Apple Seeds First Developer Build of Mac OS X 10.6.5

[meatballs]

Running 10.6.5 for a few days now on a June 2010 Mac Mini, and having no problems. Starcraft II performance is increased, as well as my ability to multi-task while running the game.

My ability to multi-task while running Safari has improved too 😀 Looking forward to the final release.

 

[alent1234]

Then i would say that nothing has changet since time i was using Windows 98. No matter from where drivers come they will have bugs and knowing that there are 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 PC configurations i can't see how this helps.

these days there are just as much PC configurations as Mac configurations. has been this way for years now

 

[MorphingDragon]

these days there are just as much PC configurations as Mac configurations. has been this way for years now

NO, that statement simply isn't true. For a start I can't buy a mac that has a CPU that ***** itself and dies.

 

[jimoase]

Rules window overflow... off screen

Enter 25 or more rules and the Mail Rules Window will extend off the bottom of the screen taking with it the control buttons Cancel & Accept ( I think they are called.. mine have been gone for 4 or 5 years)

This problem has been repeatedly confirmed by Geniuses, On Line Support and others since its introduction with 10.4

 

[itpromike]

I think this is further evidence services are being debugged on Intel OSX for iOS particularly printing. iOS prime feature forward is printing, VPN, Mail with windows or panels, and new decoder QT.

iPad is 1024p and iPhone is retina. Both are OSX iOS. Finder is different but services are the same.

Are portable systems getting 3D?? (dual frame HD)

Just asking.

Rocketman

Huh? HOw do you get iOS anything out of this update? What am I missing?

 

[Žalgiris]

these days there are just as much PC configurations as Mac configurations. has been this way for years now

Not even close. There are many, many, many times more PC configurations. I mean real configurations not that number Apple spins with Mac Pro.

 

[diamond.g]

EDIT: As another commentator stated, Microsoft has been controlling the drivers with increasing fervor, which has helped Windows 7 tremendously in terms of it's horrid background with conflicting device drivers, etc. This model for control has always worked well for Apple quality, I suppose Microsoft is beginning to watch and learn.

Microsoft changed the driver model for the two worse offenders: Video drivers and Sounds drivers. Now when things go south (typically) the system can recover without rebooting. The only time I have seen that not be true is if you use XP drivers on a Vista/7 box. When things fail, they fail spectacularly.

I think NVIDIA And ATI both have testing labs for that and maybe even few guys from Apple to help. This whole "Apple is worried or would be worried" thing doesn't make that much sense, because Apple had their share of craptastic drivers in the past.

Well typically nvidia and ATI release a stable driver once a month (or so) but they have beta builds in between that often give pretty big performance boost and bug fixes. But since they are beta, they could break things. That is the stuff Apple would be worried about. I mean look at the folks here that have to get help on what drivers o get in Windows to get their Macs working correctly, then panic when Apple doesn't provide a driver (or uses one that is old as crap).

Apple don't write the graphics drivers. Nvidia and ATI write the code and send to Apple. Make no mistake. So ATI/Nvidia releasing their own drivers in their own timetable will not magically increase GPU speed. Only more mac gaming will increase that. The reason win drivers are better is not only because of DirectX but also because both ATI and Nvidia spend tons more resources to driver development on that platform, and that's because they sell thousand times more GPU's on that platform. Do the math.

Well if Apple gets code updates, they sure are slow on putting them out. I mean in Windows and Linux people get updates once a month.

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

10.6.4 was terrible.

The following things need to be fixed ASAP!

1.) VPN Bugs
2.) SMB time out and slow downs
3.) Graphics Drivers
4.) Freezing on i5/i7 devices
5.) SSD Trim Support (we are an SSD only on portables company)
6.) AD bind tool and DNS.

 

[MikhailT]

10.6.4 was terrible.

The following things need to be fixed ASAP!

1.) VPN Bugs
2.) SMB time out and slow downs
3.) Graphics Drivers
4.) Freezing on i5/i7 devices
5.) SSD Trim Support (we are an SSD only on portables company)
6.) AD bind tool and DNS.

Number 3 is definitely coming in 10.6.5, we're already seeing some of the work in a separate graphic drivers update that Apple seeded and has twice been updated.

Number 5 isn't really a fix, but a new feature. Apple did add TRIM/SSD status in the System Profiler starting in 10.6.4. They wouldn't do that if they don't plan to add TRIM support. So it's coming, the question is which update will it be in.

Number 4 is the only thing I care the most about as I just got the i7 MBP, so I agree. It might be already fixed via the graphic drivers update.

Number 2 could be fixed if Apple just update to the latest build, they're still using the same build from years ago.

 

[alent1234]

Not even close. There are many, many, many times more PC configurations. I mean real configurations not that number Apple spins with Mac Pro.

for the last 10 years almost every PC has had most components integrated on the motherboard. there are only 3 kinds of graphics cards these days, ATI/nvidia/Intel. and two big sound card makers with creative being a shadow of it's former self.

Mac's are the same way. go back a few years to the Intel move and you have all 3 graphics card makers at some time. sound chips keep changing. the motherboards apple uses keep changing. etc

apple can't even ship the same brand of hard drive in one line of Mac's. and my replacement 3GS iphone has a different wifi chip than my original launch one did

 

[Žalgiris]

for the last 10 years almost every PC has had most components integrated on the motherboard. there are only 3 kinds of graphics cards these days, ATI/nvidia/Intel. and two big sound card makers with creative being a shadow of it's former self.

