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Apple Seeds First Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9d10) Version

diamond.g said:
What problem are you having? My win2k3 server plays just fine with my Macs.
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The issue is with network shares. The Mac can connect to the shares just fine, and reading information is no problem. Writing back to those network shares is Russian Roulette, however. It may work a dozen times in a row, but that thirteen time things hang up, a -36 error eventually pops up, and the share is lost. Only a reboot of the server itself will fix things.

Nasty bug.

For anyone else who's interested, you can find much more about the problem, and the woes of the many who are suffering from it, at http://www.macwindows.com
 
kaiwai said:
The mythical man month theory is only related to adding more people to an existing project to speed things up; what I'm sure he is talking about is having a dedicated team which is separate and dedicated to bug and security fixing. Not a new team to speed something up but a new team to relieve the burden off a group of coders so that they can go back to working on on specific. In other words, having specialised groups rather than expecting a programmer to be everything to everyone in every product development.
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That sounds like a good idea actually, it'll make sure the code is commented properly too :p.
 
The Airport issue is probably one of the biggest ones for me. I can live without the Disk permissions repair (anyone know if Repair Disk in Disk Utility works when using the Leopard DVD?), but losing the signal in such close proximity to my G router is ludicrous. It's a good thing that it doesn't lose connectivity through the ethernet though. THAT would be murder, but I remember enjoying a very fast WiFi connection in my apartment with my generation 1 Macbook without ever losing a signal. The dropouts are not as frequent as they used to be with the first write of Leopard, but they still happen often enough to be a concern.

Also, I've pretty much abandoned the animated grid view of Stacks. After the graphics update, the choppiness killed whatever visual flair this had, and it turns out that list view is more practical anyway. (it opens folders like a Start Menu, whereas grid view requires you to open finder to view folder contents). I don't particularly care if they ever bring back a proper animated stack, since I'm hooked on list, but it's little niggles like this that kill the pizazz of the interface.

Also, please Apple, fix the sleep delays. When I first got my Macbook, it would snap to sleep and snap awake when prompted. This may be a fault of the more elaborate software, but part of the thing that made me love this system was how snappy it was to do things like hibernate, shut down and restart, compared to any XP and pre-XP system I've owned. My macbook used to restart into full desktop in under 30 seconds. It can sometimes take almost a minute when it hangs on that blue blank display (I found the lack of a load up bar and logo jarring the first time).

After growing fond of Leopard's core features and interface, I couldn't go back to Tiger, and thankfully a lot of these issues are generally forgivable for regular use, but I wonder how long until they finally see the end of my patience.
 
chameleon said:
The issue is with network shares. The Mac can connect to the shares just fine, and reading information is no problem. Writing back to those network shares is Russian Roulette, however. It may work a dozen times in a row, but that thirteen time things hang up, a -36 error eventually pops up, and the share is lost. Only a reboot of the server itself will fix things.

Nasty bug.

For anyone else who's interested, you can find much more about the problem, and the woes of the many who are suffering from it, at http://www.macwindows.com
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Hmm, after poking around on the site, it is making me wonder how my Win2k3 server is able to work with no problems. I have file sharing turned on on both Macbooks and they both can see the server just fine. I really wonder what other settings could be affecting the issue.
 
I hope they fix the FrontRow album art issue when streaming from other Macs. Other than that a bit of stability issues (can't really point my finger and any thing specific - but apps do occasionally crash for no apparent reason.

Memory leaks also still seems to be an issue - particularly in Safari - or is it just me?
 
Maccus Aurelius said:
Also, please Apple, fix the sleep delays. When I first got my Macbook, it would snap to sleep and snap awake when prompted. This may be a fault of the more elaborate software, but part of the thing that made me love this system was how snappy it was to do things like hibernate, shut down and restart, compared to any XP and pre-XP system I've owned. My macbook used to restart into full desktop in under 30 seconds. It can sometimes take almost a minute when it hangs on that blue blank display (I found the lack of a load up bar and logo jarring the first time).
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Maybe this could help you, at least this worked for me. :apple:

http://www.windley.com/archives/2007/10/fixing_macbook_pro_sleep_problems.shtml
 
Just a few thoughts.

One: How do you know it's always Apple's fault and not the apps? I've seen app names in this post that I've never heard of--do you really think these off-label programs are adequately researched for compatibility with the operating system? You know they're not.

Two: Get rid of junk apps and 99% of your problems go with them--and this includes MS Word (altho I love Excel and would keep that regardless).

