

If I had to format/reinstall for every release of OS X, then I would dump its sorry arse quicker than format C: (cleaning windows).

Safari is b0rked on both my iMac and MBA to the point of actually being unusable. Not a biggie when I can haul down nightlies and have Firefox and Chrome, too, but Apple needs to show some love to OS X as well as iOS.

 

[bbfc]

I clean installed OS X Mountain Lion and it's running like a dream.

Not experiencing any issues at all with Safari, in fact it's much snappier (sorry!) than it was on Lion. No GUI issues, no issues with my Integrated Intel graphics, nothing.

Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

[pmz]

It's really staggering that anyone thinking that a clean install is the only way to get OS X to work cannot see that this is clearly a bug in the OS.

If I had to format/reinstall for every release of OS X, then I would dump its sorry arse quicker than format C: (cleaning windows).

Safari is b0rked on both my iMac and MBA to the point of actually being unusable. Not a biggie when I can haul down nightlies and have Firefox and Chrome, too, but Apple needs to show some love to OS X as well as iOS.

Again, it's not the OS, it's your Mac. But that would be too much for you to admit. Much easier to blame Apple.

Safari 6 flies on every Mac under my supervision, no crashes, no slow loading, no incompatibility. So, in other words, IT DOES WORK.

So...what's wrong with your machine?

 

[MrNomNoms]

It's really staggering that anyone thinking that a clean install is the only way to get OS X to work cannot see that this is clearly a bug in the OS.

If I had to format/reinstall for every release of OS X, then I would dump its sorry arse quicker than format C: (cleaning windows).

Safari is b0rked on both my iMac and MBA to the point of actually being unusable. Not a biggie when I can haul down nightlies and have Firefox and Chrome, too, but Apple needs to show some love to OS X as well as iOS.

Well guess what - we'd love upgrades to work perfectly, we'd love these upgrade bugs to be addressed but guess what, we live in the real world so rather than sitting around wishing and hoping that Apple will fix things we just avoid the BS and do a clean install. It happens with Windows, it happens with Linux and heck it even happens with FreeBSD so lets just face reality that upgrades suck regardless of the platform and for every bug fixed there will be a 100 new one appear in the next release relating to upgrading.

 

[Predator69]

but does clean install really address the issue of battery drain ? to me this is the biggest flaw for ML for now.

 

[Kar98]

You can "cut" files on finder using cmd + c and then paste with cmd+opt+v

It's not properly "cut" (i would call move) but does the same thing.

Well, no it's not. Cmd (or Ctrl) C = copy on all platforms = a copy of the file is created at the new destination. Cmd X (or Ctrl) + Cmd (or Ctrl) V = cut and paste = the a copy of the file is created at the new destination and the file is removed from its original destination.

That's entirely NOT the same.

 

[MikhailT]

Well, no it's not. Cmd (or Ctrl) C = copy on all platforms = a copy of the file is created at the new destination. Cmd X (or Ctrl) + Cmd (or Ctrl) V = cut and paste = the a copy of the file is created at the new destination and the file is removed from its original destination.

That's entirely NOT the same.

He didn't say it's the same thing, he said it does the same thing, which is accurate. You did notice he said "Command + Option + V", not "Command + V".

Control/Command + C = place a copy of item into the clipboard. It does not a copy has been created at the new destination, you still have to paste it.

Control/Command + X = place the file into the clipboard, remove it from its current location

Control/Command + V = place the clipboard item into the current destination

Command + Option + V = convert the action from "copy" to "move", paste the clipboard item into the current destination and then delete the source file from its previous location

 

[flooce]

Clean install of Mountain Lion and it is amazingly fast and responsive

Coming from a Snow Leopard install and skipping Lion, I am impressed by how well Mountain Lion handles its resources when there is high demand for CPU or Memory! I am a fan!

 

[SeattleMoose]

Biding My Time...

Gonna stick with 10.6.8 on my 2007 2.2 MBP until at LEAST 10.8.3.

And put me down for those "Babysitter" pix too

"Smithers, release the hounds"......

 

[h4lp m3]

We shouldn't have to PAY to BETA TEST for Apple.
Until the product is finalized and stable it should be free (really shouldn't even be released at all)
All these "updates" are the result of the consumers frustrations from not thoroughly testing

 

[derbothaus]

We shouldn't have to PAY to BETA TEST for Apple.
Until the product is finalized and stable it should be free (really shouldn't even be released at all)
All these "updates" are the result of the consumers frustrations from not thoroughly testing

News flash. All computing and tech is a paid beta program. One long tree of creation and patching. Cut a branch and count your losses.

 

[Riemann Zeta]

^^^
Yep. If your goal is to hold out and wait for an operating system that is completely free of bugs, then you should just avoid computers altogether.