Mac's are the same way. go back a few years to the Intel move and you have all 3 graphics card makers at some time. sound chips keep changing. the motherboards apple uses keep changing. etc

apple can't even ship the same brand of hard drive in one line of Mac's. and my replacement 3GS iphone has a different wifi chip than my original launch one did

So what? Still there are way more PC supported hardware and that's pretty obvious. Even those ATI and NVIDIA cards come as ASUS/MSI/XFX/Club 3D and so on and so on. Please don't forget Matrox and crap like SIS. Macs don't come with AMD CPUs and where are all those TV and SAT cards, all kinds of controllers you can choose from?

 

[Mattie Num Nums]

Number 3 is definitely coming in 10.6.5, we're already seeing some of the work in a separate graphic drivers update that Apple seeded and has twice been updated.

Number 5 isn't really a fix, but a new feature. Apple did add TRIM/SSD status in the System Profiler starting in 10.6.4. They wouldn't do that if they don't plan to add TRIM support. So it's coming, the question is which update will it be in.

Number 4 is the only thing I care the most about as I just got the i7 MBP, so I agree. It might be already fixed via the graphic drivers update.

Number 2 could be fixed if Apple just update to the latest build, they're still using the same build from years ago.

Yeah #2 bugs me the most because a fix has been out for a very long time now. My i7 iMac is solid as a rock but my i7 Macbook Pro freezes all the time and gets super hot.

 

[jeremyhu]

The solution for X11... is to get the real one. You know, XQuartz, since that's what Apple bases their X11 off of (its really one and the same), only they're always two releases or so behind, and they always gimp a few changes.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for XQuartz, your facts are a bit off. The XQuartz project is not something that "Apple bases their X11 off of" ... X11 from xquartz.macosforge.org and the X11 shipped in Apple's OS are one in the same. I am the one person behind both.

The XQuartz Project was started to give users access to changes in X11 sooner than would be possible by waiting for new OS releases. That has increased the quality of versions shipped in the OS by facilitating user feedback regarding features and bugs.

 

[CaoCao]

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for XQuartz, your facts are a bit off. The XQuartz project is not something that "Apple bases their X11 off of" ... X11 from xquartz.macosforge.org and the X11 shipped in Apple's OS are one in the same. I am the one person behind both.

The XQuartz Project was started to give users access to changes in X11 sooner than would be possible by waiting for new OS releases. That has increased the quality of versions shipped in the OS by facilitating user feedback regarding features and bugs.

Then thank you for your invaluable assistance to the Mac community Sir

 

[macintoshtoffy]

10.6.4 was terrible.

The following things need to be fixed ASAP!

1.) VPN Bugs
2.) SMB time out and slow downs
3.) Graphics Drivers
4.) Freezing on i5/i7 devices
5.) SSD Trim Support (we are an SSD only on portables company)
6.) AD bind tool and DNS.

1) I am unsure since I don't use VPN but what I tend to find is the issue is with the organisation using weird proprietary crap instead of using the open vpn standard. Every person here who seems to complain seems to also be at an organisation running ancient proprietary out of date equipment of very poor quality.
2) Like point one, there is little Apple can do about it; it is chasing after a proprietary protocol that'll always be a couple of steps behind the eighth ball - you're probably better of settling on another technology that can do cross platform support better such as iFolder.
3) and 4) are repeated, they're being solved.
5) TRIM support requires SATA support, which requires a bit of work; hopefully it'll appear 10.6.5 or 10.6.6. Personally I've never found the need for SSD given they're so expensive for the little space they give.
6) Active Directory is a nightmare - and there are very few situations I've actually seen organisations use it to its full potential; with that being said, again it is chasing a proprietary protocol - maybe you're better off choosing technology at your work that actually work cross platform instead of choosing technology first then yelling and screaming at Apple when you don't achieve perfection.

 

[Rocketman]

10.6.4 was terrible.

The following things need to be fixed ASAP!

1.) VPN Bugs
2.) SMB time out and slow downs
3.) Graphics Drivers
4.) Freezing on i5/i7 devices
5.) SSD Trim Support (we are an SSD only on portables company)
6.) AD bind tool and DNS.

OS X.x.x has been out a while. Quite a while. Is there ANY stable build besides 10.4.11? Time for 10.4.12 to recognize new hardware and services? Or better yet, an app for that that does not in any way "fix" (wreck) 10.4.11.

Just asking.

I just think it is phunnie OSX under Firefox hangs on Flash 10.x regularly. A Mac is no longer usable as a result of some Flash distribution. Revenge of the nerds?

Rocketman

 

[name99]

Re: September 1752

Having a working retro calendar is useful for those doing history work, writing historical novels, or researching old astronomical observations.

And not only does iCal get September 1752 wrong, but also all the months before then as well.

I note that even the early 1970s sixteen bit Unixes got the 1752 date right.

I love your assumption that iCal should follow the ENGLISH calendrical scheme. Why not the Venetian scheme (changeover from Julian to Gregorian in 1582?) or the Serbian (changeover in 1918)?

The bottom line is that the relationship between Julian day and "every day name" is a dog's breakfast that requires additional information to be performed like relative to which "nation" you want to perform the conversion. And there is no obvious reason why an app like iCal, which doesn't even have a way to indicate that you are interested in Britain-relative dates rather than Serbian-relative dates, should be required to take on such a specialized responsibility. This is like complaining that the calculator widget in dashboard doesn't support mayan base-60 arithmetic.

 

[riws]

ExFat support, jeah 😎