Apple Seeds First Mac OS X 10.5.3 (9d10) Version

[kaiwai]

#1 fix better be these absurb MBP wi-fi drop outs.I cannot stay connected long enough to do anything of use.Before the Mac apologists get in a bundle, yes drivers are up to date(10.5.2), all settings tried, Airport Extreme(g) router, no luck whatsoever.

A 1st gen Macbook does not exhibit these issues whatsoever!!!

I am so pi$$ed at Apples failure to communicate or even respond to my e-mails that I have sent regarding this.Apple is crapple in my book.

Just out or curiosity; the Macbook you have; is it the Santa Rosa model? because they changed the chipset from Atheros to Broadcom - maybe that is the issue since in the past I had nothing but trouble with that chipset - on a pc laptop I had running Windows. Intel/Atheros rock solid, Broadcom is a road of pain.

 

[Eraserhead]

Has anyone else noticed a glitch when you minimize the DVD viewer? Whenever I minimize the viewer a space appears in the dock where the viewer should be, but nothing is there. When I mouse over that spot it says "viewer" and I can click on it to un-minimize it, so there's no lost functionality... it's just annoying. I hope they fix it.

EDIT: It did this before I hacked the dock to be 2D.

I think this is probably a copyright thing, previously you couldn't screenshot when DVD Player was playing (or in the dock) this is a better solution.

 

[paja]

Joke of the industry

Apple is the joke of the industry these days. Fix the bleeping security holes in Safari, Quicktime and Leopard. Apple has 10 billion in the bank you'd think they could hire a few more programmers. Just do it you bleeping ******* at Apple.

 

[kaiwai]

The application I use is Maxon Cinema 4D. The problem is that I need more than 4 GB for some architecture visualisations. But it crashes when I reach the magical 4GB mark. Maxon says it is a problem of Leopard because it doesn´t support Applications with more than 4 GB.

Ever thought that the application company you refer to is lying about that 4gb issue? The fact that they don't want to actually spend some hard dosh on fixing the legacy code riddled pos which they sell at obscene prices? The fact there is 64bit capability in leopard but they choose not to use it! The issue is with them, not apple.

 

[kaiwai]

Apple is the joke of the industry these days. Fix the bleeping security holes in Safari, Quicktime and Leopard. Apple has 10 billion in the bank you'd think they could hire a few more programmers. Just do it you bleeping ******* at Apple.

Most being memory related, easily solved by using garbage collector in objective-c 2.0

 

[Tosser]

Apple is the joke of the industry these days. Fix the bleeping security holes in Safari, Quicktime and Leopard. Apple has 10 billion in the bank you'd think they could hire a few more programmers. Just do it you bleeping ******* at Apple.

Not that it'd make it any better, but aren't we talking 18 billion dollars, not "merely" ten?

Ever thought that the application company you refer to is lying about that 4gb issue? The fact that they don't want to actually spend some hard dosh on fixing the legacy code riddled pos which they sell at obscene prices? The fact there is 64bit capability in leopard but they choose not to use it! The issue is with them, not apple.

Usually, I think "fanboy" when I read posts where people blame anyone else but Apple. But, you do have a point.
I'm reminded of Sonosax (a Swiss audio hardware company) who cannot get USB mass storage to work on Intel-macs, all the while blaming Apple. Utterly ridiculous, since all of Sonosax competitors and cheap taiwanese products can get it working.

This is from Sonosax' website, Sonosax.ch (and hasn't been updated since Leopard came out –*Sonosax is slow like that):

WARNING !! USB 2 issue on MacBook and MacBook Pro
A bug was discovered on MacBook and MacBook Pro running with MacOS 10.4.9 that prevents the MINIR82 or the Internal Recorder of the SONOSAX SX-ST mixer to mount onto the computer Desktop
After days of analysis, SONOSAX engineers can confirm that the DSP/USB2 board and the software of both
the MINIR82 and the SX-ST internal Recorder are fine.
This issue appears only on Apple computers equipped with an Intel dual core or Intel Xeon processor and running with Mac OS 10.4.9
The system works fine with Apple-G4, Apple-G5 or other series when not equipped with an Intel Dual core or Xeon Processor, even if running with Mac OS 10.4.9
A temporary solution for MacBook or MacBook Pro users is to lauch a Windows session or to boot the MacBook's (bootcamp ) with a Windows or Linux session to connect your MINIR82 and transfert your audio files to your computer.
Once transfered you can use and edit your recorded files under a MacOS session with your prefered Editing Software as usual.