Three: Have you actually notified Apple of your problems, instead of just bitching here? They really DO NOT monitor forums looking for tips on product development or software bugs.
 
farmboy said:
Two: Get rid of junk apps and 99% of your problems go with them--and this includes MS Word (altho I love Excel and would keep that regardless).
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Word has always been a problematic app for some, but I have used it for years without a major problem. To call it "junk" seems harsh. What app do you use for word processing?
 
i'm still hoping we might see the return of the wonderful finder column view media preview controls that existed through tiger but were lamely wiped out in leopard. i miss those all the time.
 
farmboy said:
One: How do you know it's always Apple's fault and not the apps? I've seen app names in this post that I've never heard of--do you really think these off-label programs are adequately researched for compatibility with the operating system? You know they're not.

Two: Get rid of junk apps and 99% of your problems go with them--and this includes MS Word (altho I love Excel and would keep that regardless).

Three: Have you actually notified Apple of your problems, instead of just bitching here? They really DO NOT monitor forums looking for tips on product development or software bugs.
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One: That's a typical fanboy response, "I don't have this problem, so it has to be something you use".

Two: Word is not Junk, I have no idea where you came up with that from.

Three: Of course they monitor forums. They know places like this are a great way to get data about their products - especially problems. They aren't gonna post on here, but there definitely aware of 99% of the issues people are posting about.
 
ckurowic said:
BTW, Leopard sucks on PPC's, get an Intel Mac.
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I run Leopard on my PowerMac G4 and I'm quite happy with it. I have no need for an Intel Mac, and since Apple seems to have gone out of the business of making mid-range desktops, I have no desire for one. And my G4s run Classic (unfortunately not under Leopard :mad:), so an Intel system would be a step backward for me.
 
megfilmworks said:
I wouldn't install Leopard on my dual g5 either. It wasn't designed for dual g5s. Try installing it on a computer that is not so old. It runs great on my Intel macs.
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Pardon me, but what do you base that on? Every report that I have seen indicates that performance of Leopard on G5 and G4 systems is comparable to Tiger (even G4s that don't meet the 867 MHz installation threshold). And I for one can report that on my G4 PowerMac, that is indeed the case.
 
Here, let me help. Just fill out this form.

I hope they fix _____ (enter personal annoyance nobody else cares about)

And maybe this will finally ______ (enter ridiculous new feature idea)

Because I really hate how ______ is still broken (enter problem you caused by creative "hacking")
 
robogobo said:
Here, let me help. Just fill out this form.

I hope they fix _____ (enter personal annoyance nobody else cares about)

And maybe this will finally ______ (enter ridiculous new feature idea)

Because I really hate how ______ is still broken (enter problem you caused by creative "hacking")
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hah hah... well said, if a bit more cantankerous than necessary. :p
 
Eraserhead said:
That sounds like a good idea actually, it'll make sure the code is commented properly too :p.
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When I was taught how to programme, our teacher was a code quality nazi. If you didn't comment, indent or lay out your code in a clean readable way - it didn't matter a damn if it worked; she would give you a giant F. If you couldn't provide the necessary documentation, from design to pseudo code to implementation with comments, clean coding and lay out, a giant F.

Yes, she was a bitch mistress from hell, but I can assure you, if more programmers had her as their teachers there wouldn't be the same problems we see today with crummy code and crummy programmers.
 
sleepingworker said:
Word has always been a problematic app for some, but I have used it for years without a major problem. To call it "junk" seems harsh. What app do you use for word processing?
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Well, I'm sitting here using Office 2008 without any problems. Sure, the performance isn't great, but that this is Microsoft's first Intel release, and there are performance improvements in the up coming service pack. With that being said, one has to ask how many of these issues are also related to Mac OS X - such as the memory leak in Core Animation (for example).

With that beign said, I do think that Apple need to get their **** together and fix up the bugs in their AppKit; just a brief look through bugzilla and bugtrackers for opensource projects show the number of projects that are held up (or crappy stability) due to bugs in Apple's frameworks.
 
kaiwai said:
Well, I'm sitting here using Office 2008 without any problems. Sure, the performance isn't great, but that this is Microsoft's first Intel release, and there are performance improvements in the up coming service pack. With that being said, one has to ask how many of these issues are also related to Mac OS X - such as the memory leak in Core Animation (for example).

With that beign said, I do think that Apple need to get their **** together and fix up the bugs in their AppKit; just a brief look through bugzilla and bugtrackers for opensource projects show the number of projects that are held up (or crappy stability) due to bugs in Apple's frameworks.
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I use Office 2004 (on 10.4.11) and despite the costs I look forward to owning an intel MAC and upgrading all my programs including Office.

My profession is the farthest thing away from being a programmer and so I was completely unaware of the issues of Apple's buggy development kit until your post. However, I was under the impression that MS and Apple worked very closely in producing Office. I could be very wrong though.
 
Would love it if they fixed the wonky battery thing that I've been reading about everywhere.
 
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