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Apple Seeds First iOS 9.2 Beta to Developers

So we're gonna have another lot of short release cycle 9.x updates that don't end up really fixing anything because not enough time was put into them?

Fantastic.

I miss the iOS 7 days where Apple put a lot of work into 7.1 which actually needed up speeding up pretty much every device.
 
appledefenceforce said:
Then maybe you should go to the second most valuable company AKA Google. I'm sure they can't do better with their software updates.
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You make a fair point and I partially agree, but the way Apple handles iOS updates is just slightly better than Google. Sure, iOS software updates are far more accessible and readily available upon release. But if the update introduces novel features at the cost of UI fluidity and faster performance, then is it really worthwhile to update at all?

Have you seen speed comparisons between an iPhone 4S running iOS 5 versus an iPhone 4S running iOS 9? The results are staggering. And the conclusion suggests that we should take caution when wanting to update our devices - if we want them to stay fast. An iPhone 4S running the latest supported iOS is incredibly slow and less responsive. Not to mention the undesirably choppy frame rate of system level animations. You can't claim I'm nitpicking insignificant details, because attention to detail is what I would expect from a company who consistently advertises the importance of detail (being measured in 'microns'). After all, it's the obsessive attention to detail and thoughtfulness which motivates me to choose Apple's products over competitors.

Now we all know how much of a "toxic hell stew of malware" Android is so I won't bother going in-depth on that. But here's the thing: with Google's Android smartphones, most of the times you CAN'T update even if you WANT to (due to a myriad of device hardware differences resulting in fragmentation). With Apple's iOS. You CAN update if you WANT to. But because of how updates make the device perform slower, it doesn't mean you SHOULD update (if you want your device to stay fast, which probably everyone wants).

The problem doesn't just affect older hardware. By digging deeper into the problem, you'll realize how poorly optimized iOS has been lately. If you actually did your homework, you'll know a brand new iPhone 6S Plus has iOS lag issues right out of the box! Should something like this even be acceptable for a premium smartphone of 2015?

I'm not arguing that we should ditch Apple and go for the next company in line. I'm saying we shouldn't lower our expectations of top notch products from a corporation who promises quality.
 
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Keirasplace said:
Another over the top "how the word's most valuable company" comment, like it has any bearing on software bugs that may only apply to them. Good grief... I'm so tired of those comments!
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Who are you really helping here by being apologetic for a corporation's flaws in software optimization?

The facts are laid out: put an iPhone 6 running iOS 8 beside an iPhone 6 running iOS 9 and the difference in speed is clear.

It's sad to see how people are being pro-company and not pro-consumer.
 
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oldmacs said:
So we're gonna have another lot of short release cycle 9.x updates that don't end up really fixing anything because not enough time was put into them?

Fantastic.

I miss the iOS 7 days where Apple put a lot of work into 7.1 which actually needed up speeding up pretty much every device.
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And we had to wait for about half a year for that update to come out. So at worst it's not that much different as far as timing goes. Seems like with more updates at least there's more of a chance that more could get fixed earlier.
 
Lexdexia said:
Who are you really helping here by being apologetic for a corporation's flaws in software optimization?

The facts are laid out: put an iPhone 6 running iOS 8 beside an iPhone 6 running iOS 9 and the difference in speed is clear.

It's sad to see how people are being pro-company and not pro-consumer.
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Clear as in for many people it's not that different and the stability improvements and some other things in iOS 9 make it more worthwhile for them compared to a previous iOS update.
 
nothing groundbreaking but iOS 9.2 news when i opened it mentions a new category "News Top Stories" suggesting me to add it to my favorites.
 
C DM said:
And we had to wait for about half a year for that update to come out. So at worst it's not that much different as far as timing goes. Seems like with more updates at least there's more of a chance that more could get fixed earlier.
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None of the iOS 8.x updates (even when put together) brought speed improvements anything like 7.1... Plus Apple was still updating iOS 7 with 7.0.1 etc with bug fixes.

Sometimes its worth waiting for something instead of constant updates that didn't help overly much.
 
oldmacs said:
None of the iOS 8.x updates (even when put together) brought speed improvements anything like 7.1... Plus Apple was still updating iOS 7 with 7.0.1 etc with bug fixes.

Sometimes its worth waiting for something instead of constant updates that didn't help overly much.
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8.2 or 8.3 was certainly quite a bit different in stability, performance, and general bug fixes compared to 8.0. Perhaps not as big of a leap as it was from 7.0 to 7.1, but not too far off if 8.0 is compared to 8.3. That said, while the timing could be one factor, another could be that 7.0 was even worse so that the difffence was felt that much more with 7.1 compared to 8.0 and 8.3 let's say. So, while timing might have been one factor, given all the other variables it's hard to say that it was really the main thing that played a role in it all and that more updates in the same time period would be noticeably worse than less updates.
 
C DM said:
8.2 or 8.3 was certainly quite a bit different in stability, performance, and general bug fixes compared to 8.0. Perhaps not as big of a leap as it was from 7.0 to 7.1, but not too far off if 8.0 is compared to 8.3. That said, while the timing could be one factor, another could be that 7.0 was even worse so that the difffence was felt that much more with 7.1 compared to 8.0 and 8.3 let's say. So, while timing might have been one factor, given all the other variables it's hard to say that it was really the main thing that played a role in it all and that more updates in the same time period would be noticeably worse than less updates.
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I guess its down to individual experiences. iOS 8 never really improved for me. 8.4.1 still has numerous annoying bugs and instabilities etc that iOS 8.0 had. My initial experience of iOS 7.0 was very good on an iPad 2 and iPhone 4 (besides animations on my iPad 2 being annoying), but a little slower - iOS 7.1 however brought things back to iOS 6 standards especially on the iPad 2, where as even on my iPad Mini 2, iOS 8 never reached 7.1.2 standards, and I can't see iOS 9 coming back to iOS 8 in terms of speed.
 