Excellent work-arounds, isn't it? It's even worse than Nagra Audio, who officially say that the Ares PII+ cannot be improved. And when asked "what do you mean, it cannot be improved?" and are pointed to the fact, that it uses PCMCIA-card with an adaptor in order to use CF-cards, it uses five NIMH AA batteries (why not a lithium pack?), you have to shut down the recorder and unplug the battery pack to swap the CF-card, it takes 14 hours to charge the NIMH pack from zero, and that although it can save to either 16bit or 24bit files, the A/D converter is a 20bit one (should be 24-bit by this day and age), all they have to say is "Well, noone want's those things"!

My point is, some companies should just be erased from the shopping list, that's the only bloody way they'll learn.

/rant

 

[Eraserhead]

Apple is the joke of the industry these days.

Of course Apple does need to improve the security of their products, but they aren't that bad.

Apple has 10 billion in the bank you'd think they could hire a few more programmers. Just do it you bleeping ******* at Apple.

The other problem is that it really isn't that simple, read the mythical man month for why.

 

[Elijahg]

They also need to fix the lag caused when having the wallpaper changer on.

This seems to be a Nvidea driver issue, I don't get any problem on my Mac Pro with an ATI card.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6930345
Some talk about driver issues there.

 

[stenosis.kill]

Lazy cat.
10.5.2 made my network more stable but it's still far away from solid.
Tiger, xp, vista and even ubuntu works like charm on the wifi level here on the same system (MBP) .. only leopard likes to drop the airport connection over and over again and at least very often when i'm moving files via the network or playing games over it.
It's hard to believe that apple hasnt faced this problem yet.. hire some more developers.

It also seems like the first 10.6 builds were compiled.
http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/launchd/changeset/23572
Since the builds of leopard started with 9a*** this is should be 10.6

 

[diamond.g]

The big issue for me is the networking problems.

Leopard does not play well with network shares on Windows servers. This is a show stopper for anyone in a corporate network.

If this isn't fixed in this release, I think I might scream...

What problem are you having? My win2k3 server plays just fine with my Macs.

 

[50548]

Apple is the joke of the industry these days. Fix the bleeping security holes in Safari, Quicktime and Leopard. Apple has 10 billion in the bank you'd think they could hire a few more programmers. Just do it you bleeping ******* at Apple.

And you must be the joke of the trolls these days as well; Apple has BY FAR the highest customer satisfaction and reliability ratings of all companies. And Leopard runs like a charm for me and many millions of other Mac users. The 20 billion Apple has are just a great cushion against the ridiculously bad state of U.S. economy right now, and they are wise to keep that money in the bank.

As for security problems, I am still waiting for ONE spyware/malware/real virus in the wild...so far I've seen academic attempts and little else...besides, everyone I know (including long-time PC users) bashes Vista in every moment they can.

Instead of trolling and making generic assumptions that mean little more than nothing, try to understand that the power users posting negative messages on MR do NOT represent the vast majority of satisfied customers out there...in other words, this is Olsen's Theorem in place...

 

[Tosser]

Instead of trolling and making generic assumptions that mean little more than nothing, try to understand that the power users posting negative messages on MR do NOT represent the vast majority of satisfied customers out there...in other words, this is Olsen's Theorem in place...

Hmm, it's the exact same in reverse. In fact, I'll venture that the opinion of the fanboys on a mac-forum is farther from the opinion of the average consumer than anything else

 

[randomrazor]

I for one have had numerous problems with my SR mac book pro with leopard. From day one, Keyboard, disk permissions, waking backup, just to name a few. I haven't had the problem with the wifi at all. Tiger was awesome and I understand that there must be growing pains to make things better... it is just natures law.
When reading theses post you have to understand that for every complaint against leopard there are 100 people out there with the same problem or complaint, but for every good comment said on this post there are a 1000 content people out there.
There is always going to be some tweaks that need to be done to leopard. Some peoples request for leopard is a joke tho, ie the small adjustments on the keyboard light, is that really an issue or necessary? I for one can't see much difference in each increment.
I am a bit frustrated with waking my pro back up... who likes to restart for something like waking up your computer?

 

[Mal]

The application I use is Maxon Cinema 4D. The problem is that I need more than 4 GB for some architecture visualisations. But it crashes when I reach the magical 4GB mark. Maxon says it is a problem of Leopard because it doesn´t support Applications with more than 4 GB.

Leopard does support more than 4GB of RAM per application: 64-bit, remember? As mentioned, Maxon Cinema 4D's creators are either being incompetent or lazy and are blaming Apple when they should be fixing the problem in their own app.

jW

 

[cms2]

I think this is probably a copyright thing, previously you couldn't screenshot when DVD Player was playing (or in the dock) this is a better solution.

I seriously doubt this is intentional. But if it is it's a silly solution; if they were concerned with a copyright issue Apple could still have come up with a generic icon for the dock rather than just a space. Furthermore, grab still doesn't work if a dvd is playing even if minimized; to take the shot I did for this thread I had to select "cancel" on the playback options so only the application was running. it didn't do this in 10.5.1; it started the day I installed 10.5.2. Like I said, it's not that big a deal, but it needs to be fixed.

 

[badlydrawnboy]

Add me to the list of people desperately hoping for an Airport solution. It bothers me that this wasn't even mentioned in the list of 10.5.3 fixes & improvements.

So my question is: when can we expect to see 10.5.3? How long from first seed to final release is it usually?

 

[72930]

Add me to the list of people desperately hoping for an Airport solution. It bothers me that this wasn't even mentioned in the list of 10.5.3 fixes & improvements.

So my question is: when can we expect to see 10.5.3? How long from first seed to final release is it usually?

This was asked before, and it will probably come in about 6 weeks if previous evidence is anything to go by.

 

[cbrain]

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I'm looking forward to this update, installing updates is something I really quite enjoy! :-D

 

[cms2]

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I'm looking forward to this update, installing updates is something I really quite enjoy! :-D

Ok... you may have been being sarcastic, but I really do enjoy installing updates. So much anticipation... like mini-christmas. But then I've only had a Mac a few months so I haven't really gotten to do that many.

 

[kellah]

My two requests for 10.5.3 that I think are reasonable:

• Option+Shift+Brightness keys to provide small adjustments, like with volume
• An option for the Finder sidebar to show larger text, like in iTunes and Mail

I never knew this about changing the volume. That's sweet!

 

[badlydrawnboy]

I never knew this about changing the volume. That's sweet!

Yeah, that's awesome. Thanks!

 

[NoMoreIloveYous]

Talking about versions, I forgot to say that after applying the "Time Machine and AirPort Updates v1.0" of March 19th my Leopard 10.5.2 build is now 9C7010 instead of 9C31.
Nobody noticed that?
LoL!

 

[kaiwai]

Of course Apple does need to improve the security of their products, but they aren't that bad.



The other problem is that it really isn't that simple, read the mythical man month for why.

The mythical man month theory is only related to adding more people to an existing project to speed things up; what I'm sure he is talking about is having a dedicated team which is separate and dedicated to bug and security fixing. Not a new team to speed something up but a new team to relieve the burden off a group of coders so that they can go back to working on on specific. In other words, having specialised groups rather than expecting a programmer to be everything to everyone in every product development.

 

[kaiwai]

Usually, I think "fanboy" when I read posts where people blame anyone else but Apple. But, you do have a point.
I'm reminded of Sonosax (a Swiss audio hardware company) who cannot get USB mass storage to work on Intel-macs, all the while blaming Apple. Utterly ridiculous, since all of Sonosax competitors and cheap taiwanese products can get it working.

Well, my ******** detector went off in regards to the 4gig matter when I realised that Leopard might have dropped Carbon 64bit, but there is still 64bit capabilities in there. When ever I hear programmers complain about a certain feature lacking in Mac OS X, I am very sceptical about it given that on paper (at the developer site), the issue has been addressed.

The company could update their software to Cocoa, they could invest some real money, but they would rather own private jets, paper their management rather than deliver value for their shareholders and value to their customers.

 

[cms2]

In other words, having specialised groups rather than expecting a programmer to be everything to everyone in every product development.

Hogwash! I think three or four developers, fed scant provisions and forced to work in 18-20 hour shifts while a red light is shined in their eyes and growling attack dogs keep them in line should do the trick nicely. Then they could offer a 10 USD price-cut for 10.6 "Korat"