C DM said:
Clear as in for many people it's not that different and the stability improvements and some other things in iOS 9 make it more worthwhile for them compared to a previous iOS update.
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Please, do provide the data to support your claim that many people haven't noticed their iOS devices are slower after upgrading to iOS 9 or later.

The problem is Apple promising 'performance improvements with Metal' in iOS 9 and failing to deliver that promise. I noticed all my iOS 9 devices perform worse than the previous iOS 8.4.1. And I'm probably not the only one.

A small collection data, but the sample is enough to reach a consensus that majority of people felt their device was slower after updating in one way or another.

http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/18/is-your-iphone-slow-ios-9/
 
Lexdexia said:
Please, do provide the data to support your claim that many people haven't noticed their iOS devices are slower after upgrading to iOS 9 or later.

The problem is Apple promising 'performance improvements with Metal' in iOS 9 and failing to deliver that promise. I noticed all my iOS 9 devices perform worse than the previous iOS 8.4.1. And I'm probably not the only one.

A small collection data, but the sample is enough to reach a consensus that majority of people felt their device was slower after updating in one way or another.

http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/18/is-your-iphone-slow-ios-9/
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Read over one of a number of different threads (some of which are still going on for pages and pages) about iOS 9 in the iOS 9 forum.

Even that particular poll (which is biased in the sense that it basically represents mostly people who visit tech forums and sites and would actually vote on polls there -- which is a ways off from the majority of typical iOS users) shows that there are more than 9000 users that don't see their device as being slower. That's certainly a fairly large number of people even if comparatively it's not the majority (and aging we are taking about a small subgroup overall that doesn't really represent the majority of typical iOS users).
 
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to this day iOS 7.1.2 has been the absolute best iOS in terms of stability and lag free since iOS 6. Little things such as Control Center being absolutely smooth on the lock screen to just the animations and transitions throughout the OS were fantastic. I know many won't care or pay attention to these small nuisances but to someone like me who is constantly on the look our for the next beta or next update, it is big time noticeable.
 
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Keirasplace said:
You're assuming their don't have a responsive design that just adjusts to the screen size. In that case, there is no desktop site to switch too.
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No actually on most sites I can switch to desktop site by scrolling down and tapping on desktop site I'm not assuming anything you are :)
 
C DM said:
Read over one of a number of different threads (some of which are still going on for pages and pages) about iOS 9 in the iOS 9 forum.

Even that particular poll (which is biased in the sense that it basically represents mostly people who visit tech forums and sites and would actually vote on polls there -- which is a ways off from the majority of typical iOS users) shows that there are more than 9000 users that don't see their device as being slower. That's certainly a fairly large number of people even if comparatively it's not the majority (and aging we are taking about a small subgroup overall that doesn't really represent the majority of typical iOS users).
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How many of those 70% on that poll that voted that their device was slower went searching on google for " iOS 9 and slow device " after they began having issues ? And came across that article and poll?

22000 say it's slower , 5000 say same, and 4100 say faster.

Spin it how you like. May not be scientific or accurate, but poor numbers for an iOS that was supposed to bring performance improvements.
 
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agsystems said:
Really you are saying you were able to from downgrade 9.2 to 8.4x?

Only 9.02 and 9.1 are currently being signed
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I'm still on iOS 8. But my iPhone automatically downloads each update once when I'm on wifi without any interaction from me. So I go into usage and delete the update showing in settings.
 
Act3 said:
How many of those 70% on that poll that voted that their device was slower went searching on google for " iOS 9 and slow device " after they began having issues ? And came across that article and poll?

22000 say it's slower , 5000 say same, and 4100 say faster.

Spin it how you like. May not be scientific or accurate, but poor numbers for an iOS that was supposed to bring performance improvements.
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No one said anything about it being good or bad. Just that there are many people who don't consider there being issues, and that's out of a lesser representative group of people who are generally more picky.
 
TC03 said:
True, but do you think the thread would have existed if Apple actually delivered what they promised? I never saw a 40+ page thread about iOS 8.4.1 performance issues.
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Yeah but there where a billion when 7 or 8 were released. Comparing a 1 month old firmware to a firmware that took 10-11 months to release makes no sense.
You think there will be threads about iOS 9 just before iOS 10 is released?

You guys have such short term memory. iOS 9 is not perfect but it is still the best .0 release in years and that includes the "beloved" iOS 6.
 
bchreng said:
How is it a terribly optimized OS? I thought Apple put in a lot of effort optimizing it for the 6+.
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Because since iOS 7 the OS has weird quirks and stutter that never happened prior to the redesign.
2 years later and it's still not what it used to be, with some versions it's better, sometimes it's worse.
There should be absolutely zero reasons that spotlight lags like it does since iOS 7. Now with 9 it's even worse. It screams unoptimized.
I think developers at Apple actually know this because there was this big article where it was said that the OS team asked Tim Cook to primarily focuse on bug fixes and performance with 9. However Tim Cook did not just want that, he also wanted features. That's properly why there was a compromise and iOS 9 is not quite as good as it should be.
Also metal on iOS 9 seems to have made hardly any improvements in this regard, whereas on OS X El Capitan the difference is night and day.

Maybe all this gets better when Apple is rewritting their apps and OS in swift, which is apparently meant to happen next year.
 
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